Strongest of hell

[Ichiro]

[AXJ]

Thanatos

[Coil]

2 hours ago, Ichiro said:

who is stongest of hell ? Is it satan or asmodeous or other

 

 

On our planet is one of the offspring of Satan (and he apparently somewhere in space supposedly on the red giant Antares has an effect on many different planets)

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Gagtungr. The name of the planetary demon of our planet. He is three persons in one, like certain other beings among the uppermost hierarchies. The first hypostasis of Gagtungr is Gisturg, the Great Torturer; the second is Fokerma, the Great Harlot; and the third is Urparp, the great implementer of the demonic plan, who is sometimes called the Principle of Form.

http://rozamira.org/rm/archive/The_Rose_of_the_World_{books_1-6}.rar

Maybe this is his image:

 

Asmodeus is described as one of the four main demons close to Lucifer.

 

[Alchopwn]

The answer to this question really depends upon which era and which author you believe.

For example, the Lollard poet John Taylor described Lucifer and Satan as being different entities, whereas they are often described as being different names for the same devil elsewhere.

The general consensus is that Beelzebub is No. 2. and sometimes No. 1.

Lucifer/Satan is normally No. 1.

The Dictionairre Infernal of de Plancy places Beelzebub as the present head of Hell, with Satan in opposition.

La Vey's Satanic Bible again separates Lucifer and Satan, and place Lucifer as No. 1.

The simple answer is that nobody knows for sure.

[Piney]

49 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Lucifer/Satan is normally No. 1.

Lucifer was a Latin Vulgate "hiccup" which the King James translators ran with. The term was actually describing the mortal king of Babylon. 

[Imaginarynumber1]

28 minutes ago, Piney said:

Lucifer was a Latin Vulgate "hiccup" which the King James translators ran with. The term was actually describing the mortal king of Babylon. 

It makes me so angry that people don't know this. Along with Satan not being a name, but rather a job title given to a chosen angel to act as "the adversary" and do the abrahamic gods bidding.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Imaginarynumber1

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

It makes me so angry that people don't know this. Along with Satan not being a name, but rather a job title given to a chosen angel to act as "the adversary" and do the abrahamic gods bidding.

Samael was his actual name and he was a Archangel and a member of God's court prior to Zoroastrian influence on Christianity. 

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

It makes me so angry that people don't know this.

Actually many Fundies insist the King James is the only true Bible and "fake Christians" are trying to "remove Satan" from the "prophecies"

[Imaginarynumber1]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

Samael was his actual name and he was a Archangel and a member of God's court prior to Zoroastrian influence on Christianity. 

That's all mythology added (stolen) later. Originally "satan" was just a generic noun meaning "accuser". Ha-satan being "the Satan", still mhowever, just an agent of god an nothing like the later ideas of Satan,

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

That's all mythology added (stolen) later. Originally "satan" was just a generic noun meaning "accuser". Ha-satan being "the Satan", still mhowever, just an agent of god an nothing like the later ideas of Satan,

In Rabbinical writings and Job he was called Samael and he was a "satan" for God and a member of his court. You mistook what I wrote.

The Zoroastrian convert who rewrote Matthew turned him into "Satan" and God's "adversary". 

 

[Imaginarynumber1]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

In Rabbinical writings and Job he was called Samael and he was a "satan" for God and a member of his court. You mistook what I wrote.

The Zoroastrian convert who rewrote Matthew turned him into "Satan" and God's "adversary". 

 

I did misread. It's all desert fairy tales, anyway, though, so it's not like any of it matters.

[Eldorado]

Am wondering if Samael/Satan had a mother-in-law.

[Minimalists]

5 hours ago, AXJ said:

Thanatos

He has nothing to do with Hell..Thanatos was a Greek personification of Death..It's where we get the term thanatology...Which is the scientific study of death.Much like like the archangel of death in the Bible Michael....Most every culture has a personification of death...In Mexico it's Santa Muerte ....The Islamic archangel of death is known as Azrael which is a Hebrew derivation...It is said that when Michael, Gabriel and Israfel failed to provide the 7 handfuls of earth for the creation of Adam Azrael succeeded where they failed.

 http://www.westgatenecromantic.com/historical.html

[Minimalists]

25 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Am wondering if Samael/Satan had a mother-in-law.

Samael was also an angel of death in Jewish folklore.

[Piney]

7 minutes ago, Alien Origins said:

Samael was also an angel of death in Jewish folklore.

Angel of a "bad" death. Gabriel was the Angel of a nice quiet "death". 

[+DieChecker]

First we'd need to figure out what is meant by Hell. The Bible originally doesn't use the word Hell. It used Hades (for the Greek followers), Gehenna (again Greek), Tartorus, and Sheol (for the Jews).

Hades/Sheol being a waiting place. Gehenna being the Fire that the evil are thrown into. These are the two most common versions. "Hell", in popular culture now being a mix of both. With it being a eternal punishment place of fire. 

Then we have to ask who is in Hell? Many say Satan/Enemy isn't in Hell but is here, on Earth, running around. The idea there are fallen angels, or demons, in Hell isn't necessarily found in The Bible. At least not till after the Last Judgement, when all the bad guys get thrown into the Fire (Gehenna?).

Somewhat all that above is determined by the Tradition of the various denominations. I believe the Book of Enoch goes into some length on the various demons and their hierarchy.

Generally I'd consider Lucifer, who is aka Satan, aka The Enemy, is the greatest of the Fallen. Though I, myself, believe these guys could not operate without the tacit approval of God. So that would make God the baddest dude in Hell.

[+DieChecker]

On a comedic angle...

I'd say who is the strongest in Hell depends on which version of Dungeons and Dragons you are playing.

Or, on which comic book universe you are following.... DC, or Marvel? Dark Horse?

[Minimalists]

 "Hell" is a mythological construct created by specific religions to scare their followers onto a specific path....Such as Christianity with it's "turn or burn" philosophy.

[+DieChecker]

5 minutes ago, Alien Origins said:

 "Hell" is a mythological construct created by specific religions to scare their followers onto a specific path....Such as Christianity with it's "turn or burn" philosophy.

A more deep understanding of Christ's teachings means it is more complex then that.... but the short version is you are correct. Hell is supposed to scare people so they don't waver. It is the end of the line punishment we'd all like to avoid.

[Robotic Jew]

4 hours ago, Coil said:

 

 

On our planet is one of the offspring of Satan (and he apparently somewhere in space supposedly on the red giant Antares has an effect on many different planets)

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Gagtungr. The name of the planetary demon of our planet. He is three persons in one, like certain other beings among the uppermost hierarchies. The first hypostasis of Gagtungr is Gisturg, the Great Torturer; the second is Fokerma, the Great Harlot; and the third is Urparp, the great implementer of the demonic plan, who is sometimes called the Principle of Form.

http://rozamira.org/rm/archive/The_Rose_of_the_World_{books_1-6}.rar

Maybe this is his image:

 

Asmodeus is described as one of the four main demons close to Lucifer.

 

[+Pettytalk]

Hell is just a term for a prison. And satan, or devil, or whatever term we want to use, is just another definition for the prison's warden. Prison is the place where one loses most of our free will for breaking the law. A place for doing "time" as sentenced for the specific violation(s). The concept of hell and satan is pretty straightforward, when we see the image of it in our own man-made laws and institutions for those that break the laws. But I'm rather convinced that we are all in hell already, serving time. And as I have heard, some have light sentences to bear, while others serve lifetime sentences. Then, unfortunately, we also have a few cases where the prisoners have been deemed incorrigible, or the nature of their crimes so heinous as to warrant the death penalty. This I assume is probably the definition of the second death in the Christian texts.

Therefore, Satan is the head of the prison house, and his demons (fiery creatures) are the prison guards. And this it is a rather obvious conclusion to anyone who is able to make comparisons, uneducated or otherwise..

And this is the source from which I'm forming my opinion as to the comparisons, which is from Plato's Republic.

Well, I said, I will tell you a tale; not one of the tales which Odysseus tells to the hero Alcinous, yet this too is a tale of a hero, Er the son of Armenius, a Pamphylian by birth. He was slain in battle, and ten days afterwards, when the bodies of the dead were taken up already in a state of corruption, his body was found unaffected by decay, and carried away home to be buried. And on the twelfth day, as he was lying on the funeral pile, he returned to life and told them what he had seen in the other world. He said that when his soul left the body he went on a journey with a great company, and that they came to a mysterious place at which there were two openings in the earth; they were near together, and over against them were two other openings in the heaven above. In the intermediate space there were judges seated, who commanded the just, after they had given judgment on them and had bound their sentences in front of them, to ascend by the heavenly way on the right hand; and in like manner the unjust were bidden by them to descend by the lower way on the left hand; these also bore the symbols of their deeds, but fastened on their backs. He drew near, and they told him that he was to be the messenger who would carry the report of the other world to men, and they bade him hear and see all that was to be heard and seen in that place. Then he beheld and saw on one side the souls departing at either opening of heaven and earth when sentence had been given on them; and at the two other openings other souls, some ascending out of the earth dusty and worn with travel, some descending out of heaven clean and bright. And arriving ever and anon they seemed to have come from a long journey, and they went forth with gladness into the meadow, where they encamped as at a festival; and those who knew one another embraced and conversed, the souls which came from earth curiously enquiring about the things above, and the souls which came from heaven about the things beneath. And they told one another of what had happened by the way, those from below weeping and sorrowing at the remembrance of the things which they had endured and seen in their journey beneath the earth (now the journey lasted a thousand years), while those from above were describing heavenly delights and visions of inconceivable beauty. The Story, Glaucon, would take too long to tell; but the sum was this: --He said that for every wrong which they had done to any one they suffered tenfold; or once in a hundred years --such being reckoned to be the length of man's life, and the penalty being thus paid ten times in a thousand years. If, for example, there were any who had been the cause of many deaths, or had betrayed or enslaved cities or armies, or been guilty of any other evil behaviour, for each and all of their offences they received punishment ten times over, and the rewards of beneficence and justice and holiness were in the same proportion. I need hardly repeat what he said concerning young children dying almost as soon as they were born. Of piety and impiety to gods and parents, and of murderers, there were retributions other and greater far which he described. He mentioned that he was present when one of the spirits asked another, 'Where is Ardiaeus the Great?' (Now this Ardiaeus lived a thousand years before the time of Er: he had been the tyrant of some city of Pamphylia, and had murdered his aged father and his elder brother, and was said to have committed many other abominable crimes.) The answer of the other spirit was: 'He comes not hither and will never come. And this,' said he, 'was one of the dreadful sights which we ourselves witnessed. We were at the mouth of the cavern, and, having completed all our experiences, were about to reascend, when of a sudden Ardiaeus appeared and several others, most of whom were tyrants; and there were also besides the tyrants private individuals who had been great criminals: they were just, as they fancied, about to return into the upper world, but the mouth, instead of admitting them, gave a roar, whenever any of these incurable sinners or some one who had not been sufficiently punished tried to ascend; and then wild men of fiery aspect, who were standing by and heard the sound, seized and carried them off; and Ardiaeus and others they bound head and foot and hand, and threw them down and flayed them with scourges, and dragged them along the road at the side, carding them on thorns like wool, and declaring to the passers-by what were their crimes, and that they were being taken away to be cast into hell.' And of all the many terrors which they had endured, he said that there was none like the terror which each of them felt at that moment, lest they should hear the voice; and when there was silence, one by one they ascended with exceeding joy. These, said Er, were the penalties and retributions, and there were blessings as great.

 

[Minimalists]

4 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

The answer to this question really depends upon which era and which author you believe.

For example, the Lollard poet John Taylor described Lucifer and Satan as being different entities, whereas they are often described as being different names for the same devil elsewhere.

The general consensus is that Beelzebub is No. 2. and sometimes No. 1.

Lucifer/Satan is normally No. 1.

The Dictionairre Infernal of de Plancy places Beelzebub as the present head of Hell, with Satan in opposition.

La Vey's Satanic Bible again separates Lucifer and Satan, and place Lucifer as No. 1.

The simple answer is that nobody knows for sure.

What it amounts too is that it is one of the oldest religious conspiracies there is...

[Coil]

2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

 Though I, myself, believe these guys could not operate without the tacit approval of God. So that would make God the baddest dude in Hell.

God gives everyone freedom but this does not mean that he approves of the actions of the demons, otherwise why should he fight with them or call Satan an opponent of God. The demons themselves do not know that God is truth and bliss, they falsely think that he is even worse tyrant than their leader and they need to fight with all their strength. That's how truth is perverted in hell.

[+DieChecker]

23 minutes ago, Coil said:

God gives everyone freedom but this does not mean that he approves of the actions of the demons, otherwise why should he fight with them or call Satan an opponent of God. The demons themselves do not know that God is truth and bliss, they falsely think that he is even worse tyrant than their leader and they need to fight with all their strength. That's how truth is perverted in hell.

Yet, at one time, all demons were angels. And whether angels have free will, or are puppets of God, is a highly debated issue. Demons do know God, and rightly fear Him, as He is the only thing limiting them on the Earth. Or, was until the coming of the Holy Spirit to reside in us, and give us authority.

Or, at least that is the majority Christian opinion, IMHO. 

Edited May 10, 2019 by DieChecker

[Coil]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Yet, at one time, all demons were angels. And whether angels have free will, or are puppets of God, is a highly debated issue. Demons do know God, and rightly fear Him, as He is the only thing limiting them on the Earth. Or, was until the coming of the Holy Spirit to reside in us, and give us authority.

Or, at least that is the majority Christian opinion, IMHO. 

During the creation of the universe, God gave enormous powers and abilities to the four gods, and they thought they could create without thinking about the plan of God, so when they fell, God revealed angels with fewer abilities and they felt that God was stronger than them, and they obeyed God knowing the fate of the first . And the first ones who became demons spawned many other demons that had spread throughout space, so they lost the fact that at first they were angels. Three of them returned to God and Satan remained stubborn.

Even God gives demons the opportunity to live on other levels and does not destroy them, he expects them to re-educate. If not to limit demons
 then they capturing all the planets will destroy them since evil cannot develop positively and self-destruct itself. In the future, all the worlds of hell will be transformed by people into light levels and the demons in the majority will also change and those who do not want will be forced to leave our planet.