bee Posted June 15, 2019 #101 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Setton said: @RabidMongoose You were saying something about the right accepting defeat gracefully? lol... you are such a stirrer... If election fraud took place... which IMO looks highly likely... the '''winning''' wasn't graceful in any way shape or form... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 15, 2019 #102 Share Posted June 15, 2019 this isn't going to just go away and I wonder what it would take to declare the result null and void...? https://www.politicalite.com/peterborough-by-election/thirteen-thousand-postal-votes-issued-shock-pboro-by-election-figures-reveal/ PETERBOROUGH voters were left feeling doubly stitched-up last night, after a panic-stricken report issued by the City’s local Council revealed that over thirteen-and-a-half THOUSAND postal votes were issued – in a region already rocked by previous convictions for postal vote fraud. Social media erupted into a frenzy of outrage last Thursday, after Politicalite’s exclusive report revealing the Labour Party’s continued use of a convicted vote-rigger on their Peterborough election team went viral. With the eyes of the nation firmly fixed upon the by-election that had been called following the humiliating ousting of crooked Corbynite MP Fiona Onasanya, new claims of foul play abounded almost immediately – further adding to the frustrations and anger of long-suffering locals who felt once again robbed of their democratic voice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted June 15, 2019 #103 Share Posted June 15, 2019 2 hours ago, bee said: this isn't going to just go away and I wonder what it would take to declare the result null and void...? https://www.politicalite.com/peterborough-by-election/thirteen-thousand-postal-votes-issued-shock-pboro-by-election-figures-reveal/ On the face of it the numbers look fishy, we'd need a break down of the postal votes for all the parties to get a clearer picture. There's no official investigation so all must be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 15, 2019 #104 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 hours ago, bee said: lol... you are such a stirrer... If election fraud took place... which IMO looks highly likely... the '''winning''' wasn't graceful in any way shape or form... Hush, we're talking about you, not to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 15, 2019 Author #105 Share Posted June 15, 2019 5 hours ago, stevewinn said: On the face of it the numbers look fishy, we'd need a break down of the postal votes for all the parties to get a clearer picture. There's no official investigation so all must be okay. Well, Labour have got 'form' for this sort of thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted June 17, 2019 #106 Share Posted June 17, 2019 @bee Police investigating Peterborough by-election. local paper https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/five-electoral-fraud-allegations-at-peterborough-by-election-being-investigated-by-police-1-8964103 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 17, 2019 Author #107 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 hours ago, stevewinn said: @bee Police investigating Peterborough by-election. local paper https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/five-electoral-fraud-allegations-at-peterborough-by-election-being-investigated-by-police-1-8964103 Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 17, 2019 #108 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: Interesting Not really. It's their job to investigate. Even if the allegation is patently ridiculous. What will be interesting is what they conclude and how bee tries to construe it as 'the deep state denying us democracy' (because the people voted wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 17, 2019 Author #109 Share Posted June 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, Setton said: Not really. It's their job to investigate. Even if the allegation is patently ridiculous. What will be interesting is what they conclude and how bee tries to construe it as 'the deep state denying us democracy' (because the people voted wrong). Sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 17, 2019 #110 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Boris is now 1 to 1.03 odds on favourite so if you bet £1 you only win 3p lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 18, 2019 #111 Share Posted June 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Setton said: Not really. It's their job to investigate. Even if the allegation is patently ridiculous. What will be interesting is what they conclude and how bee tries to construe it as 'the deep state denying us democracy' (because the people voted wrong). behave yourself... although it is true that I am concerned that the police and courts in some cases are politicized and selective about when and how the law is applied... lets hope the Electoral Commission isn't also 'told what to do' by ''''someone''''.... and that the police are allowed to do their job fairly and without interference .. regarding the bolded above... even the BBC have had to say something about the '''allegations'''.... and say... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48665324 "Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records." well there's 400 admitted not so 'patently ridiculous' allegations for a start... more about that BBC report in next post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 18, 2019 #112 Share Posted June 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, bee said: behave yourself... although it is true that I am concerned that the police and courts in some cases are politicized and selective about when and how the law is applied... lets hope the Electoral Commission isn't also 'told what to do' by ''''someone''''.... and that the police are allowed to do their job fairly and without interference .. You're starting the conspiracies before you lose now? Well, it's more efficient, I guess. Quote regarding the bolded above... even the BBC have had to say something about the '''allegations'''.... and say... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48665324 "Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records." well there's 400 admitted not so 'patently ridiculous' allegations for a start... more about that BBC report in next post... Yes. Showing that the postal votes are already checked. Those 400 were not counted in the result. Therefore the ones that were counted do match records. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted June 18, 2019 #113 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, Setton said: You're starting the conspiracies before you lose now? Well, it's more efficient, I guess. Theyve gotten playing the victim card down so well I think theyre actually starting to believe it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 18, 2019 #114 Share Posted June 18, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48665324 I was interested to see how the BBC were going to report on the Peterborough By Election 'allegations' of cheating - ie how they were going to wriggle out of saying anything critical about it.. the report was kind of minimally robotic... like...short bursts of this happened / that happened - finishing off with a comforting quote from Peterborough City Council.... They kept the whole thing bland bland bland as if it was all a tiny little thing hardly worth mentioning... this bit... "However, police are investigating three reports relating to postal votes, one allegation of bribery and corruption and one of a breach of the privacy of the vote. Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received. Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records." I presume that police have kept actual allegations that are being investigated down somehow, like there has to be an individual 'victim'.... of some sort that fits into a certain bracket ... But what about those admitted 400 rejected votes...?.... surely that's 400 investigations for a start - ? And how were those 400 discovered... was it a random sampling?...they don't say whether every single postal vote was looked at to make sure it was genuine (even though one that looks genuine could be coerced or made to look genuine when it really isn't...ie within big families ) And 400 is a nice round figure that makes me think it is either made up or estimated without factual back up... not 387.... or 406.... a nice round figure of 400 and this gives the impression that the fake votes have been routed out and the other 9498 are perfectly ok so nothing to worry about... It must have killed the British Brainwashing Corporation to even make this minimal bland report... but perhaps it shows that there is more to come and they have to look like they are actually doing the job they are payed to do by the taxpayer... even if they always do it is a sneaky biased way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 18, 2019 #115 Share Posted June 18, 2019 At the end of the day... maybe the lessons learnt from the Peterborough By Election will be generally useful to any coming elections that the Brexit Party take part in... people will be more on the look out for cheating and illegal practices and supporters of the Brexit Party will know that they have to get more people out to vote to counter act the fraud... it's a crying shame that elections in Britain have come to this.. when the democratic system itself is under coordinated attack - the bedrock of democracy is showing serious cracks that need fixing ASAP... like all Postal Votes being checked and followed up and voter ID being issued for every election... perhaps the polling card that we get through the post could be turned into voter ID and if someone lost it they could take some other kind of ID instead... Peterborough has been an education.... and lessons have to be learnt from it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 18, 2019 #116 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, bee said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48665324 I was interested to see how the BBC were going to report on the Peterborough By Election 'allegations' of cheating - ie how they were going to wriggle out of saying anything critical about it.. the report was kind of minimally robotic... like...short bursts of this happened / that happened - finishing off with a comforting quote from Peterborough City Council.... They kept the whole thing bland bland bland as if it was all a tiny little thing hardly worth mentioning... this bit... "However, police are investigating three reports relating to postal votes, one allegation of bribery and corruption and one of a breach of the privacy of the vote. Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received. Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records." I presume that police have kept actual allegations that are being investigated down somehow, like there has to be an individual 'victim'.... of some sort that fits into a certain bracket ... But what about those admitted 400 rejected votes...?.... surely that's 400 investigations for a start - ? And how were those 400 discovered... was it a random sampling?...they don't say whether every single postal vote was looked at to make sure it was genuine (even though one that looks genuine could be coerced or made to look genuine when it really isn't...ie within big families ) And 400 is a nice round figure that makes me think it is either made up or estimated without factual back up... not 387.... or 406.... a nice round figure of 400 and this gives the impression that the fake votes have been routed out and the other 9498 are perfectly ok so nothing to worry about... It must have killed the British Brainwashing Corporation to even make this minimal bland report... but perhaps it shows that there is more to come and they have to look like they are actually doing the job they are payed to do by the taxpayer... even if they always do it is a sneaky biased way... If you actually read more widely, you'd know they checked every postal vote against council records. Those 400 (probably rounded - so what?) didn't match. The rest did. I did expect you to at least wait until the police conclude no further action before you started trying to pin conspiracies on them. You must have very little confidence in the accuracy of your allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 18, 2019 #117 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, bee said: Peterborough has been an education.... and lessons have to be learnt from it .... It certainly has been. Its shown the leave crowd to be utter hypocrites when it comes to the will of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 18, 2019 #118 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 15/06/2019 at 11:55 AM, Setton said: Hush, we're talking about you, not to you. Why are you sucking me into someone else`s debate? If there is evidence of electoral fraud then action needs taking. If there isn't then the Labour Party won the seat fair and square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 18, 2019 #119 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Why are you sucking me into someone else`s debate? If there is evidence of electoral fraud then action needs taking. If there isn't then the Labour Party won the seat fair and square. You said in the other thread that the right accepts defeat gracefully. I think bee is a pretty good example of how wrong you are. Edited June 18, 2019 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 18, 2019 #120 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Setton said: You said in the other thread that the right accepts defeat gracefully. I think bee is a pretty good example of how wrong you are. I think you have to wait and see how he behaves after the police have finished investigating before jumping to that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted June 18, 2019 #121 Share Posted June 18, 2019 19 hours ago, Setton said: Not really. It's their job to investigate. Even if the allegation is patently ridiculous. What will be interesting is what they conclude and how bee tries to construe it as 'the deep state denying us democracy' (because the people voted wrong). Lets hope for democracy's sake and for Labours they haven't stooped so low as to fiddle an election. Tariq Mahmood - who was jailed for 15 months in 2008 and expelled from the party for his role in a “systematic campaign of electoral fraud” after forging postal votes - campaigned extensively for Ms Forbes in the Peterborough by election. Labour had previously insisted he had no involvement in the campaign. Mr Mahmood, a 51-year-old former Labour local branch secretary in the constituency, also accompanied Jeremy Corbyn on a tour of local mosques, community centres and the high street in Peterborough days before the election and appeared in a Labour by-election video along with the Labour leader and candidate. The Sunday Times also reported Mr Mahmood spent most of election day outside a polling station and was subsequently present at the by-election count, wearing a Labour rosette on both occasions. He denied any wrongdoing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 18, 2019 #122 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said: I think you have to wait and see how he behaves after the police have finished investigating before jumping to that conclusion. Yet the same couldn't be said for remainers while the leave campaign was under investigation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 18, 2019 #123 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, stevewinn said: Lets hope for democracy's sake and for Labours they haven't stooped so low as to fiddle an election. Tariq Mahmood - who was jailed for 15 months in 2008 and expelled from the party for his role in a “systematic campaign of electoral fraud” after forging postal votes - campaigned extensively for Ms Forbes in the Peterborough by election. Labour had previously insisted he had no involvement in the campaign. Mr Mahmood, a 51-year-old former Labour local branch secretary in the constituency, also accompanied Jeremy Corbyn on a tour of local mosques, community centres and the high street in Peterborough days before the election and appeared in a Labour by-election video along with the Labour leader and candidate. The Sunday Times also reported Mr Mahmood spent most of election day outside a polling station and was subsequently present at the by-election count, wearing a Labour rosette on both occasions. He denied any wrongdoing. If a party is guilty by association, the Brexit party is well and truly ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 18, 2019 #124 Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Setton said: You said in the other thread that the right accepts defeat gracefully. I think bee is a pretty good example of how wrong you are. and who says I'm on the right... ?.... I'm basically a floating voter varying my support according to what I think is best at the time and circumstances prevailing.... but anyway... don't get too excited... I don't see what your problem is as Lisa Forbes has been declared the labour Member of Parliament for Peterborough and there is just about a zero chance that that will change (until the next election maybe..)... after what I have read about this particular election my personal opinion is that it's highly likely that voter fraud of various kinds took place and at different levels.... it's not as if this kind of thing is unheard of... Birmingham Vote Rigging (video 8:04) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 18, 2019 #125 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 hours ago, stevewinn said: Lets hope for democracy's sake and for Labours they haven't stooped so low as to fiddle an election. Tariq Mahmood - who was jailed for 15 months in 2008 and expelled from the party for his role in a “systematic campaign of electoral fraud” after forging postal votes - campaigned extensively for Ms Forbes in the Peterborough by election. Labour had previously insisted he had no involvement in the campaign. Mr Mahmood, a 51-year-old former Labour local branch secretary in the constituency, also accompanied Jeremy Corbyn on a tour of local mosques, community centres and the high street in Peterborough days before the election and appeared in a Labour by-election video along with the Labour leader and candidate. The Sunday Times also reported Mr Mahmood spent most of election day outside a polling station and was subsequently present at the by-election count, wearing a Labour rosette on both occasions. He denied any wrongdoing. It's astonishing that Corbyn and Forbes were so comfortable being associated with and photographed with a man who was actually jailed, in the recent past, for voter fraud.... but perhaps they had to just hope for the best and cross their fingers behind their backs because he was too influential to ignore or snub... and their victory depended on the Muslim vote.. they must have known his past history and yet they were happy to be seen with him and photographed shaking his hand - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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