AXJ Posted May 10, 2019 #1 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) We are slowly locating all the pieces to this puzzle. The Romans sailed to America and maps circulated in Iberia. Columbus was well aware of all of them, and of America. He also received help from the Knights Templar, whom 200 years before, during the 1300s, more than 3,000 ships sailed to America. Was he in fact the last Templar. My ancestors hid the secret he confessed to when arrested. Columbus https://supercurioso.com/llegaron-los-templarios-a-america-antes-que-colon/ https://www.cadizdirecto.com/misterio-enigma-historia-cristobal-colon-el-ultimo-templario/ Edited May 10, 2019 by AXJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 10, 2019 #2 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, AXJ said: We are slowly locating all the pieces to this puzzle. The Romans sailed to America and maps circulated in Iberia. Columbus was well aware of all of them, and of America. He also received help from the Knights Templar, whom 200 years before, during the 1300s, more than 3,000 ships sailed to America. Was he in fact the last Templar. My ancestors hid the secret he confessed to when arrested. No, the Romans didn't sail to America and neither did the Templars especially with that many ships and although Columbus was a Crusader thinking he was going to invade Asia nobody knew about the Americas nor has been here except for the Norse. There was something after 1492 called the "Columbian Exchange" whereas 2/3rds of the plants, animals and people died off and many plants and animals were replaced negating any major contact prior. @Saru This thread needs to be moved to the right subforum please. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted May 10, 2019 #3 Share Posted May 10, 2019 It is POSSIBLE that someone from Europe or Africa made it to the Americas - and as noted left no trace of having done so. Now the Asians - specifically the Inuit - were discovering the Americas on a weekly basis. The limited Norse incursion demonstrated that limited contact didn't initiate a 'Columbian Exchange' in that specific case. So if some lost Roman ship with its crew half dead from dehydration made it to say Brazil and were not killed off it they would leave no discernible trace. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistman Posted May 10, 2019 #4 Share Posted May 10, 2019 10 hours ago, AXJ said: We are slowly locating all the pieces to this puzzle. The Romans sailed to America and maps circulated in Iberia. Columbus was well aware of all of them, and of America. He also received help from the Knights Templar, whom 200 years before, during the 1300s, more than 3,000 ships sailed to America. Was he in fact the last Templar. My ancestors hid the secret he confessed to when arrested. Columbus https://supercurioso.com/llegaron-los-templarios-a-america-antes-que-colon/ https://www.cadizdirecto.com/misterio-enigma-historia-cristobal-colon-el-ultimo-templario/ Can you give some specifics as to the bolded text please. When exactly in the 1300's is this huge fleet supposed to have set sail? Thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted May 10, 2019 #5 Share Posted May 10, 2019 10 hours ago, AXJ said: We are slowly locating all the pieces to this puzzle. The Romans sailed to America and maps circulated in Iberia. Columbus was well aware of all of them, and of America. He also received help from the Knights Templar, whom 200 years before, during the 1300s, more than 3,000 ships sailed to America. Was he in fact the last Templar. My ancestors hid the secret he confessed to when arrested. Columbus https://supercurioso.com/llegaron-los-templarios-a-america-antes-que-colon/ https://www.cadizdirecto.com/misterio-enigma-historia-cristobal-colon-el-ultimo-templario/ He wasn't a Templar Knight. If you read the history and the vows they took, it's very clear that he never belonged to any monastic order, much less the Templars (which were long gone by the time of his birth) or the Order of Christ (Portugal) which was the renamed Knights Templar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Christ_(Portugal) If he'd been a member of the Order of Christ, he wouldn't have had to go to Ferdinand and Isabella for money for exploration. These orders were funding this kind of thing themselves. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 10, 2019 #6 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Piney said: No, the Romans didn't sail to America and neither did the Templars especially with that many ships and although Columbus was a Crusader thinking he was going to invade Asia nobody knew about the Americas nor has been here except for the Norse. There was something after 1492 called the "Columbian Exchange" whereas 2/3rds of the plants, animals and people died off and many plants and animals were replaced negating any major contact prior. @Saru This thread needs to be moved to the right subforum please. Actually a map created by a Japanese sailor was found in a museum in europe. I have googled this but can't find it. I will keep looking. Someone had a map of the americas before Columbus sailed and it was not a european map, unless it came from the vikings. Compared to the rest of the world most european countries were backward. Edited May 10, 2019 by Desertrat56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowpane Posted May 10, 2019 #7 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said: Actually a map created by a Japanese sailor was found in a museum in europe. I have googled this but can't find it. I will keep looking. Someone had a map of the americas before Columbus sailed and it was not a european map, unless it came from the vikings. Compared to the rest of the world most european countries were backward. Daikokuya Kōdayū? If so, it was an 18th century map. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 10, 2019 #8 Share Posted May 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Windowpane said: Daikokuya Kōdayū? If so, it was an 18th century map. No, I am talking about a map, not a sailor. The lie we were told about columbus/Christobol Colon (why didn't we even get hsi real name in school?) was that he thought the world was flat. Another story was that he did not believe there was a continent between Europe and Asia to the west. I don't think that one is true either. But it is interesting that the natives brought back to Europe were called Indians as if they were from India, which was a well know place at that time, and it should have been obvious that they were not Indians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 10, 2019 #9 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Are you alluding to the Piri Reis map AJX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 10, 2019 #10 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said: No, I am talking about a map, not a sailor. The lie we were told about columbus/Christobol Colon (why didn't we even get hsi real name in school?) was that he thought the world was flat. Another story was that he did not believe there was a continent between Europe and Asia to the west. I don't think that one is true either. But it is interesting that the natives brought back to Europe were called Indians as if they were from India, which was a well know place at that time, and it should have been obvious that they were not Indians. Not really, you have to remember that while the world knew a Place Called “India” existed, and that the people who lived there were dusky skinned, no one/very few had actually met someone from India. To highlight this point, there’s a tale of Devon fisher folk finding a barabary ape washed ashore and assuming it was a Frenchman lynched it. France was just across a strip of water it’s possible to swim across rather than the other side of the world. Old Colon was also a notorious liar and stubborn as a particularly truculent mule, so even landing on a tropical island full of vaguely feudal farmers and fishermen meant nothing to a man looking for a continent full of pre-industrial revolution traders. He’d found India and he was invading for thr glory of whoever was paying him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 10, 2019 #11 Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Desertrat56 said: Actually a map created by a Japanese sailor was found in a museum in europe. I have googled this but can't find it. I will keep looking. Someone had a map of the americas before Columbus sailed and it was not a european map, unless it came from the vikings. Compared to the rest of the world most european countries were backward. The map was a fraud and it was Chinese. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 10, 2019 #12 Share Posted May 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Piney said: The map was a fraud and it was Chinese. Oh, good to know. I saw a whole documentary on it years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 10, 2019 #13 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Desertrat56 said: Oh, good to know. I saw a whole documentary on it years ago. China invited a boatload of Tribal Chiefs, including my father and tried to tell them we were "brothers" and they actually owned the U.S. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 10, 2019 #14 Share Posted May 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Piney said: China invited a boatload of Tribal Chiefs, including my father and tried to tell them we were "brothers" and they actually owned the U.S. Then they should have been there to greet and repel Colon, Coronado and the boat loads of warrior priests that the euorpeans sent before the English and Dutch even got involved. It would be a completely different country if they had taken ownership. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #15 Share Posted May 11, 2019 7 hours ago, The Wistman said: Can you give some specifics as to the bolded text please. When exactly in the 1300's is this huge fleet supposed to have set sail? Thanks. Across Europe... http://home.earthlink.net/~danielsage17/templars.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #16 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Are you alluding to the Piri Reis map AJX? Long before....many new discoveries in Toledo, Spain that were transfered to Madrid, Salamanca, Sevilla, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #17 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Not really, you have to remember that while the world knew a Place Called “India” existed, and that the people who lived there were dusky skinned, no one/very few had actually met someone from India. To highlight this point, there’s a tale of Devon fisher folk finding a barabary ape washed ashore and assuming it was a Frenchman lynched it. France was just across a strip of water it’s possible to swim across rather than the other side of the world. Old Colon was also a notorious liar and stubborn as a particularly truculent mule, so even landing on a tropical island full of vaguely feudal farmers and fishermen meant nothing to a man looking for a continent full of pre-industrial revolution traders. He’d found India and he was invading for thr glory of whoever was paying him. Many surprises coming... https://www.elcomercio.com/tendencias/hallan-manuscrito-hijo-cristobal-colon.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 11, 2019 #18 Share Posted May 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, AXJ said: Across Europe... http://home.earthlink.net/~danielsage17/templars.htm Childress is a lying lunatic.... http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2015/09/1463-david-hatcher-childress.html http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/a-clarification-on-david-hatcher-childress http://www.jasoncolavito.com/david-childress.html 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #19 Share Posted May 11, 2019 15 hours ago, Piney said: No, the Romans didn't sail to America and neither did the Templars especially with that many ships and although Columbus was a Crusader thinking he was going to invade Asia nobody knew about the Americas nor has been here except for the Norse. There was something after 1492 called the "Columbian Exchange" whereas 2/3rds of the plants, animals and people died off and many plants and animals were replaced negating any major contact prior. @Saru This thread needs to be moved to the right subforum please. https://www.vistaalmar.es/ciencia-tecnologia/historia/3376-adn-insinua-romanos-llegaron-ameroca-antes-colon.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 11, 2019 #20 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, AXJ said: Many surprises coming... https://www.elcomercio.com/tendencias/hallan-manuscrito-hijo-cristobal-colon.html You want to post something that somebody who only reads Japanese and English can read? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #21 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Just now, Piney said: You want to post something that somebody who only reads Japanese and English can read? I'd love to but much of the material coming to us is in Latin or old Castillian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 11, 2019 #22 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Piney said: Childress is a lying lunatic.... http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2015/09/1463-david-hatcher-childress.html http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/a-clarification-on-david-hatcher-childress http://www.jasoncolavito.com/david-childress.html Sure he is a little over the top but I really enjoyed reading Lost Cities and Mysteries of South America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 11, 2019 #23 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, AXJ said: https://www.vistaalmar.es/ciencia-tecnologia/historia/3376-adn-insinua-romanos-llegaron-ameroca-antes-colon.html As a field tech and Cultural Resources Officer for 2 museums and many, many, many archaeologist. I'm calling BS on this entire article. There is no evidence for Romans in North America let alone any pre-Viking contact. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #24 Share Posted May 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Piney said: You want to post something that somebody who only reads Japanese and English can read? Will translate what I can... https://palabrasclaras.mx/cultura/efemerides-de-cultura-del-15-de-abril/ But reading through the old "legajos" scrolls is not easy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #25 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Piney said: As a field tech and Cultural Resources Officer for 2 museums and many, many, many archaeologist. I'm calling BS on this entire article. There is no evidence for Romans in North America let alone any pre-Viking contact. Of course there is very little evidence because many never made it back....but we do know that Romans did sale West of the Pillars of Hercules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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