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Piney
6 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

Apparently there are so called Atheistic "Christians" who reject God as imaginary, yet follow the Bible because they believe it's mostly beneficial.

Non-Theistic Quakers who are atheists follow Jesus's teachings yet deny his divinity and the Old Testament. 

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danydandan
3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Non-Theistic Quakers who are atheists follow Jesus's teachings yet deny his divinity and the Old Testament. 

There are silly people everywhere. Me included. 

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Piney
4 minutes ago, danydandan said:

There are silly people everywhere. Me included. 

Hey, they do good things. There were more of them who were active with ARC and the AFSC  then there was Christian Quakers. The most socially active Quakers at my birth Meeting are the 3 Buddhist ones though. :lol:

 

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Aquila King
On 5/12/2019 at 11:08 AM, XenoFish said:

Nothing. I admire nothing. Regardless of where people fall on the atheist-theist spectrum of beliefs, I admire none of it. I'd rather admire the quality of their character regardless of their beliefs.

Basically this ^

It's nearly impossible to admire or admonish an entire group of people based on religious/spiritual beliefs. There are some beliefs that are abhorrent, of course. But I've npknow many good people who have these terrible beliefs simply because they were indoctrinated into it at an early age. They didn't chose to believe it or come to that belief by themselves.

I admire individuals by their words and actions and beliefs, not groups of people.

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Hammerclaw

I choose to believe what I choose to believe and don't give a damn what anyone thinks about it. I choose not to be atheistic and choose not to blindly follow anything. I don't have to quote heroes or books to back anything up. I consider a directed universe a likely scenario, it's origins and purpose, a total mystery. I talk to God every goddamn day and if he's listening, God help me.

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XenoFish

I quit caring. "I don't know" is my default, because there is a lot that I don't know. Plus life is short. I'd rather ride the wave and steer as needed. Locking myself into a single mindset, ain't worth it.

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danydandan
18 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I quit caring. "I don't know" is my default, because there is a lot that I don't know. Plus life is short. I'd rather ride the wave and steer as needed. Locking myself into a single mindset, ain't worth it.

Imagine how insane you'd drive yourself if you had to have closure on everything you ever questioned and you just happened to be agnostic. 

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XenoFish
9 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Imagine how insane you'd drive yourself if you had to have closure on everything you ever questioned and you just happened to be agnostic. 

It would lead to severe anxiety and heavy depression, because you'd second guess everything. Then worry if you'd made the right decision. 

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danydandan
1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

It would lead to severe anxiety and heavy depression, because you'd second guess everything. Then worry if you'd made the right decision. 

Exactly, so the best thing for some people's mental health is to not give a feck.

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XenoFish
2 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Exactly, so the best thing for some people's mental health is to not give a feck.

Exactly. The way I see it, there is nothing certain in life except death. Yet we don't even know when that'll occur. So why stress and worry about it? Just live, do the best we can, and make the most of it. Why clutter the mind.

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How do we differentiate between "good" and  "bad" ?   Surely, at times they overlap, or the lines are blurred?

if there is nothing outside our heads....not even spirit...where and why and what is Good?   Not making people cry? Errwhat?

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danydandan
1 minute ago, lightly said:

How do we differentiate between "good" and  "bad" ?   Surely, at times they overlap, or the lines are blurred?

if there is nothing outside our heads....not even spirit...where and why and what is Good?   Not making people cry? Errwhat?

What ever the common consensus is. Basically.

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Pettytalk
2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

I choose to believe what I choose to believe and don't give a damn what anyone thinks about it. I choose not to be atheistic and choose not to blindly follow anything. I don't have to quote heroes or books to back anything up. I consider a directed universe a likely scenario, it's origins and purpose, a total mystery. I talk to God every goddamn day and if he's listening, God help me.

What do you need help with? I need help with everything, and I talk/pray to God day, and night, but he does not help me. Hopefully God understands English, or I have to assume that he also may not be listening, like many here. God must have me on the ignore list, too.

 

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Pettytalk

I have to note that reality lies where a pessimist plus an optometrist is then dived by two and the quotient is reality. Reality is seen only by the eye specialist, and is in the mean, a disease, an optical delusion.

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Sherapy
2 hours ago, XenoFish said:

It would lead to severe anxiety and heavy depression, because you'd second guess everything. Then worry if you'd made the right decision. 

As the Agnostic, you would worry and second guess?

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Piney
2 hours ago, danydandan said:

Exactly, so the best thing for some people's mental health is to not give a feck.

 The Tendai Buddhist state of "Daremo". "Feck it!" 

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XenoFish
2 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

As the Agnostic, you would worry and second guess?

No not at all. It was directed towards danny's question of closure. How worrying about this, that, and everything in between can drive someone crazy. For an agnostic it would just be a mental middle ground. Not a firm yes or no. It would be pretty open minded without having to hold on to a stance of "This is it and nothing else". To be honest I think a lot of Theist and Atheist are really just agnostic who might lean more into either maybe, maybe not. 

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Sherapy
4 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

No not at all. It was directed towards danny's question of closure. How worrying about this, that, and everything in between can drive someone crazy. For an agnostic it would just be a mental middle ground. Not a firm yes or no. It would be pretty open minded without having to hold on to a stance of "This is it and nothing else". To be honest I think a lot of Theist and Atheist are really just agnostic who might lean more into either maybe, maybe not. 

Ahh, gotcha. Good way to look at things. 

The Agnostic position for me, is “it is what it is,” the no-mind of Zen and the letting go of attachment in Buddhism. 

 

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XenoFish
3 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Basically this ^

It's nearly impossible to admire or admonish an entire group of people based on religious/spiritual beliefs. There are some beliefs that are abhorrent, of course. But I've npknow many good people who have these terrible beliefs simply because they were indoctrinated into it at an early age. They didn't chose to believe it or come to that belief by themselves.

I admire individuals by their words and actions and beliefs, not groups of people.

You also have to consider that most of the believers in the various religions are the cafeteria variety. I don't think many of them (maybe majority) take it seriously. It takes a "special" kind of person to be a religious fanatic or a Jesus freak. 

A person can talk to god to ease their troubled mind, and find the will to overcome great odds because of it. If that's what it takes so be it.

Another person can muster to will to achieve without a shred of spirituality at all. No one is exactly alike. 

I think on here we run across a few who have that "all or nothing" mindset. That anyone who deviates from it is wrong or stupid. Ignorant or whatever. It shows a narrow mindedness. 

I have my ideas and opinions, that's all I have. I don't even hold those views as being right. Because admittedly I could be wrong.

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XenoFish
Just now, Sherapy said:

Ahh, gotcha. Good way to look at things. 

The Agnostic position for me, is “it is what it is,” the no-mind of Zen and the letting go of attachment in Buddhism. 

 

The subtle art of not giving an F.

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Sherapy
Just now, XenoFish said:

The subtle art of not giving an F.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, yes! You have a book X!!!!!

Agnostic: the subtle are of not giving a  *****!

And then you open the book and there is nothing on the pages. 

Lol

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, yes! You have a book X!!!!!

Agnostic: the subtle are of not giving a  *****!

And then you open the book and there is nothing on the pages. 

Lol

Not quite.

https://www.amazon.com/Subtle-Art-Not-Giving-Counterintuitive-ebook/dp/B019MMUA8S

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XenoFish

I own a copy of that book and it help me break my depression. I quit caring about what I had no power over. 

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Sherapy
1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

I own a copy of that book and it help me break my depression. I quit caring about what I had no power over. 

I might have have used this or something similar back in my Helen caregiver days, it reminded me to use my sense of humor in the truly awful times in life. 

Wonderful funny book. 

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