AXJ Posted May 10, 2019 #1 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Our Lady of Guadalupe (Spanish: Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe), also known as the Virgin of Guadalupe (Spanish: Virgen de Guadalupe), is a Catholic title of the Blessed Virgin Mary associated with a Marian apparition and a venerated image enshrined within the Minor Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City. The basilica is the most visited Catholic pilgrimage site in the world, and the world's third most-visited sacred site. Pope Leo XIII granted the venerated image a Canonical Coronation on 12 October 1895. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted May 10, 2019 #2 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Viva Our Lady!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted May 10, 2019 #3 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Why does the Virgin Mary only ever appear to uneducated peasants in Catholic countries? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaylemurph Posted May 10, 2019 Popular Post #4 Share Posted May 10, 2019 The same reason UFOs only appear to drunken rednecks who don’t own tripods. —Jaylemurph 4 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Piney Posted May 10, 2019 Popular Post #5 Share Posted May 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: Why does the Virgin Mary only ever appear to uneducated peasants in Catholic countries? Our Lady of Guadalupe was a remade "Corn Mother" and the "peasant" who saw her was actually a Aztec Priest for Chicomecoatl trying to preserve her worship and sacred site. The symbolism found throughout her image is pure Nahuatl and not Christian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicomecōātl 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted May 10, 2019 #6 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I assumed the Mexican example was characteristic of other Marian shrines like Fatima, Lourdes and Medugorje. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 10, 2019 #7 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: I assumed the Mexican example was characteristic of other Marian shrines like Fatima, Lourdes and Medugorje. Somewhat, but it was more a act of trying to preserve a dying culture. Mexican culture is more Native American than it is Spanish and there are many cases where Catholicism was blended with local beliefs. Another example is the Feast of the Dead. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted May 10, 2019 #8 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Hmmm.. this is annoying. There is a word for this... or something similar to this. When a Religion "hijacks" the ceremonies or holy days/places of another religion, in order to facilitate conversions from the other religion. Hence Christianity hijacked the roman feast of Saturnalia, and called it Christmas. What is the term ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 10, 2019 #9 Share Posted May 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Hmmm.. this is annoying. There is a word for this... or something similar to this. When a Religion "hijacks" the ceremonies or holy days/places of another religion, in order to facilitate conversions from the other religion. Hence Christianity hijacked the roman feast of Saturnalia, and called it Christmas. What is the term ? Syncretism 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted May 10, 2019 #10 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Ozymandias said: Why does the Virgin Mary only ever appear to uneducated peasants in Catholic countries? My uneducated guess is that the educated would ask the Virgin to show further evidence of her virginity. And by "educated" we are obviously meaning the skeptical atheists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted May 10, 2019 #11 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, jaylemurph said: The same reason UFOs only appear to drunken rednecks who don’t own tripods. —Jaylemurph Is that based on historical data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted May 10, 2019 #12 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, RoofGardener said: Hmmm.. this is annoying. There is a word for this... or something similar to this. When a Religion "hijacks" the ceremonies or holy days/places of another religion, in order to facilitate conversions from the other religion. Hence Christianity hijacked the roman feast of Saturnalia, and called it Christmas. What is the term ? Goyasism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted May 10, 2019 #13 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Apparitions are just part of the plan for the eventual showing of the Greatest Show on Earth and Heaven. The name of this show? The Day of the Lord! Why day and not night? Because we sleep at night, as we are now, and at daybreak, when the c*** crows, we shall all wake up to a new day, the Day of the Lord. This is also my uneducated opinion, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimalists Posted May 10, 2019 #14 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Piney said: Somewhat, but it was more a act of trying to preserve a dying culture. Mexican culture is more Native American than it is Spanish and there are many cases where Catholicism was blended with local beliefs. Another example is the Feast of the Dead. Or the Day of the Dead in Mexico...Piney Thanks for that "Feast of the Dead" I had never heard of it till your post..... Edited May 10, 2019 by Alien Origins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimalists Posted May 10, 2019 #15 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, jaylemurph said: The same reason UFOs only appear to drunken rednecks who don’t own tripods. —Jaylemurph You only qualify if you have been on television more than times describing what the UFO looked like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted May 10, 2019 #16 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Piney said: Somewhat, but it was more a act of trying to preserve a dying culture. Mexican culture is more Native American than it is Spanish and there are many cases where Catholicism was blended with local beliefs. Another example is the Feast of the Dead. Which is in some ways similar to to the way many pagan believes were blended into European Christianity as it spread. St. Ursula is considered to have derived from a form of Diana (surnamed Ursula, "little bear") that was worshipped int he general area of modern day Cologne, if I'm not completely mistaken. In the same way various local gods were reinterpreted as historical, semi-historical or flat out invented saints. The Virgin Mary in particular took the role of a whole number of Pagan Goddesses since Christianity failed to provide an alternative to them, until she had become this whole "Heavenly Mother" "Queen of Angels" "Mother of Mercy" pseudo-goddess she is in Catholicism today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted May 10, 2019 #17 Share Posted May 10, 2019 8 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Hmmm.. this is annoying. There is a word for this... or something similar to this. When a Religion "hijacks" the ceremonies or holy days/places of another religion, in order to facilitate conversions from the other religion. Hence Christianity hijacked the roman feast of Saturnalia, and called it Christmas. What is the term ? Christianity has grafted itself onto paganism (or absorbed and 'christianised' pagan beliefs and festivals) all over Europe and everywhere else it went over the centuries. As Piney said, this process is called syncretism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 10, 2019 #18 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Catholic means universal, therefore the Catholic Church is the universal Church and therefore ALL religious practices fall under its aegis to use as it sees fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 10, 2019 #19 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Piney said: Our Lady of Guadalupe was a remade "Corn Mother" and the "peasant" who saw her was actually a Aztec Priest for Chicomecoatl trying to preserve her worship and sacred site. The symbolism found throughout her image is pure Nahuatl and not Christian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicomecōātl She was accepted as a Tonantzin and gave them an acceptable outlet for their native veneration of such. Edited May 10, 2019 by Hammerclaw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 10, 2019 #20 Share Posted May 10, 2019 13 hours ago, jaylemurph said: The same reason UFOs only appear to drunken rednecks who don’t own tripods. —Jaylemurph Not really. The U.S. Navy and airforce has many programs and investigations in place that look at some very credible UFO reporting. https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2019/04/25/aliens-ahoy-navy-developing-guidelines-on-reporting-ufo-sightings/ https://www.sciencealert.com/the-us-navy-will-start-taking-ufo-sightings-much-more-seriously https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Frustrated-pilots-got-Navy-to-stop-dismissing-UFO-13793183.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 10, 2019 #21 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Ozymandias said: Why does the Virgin Mary only ever appear to uneducated peasants in Catholic countries? Must admit people will generally see and read into what they want. A starving man dreams of bread and all that... Its human nature. But there are also a lot of educated and rich people that also happen to believe. Edited May 10, 2019 by Captain Risky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 10, 2019 #22 Share Posted May 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Alien Origins said: Or the Day of the Dead in Mexico...Piney Thanks for that "Feast of the Dead" I had never heard of it till your post..... That is the Day of the Dead. My people call it Feast of the Dead or "Skeleton Dance" but it's close to the same celebration. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #23 Share Posted May 11, 2019 19 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Viva Our Lady!!! Es un milagro...it is a miracle... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted May 11, 2019 #24 Share Posted May 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, AXJ said: Es un milagro...it is a miracle... Yes, it was I believe. I went to the shrine at Our Lady of Fatima. Another miracle I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXJ Posted May 11, 2019 Author #25 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: Yes, it was I believe. I went to the shrine at Our Lady of Fatima. Another miracle I believe. Yes, the interesting thing about Guadalupe is the Natives had no idea who this woman was... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now