Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #176 Share Posted June 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: "The People" voted for a no-deal Brexit ! We've been through this. No they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted June 27, 2019 #177 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Setton said: We've been through this. No they didn't. Yes we have. And Oh Yes They Did ! They voted to leave the European Union. The ballot paper made no mention of "deals". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #178 Share Posted June 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Yes we have. And Oh Yes They Did ! They voted to leave the European Union. The ballot paper made no mention of "deals". I'm not going to rehash this again. In brief: No, the ballot paper did not mention deals. That means we voted to leave. That's all, nothing else, that is the mandate the people gave. If we leave with a deal, that is met. The referendum does not, therefore, show that the people support leaving without a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted June 27, 2019 #179 Share Posted June 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, Setton said: I'm not going to rehash this again. In brief: No, the ballot paper did not mention deals. That means we voted to leave. That's all, nothing else, that is the mandate the people gave. If we leave with a deal, that is met. The referendum does not, therefore, show that the people support leaving without a deal. We voted to take back control of our borders, make our own laws, negotiate our own trade deals, we had reasons to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #180 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, hetrodoxly said: We voted to take back control of our borders, make our own laws, negotiate our own trade deals, we had reasons to leave. You voted to leave. Nothing else. That's all that was on the ballot paper, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 27, 2019 Author #181 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Setton said: I'm not going to rehash this again. In brief: No, the ballot paper did not mention deals. That means we voted to leave. That's all, nothing else, that is the mandate the people gave. If we leave with a deal, that is met. The referendum does not, therefore, show that the people support leaving without a deal. You forgot to mention...if we leave without a deal the mandate is met. Which by the way should have happened in March. The majority of peoples have been cheated and I might add with the assistance of people like you. Just answer me just 2 questions with a simple yes or no. 1. Did we vote to leave the EU? 2. Have we left the EU? Just yes or no. Edited June 27, 2019 by itsnotoutthere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #182 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, itsnotoutthere said: You forgot to mention...if we leave without a deal the mandate is met. Which by the way should have happened in March. Indeed it is. However, parliament (in its rightful role) legislated that the government must seek an extension instead of a no deal. That is not undermining the democratic process, it is the essence of it. Our representatives are seeking to fulfil our mandate in the best way. They judge that a deal is best. Therefore that is what should be pursued. Quote The majority of peoples have been cheated and I might add with the assistance of people like you. You're welcome. The majority have not been cheated as parliament continues to work towards leaving. The ballot paper also did not mention a date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 27, 2019 Author #183 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Setton said: Indeed it is. However, parliament (in its rightful role) legislated that the government must seek an extension instead of a no deal. That is not undermining the democratic process, it is the essence of it. Our representatives are seeking to fulfil our mandate in the best way. They judge that a deal is best. Therefore that is what should be pursued. You're welcome. The majority have not been cheated as parliament continues to work towards leaving. The ballot paper also did not mention a date. And remember...'no deal is better than a bad deal' parliament has three times voted that the deal on the table is a bad deal, the EU has said several times that the deal on the table is the only one they will offer. So in reality from now till October is simply more time wasting. Never mind, once Boris is in place it'll all get sorted I'm sure. And if it doesn't I'm positive that later on Prime minister Farage will sort it out. Edited June 27, 2019 by itsnotoutthere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #184 Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: And remember...'no deal is better than a bad deal' Ah-ah-ah, that wasn't on the ballot paper. And, remember, of it wasn't on the ballot paper, it doesn't count. That's your rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #185 Share Posted June 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: Never mind, once Boris is in place it'll all get sorted I'm sure. And if it doesn't I'm positive that later on Prime minister Farage will sort it out. I have absolutely no doubt either of them would sort out bypassing the democratic process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 27, 2019 Author #186 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Setton said: I have absolutely no doubt either of them would sort out bypassing the democratic process. Ah well, whatever it takes, after all 'what's good for the goose' and all that..... Edited June 27, 2019 by itsnotoutthere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #187 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: Ah well, whatever it takes, after all 'what's good for the goose' and all that..... And there it is. Quite happy to bypass democracy if it gets you your result. @stevewinnFor reference, this is denying democracy. Edited June 27, 2019 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 27, 2019 Author #188 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Setton said: And there it is. Quite happy to bypass democracy if it gets you your result. @stevewinnFor reference, this is denying democracy. But in reality we do not need to, as the EU election results should have taught you. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 27, 2019 #189 Share Posted June 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Setton said: You voted to leave. Nothing else. That's all that was on the ballot paper, remember? We voted to leave, we did not vote to leave with a customs union or free trade agreement. Therefore, technically, 52% of the population voted for a No-Deal Brexit including myself. And, now it has had a label put on it I am still happy for a No-Deal Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 27, 2019 Author #190 Share Posted June 27, 2019 All this drawn out process has done is instilled a deep mistrust in our main party politicians.........now think about it carefully, why do you think that is? It's a rhetorical question, the answer is.....because the politicians have not done what they were asked to do 3 years ago. You can kid yourself that you're in the majority but you really are kidding yourself, again as demonstrated by the EU election results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #191 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: We voted to leave, we did not vote to leave with a customs union or free trade agreement. Therefore, technically, 52% of the population voted for a No-Deal Brexit including myself. And, now it has had a label put on it I am still happy for a No-Deal Brexit. Nope, you just voted to leave. Please see above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 27, 2019 #192 Share Posted June 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, Setton said: And there it is. Quite happy to bypass democracy if it gets you your result. @stevewinnFor reference, this is denying democracy. How many people do you need here queuing up to tell you that you`re wrong? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #193 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: All this drawn out process has done is instilled a deep mistrust in our main party politicians.........now think about it carefully, why do you think that is? It's a rhetorical question, the answer is.....because the politicians have not done what they were asked to do 3 years ago. You can kid yourself that you're in the majority but you really are kidding yourself, again as demonstrated by the EU election results. Which showed less support for no deal than anything else. But you keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 27, 2019 #194 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Setton said: Nope, you just voted to leave. Please see above. Dont tell me how I voted, I know how I voted, you dont. I voted to leave the EU. I did not vote to leave with a deal. Putting aside this then even with a deal why are we still in 3 years later? This charade needs bringing to an end, we need to leave ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #195 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, RabidMongoose said: How many people do you need here queuing up to tell you that you`re wrong? lol Logical fallacy: appeal to popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #196 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Dont tell me how I voted, I know how I voted, you dont. I voted to leave the EU. I did not vote to leave with a deal. Putting aside this then even with a deal why are we still in 3 years later? This charade needs bringing to an end, we need to leave ASAP. But I do know how you voted, you've told me at length. However, obviously you know why you voted the way you did and I don't. By extension, you don't know why anyone else voted leave. If we can't bring up other relevant points such as the leave campaign's promise of a deal because 'it wasn't on the ballot paper' we also can't bring up the idea of leaving without a deal. That also was not on the ballot paper. Edited June 27, 2019 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted June 27, 2019 #197 Share Posted June 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, Setton said: You voted to leave. Nothing else. That's all that was on the ballot paper, remember? What do you think the reason was why we voted to leave the EU was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 27, 2019 #198 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Just now, hetrodoxly said: What do you think the reason was why we voted to leave the EU was? Doesn't matter, wasn't on the ballot paper. #leavelogic Edited June 27, 2019 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 27, 2019 Author #199 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Setton said: Which showed less support for no deal than anything else. But you keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. Explain....im all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 27, 2019 #200 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Setton said: But I do know how you voted, you've told me at length. However, obviously you know why you voted the way you did and I don't. By extension, you don't know why anyone else voted leave. If we can't bring up other relevant points such as the leave campaign's promise of a deal because 'it wasn't on the ballot paper' we also can't bring up the idea of leaving without a deal. That also was not on the ballot paper. You are not eroding away out Democracy. We know you want to remain and you game is to erode leaving step by step until we decide to stay in the EU. It isn't working, it isn't going to work, open you eyes and see how many of us are against staying. Everyone here is telling you why they voted to leave and none of them are telling you they voted to leave with a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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