Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #26 Share Posted June 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, bee said: obviously other factors come into play when it comes to a By Election or a General Election.... I would like Leave voters to stay focused and not wander back into the Lab / Con trap... and understand that after Leaving the EU is dealt with they can go back if they want to... BUT.... there are bigger issues to sort out at the moment... tinkering around with domestic issues should come second to deciding the direction we are going in as a country... Do we want to be a Sovereign Nation OR a Region in the EU Federation.... ? Or a province of the US as some leavers want. The possibilities are endless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 7, 2019 Author #27 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Setton said: And lost. Lib Dems. !!! Edited June 7, 2019 by itsnotoutthere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 7, 2019 Author #28 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Setton said: Or a province of the US as some leavers want. The possibilities are endless! Either that or the Germans....take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 7, 2019 #29 Share Posted June 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Setton said: Or a province of the US as some leavers want. The possibilities are endless! no the possibilities are not endless...... the choice is as I said.... Sovereign Nation or Region in EU Federation... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted June 7, 2019 #30 Share Posted June 7, 2019 55 minutes ago, bee said: no the possibilities are not endless...... the choice is as I said.... Sovereign Nation or Region in EU Federation... If only it were that simple. for example will this sovereign nation be as it is today are will it splinter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 7, 2019 Author #31 Share Posted June 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, RAyMO said: If only it were that simple. for example will this sovereign nation be as it is today are will it splinter? So presumably you're happy to be part of The United States of Europe? & all that comes with it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted June 7, 2019 #32 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Good showing by the Brexit party always going to be a uphill challenge in a constituency that's voted Labour and Tory since the 1970's. and that's the problem breaking this pattern. they came within 683 votes to doing just that. - this also highlights that the Brexit party stands a better chance of winning a referendum than a General Election. Brexit party needs time to evolve to be a serious threat in a GE. maybe 12 to 18 months. not the 8 weeks they've had leading upto this by election. So, the lesson is use the experience and build upon it. no party launched 8 weeks earlier as done so well, winning nationally and coming second in a by election, beaten by 683 votes. surprised so many still voted Tory. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #33 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 hours ago, bee said: no the possibilities are not endless...... the choice is as I said.... Sovereign Nation or Region in EU Federation... Your missing the footnote where 'sovereign nation' is defined as subservient to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted June 7, 2019 Author #34 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Setton said: Your missing the footnote where 'sovereign nation' is defined as subservient to the US. Subservient how? Like we are to Brussels?(sorry, Berlin) So tell me, are you looking forward to a United States of Europe & being paid in euros & a european army? A simple yes or no will do. Edited June 7, 2019 by itsnotoutthere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #35 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: Subservient how? Like we are to Brussels?(sorry, Berlin) Just ask your fellow leaver@RabidMongoose He's the one who wants to become a state and abandon our sovereignty completely. Quote So tell me, are you looking forward to a United States of Europe & being paid in euros & a european army? A simple yes or no will do. No. If and when that happened, that's when we should leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #36 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Quote Farage left the count through a back door minutes before the result was announced. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/07/friday-briefing-peterborough-labour-shows-farage-the-exit Ladies and gentlemen, your great leader - cowardly in defeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #37 Share Posted June 7, 2019 8 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: Either that or the Germans....take your pick. I thought we were going to be independent? Semm to remember something about needing a public holiday for our 'independence day'..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 7, 2019 #38 Share Posted June 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, Setton said: Just ask your fellow leaver@RabidMongoose He's the one who wants to become a state and abandon our sovereignty completely. No. If and when that happened, that's when we should leave. You mean get our sovereignty back. I dont want the UK to part of the new Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #39 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: You mean get our sovereignty back. I dont want the UK to part of the new Reich. But you want it to be part of the US. See, that wouldn't be sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 7, 2019 #40 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Setton said: But you want it to be part of the US. See, that wouldn't be sovereignty. The US is separate only by 150 years of history. And Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, even less. I am all for joining our kind not the new Franco-Prussian empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 7, 2019 #41 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Setton said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/07/friday-briefing-peterborough-labour-shows-farage-the-exit Ladies and gentlemen, your great leader - cowardly in defeat. Ladies and Gentlemen, your indoctrinating Mind Control Media .... Edited June 7, 2019 by bee 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 7, 2019 #42 Share Posted June 7, 2019 51 minutes ago, Setton said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/07/friday-briefing-peterborough-labour-shows-farage-the-exit Ladies and gentlemen, your great leader - cowardly in defeat. perhaps he didn't want the Enemy of the People (with their evil intent) to put all their focus on him.... under the circumstances it was a sensible move... but just a couple of other points... Do people in the room know what the result is before it's actually announced?... and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Corbyn was there for any part of the evening...? I'm guessing that on these occasions the candidates themselves are the main focus not anyone else... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 7, 2019 #43 Share Posted June 7, 2019 8 hours ago, RAyMO said: If only it were that simple. for example will this sovereign nation be as it is today are will it splinter? at the end of the day it is that simple... you have to base your decision on what YOU want and think is for the best -not what everyone else might or might not want... and how that might or might not play out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted June 7, 2019 #44 Share Posted June 7, 2019 55 minutes ago, bee said: at the end of the day it is that simple... you have to base your decision on what YOU want and think is for the best -not what everyone else might or might not want... and how that might or might not play out... You may have gotten lucky and found a third way. President Trump has a special relationship with the Queen like no other President;, and has said as much. He wants the two families to get together. And he has two marriageable daughters for the Princes and three sons for any Princesses. With that combination the next generation of Trump- Windsors might just rule America and Britain . Make the Empire great again. Of course, the capital of the empire would move to New York, and Donald would get the highest chair, but you could keep the statues and the Ravens. No more health care though. That is socialist. Let peasants die like they used to do. It will be great. The president can teach the Queen how to eat a Big Mac or a Whopper ant the next White House State Dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #45 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said: The US is separate only by 150 years of history. And Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, even less. I am all for joining our kind not the new Franco-Prussian empire. A close partnership with those countries I'd agree is the best prospect post-Brexit (and possibly better than membership). But not becoming just part of the US.as you suggest. Otherwise we're giving up a major role in a large partnership for a minor role in a smaller one. 2 hours ago, bee said: Ladies and Gentlemen, your indoctrinating Mind Control Media So, he didn't leave before the result was announced? Source please. 2 hours ago, bee said: perhaps he didn't want the Enemy of the People (with their evil intent) to put all their focus on him.... I imagine you're right. He wouldn't want the attention of his voters on him after that defeat. Quote Do people in the room know what the result is before it's actually announced?... They usually have an idea of where the count is headed. Quote and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Corbyn was there for any part of the evening...? I'm guessing that on these occasions the candidates themselves are the main focus not anyone else... Usually, yes. So why was he there in the first place? Clearly to gloat over his expected victory. And when he realised he'd lost (yet again) he snuck out the back. Gloating in victory and timid in defeat - not qualities Britain usually goes for in a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 7, 2019 #46 Share Posted June 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Setton said: A close partnership with those countries I'd agree is the best prospect post-Brexit (and possibly better than membership). But not becoming just part of the US.as you suggest. Otherwise we're giving up a major role in a large partnership for a minor role in a smaller one. So, he didn't leave before the result was announced? Source please. I imagine you're right. He wouldn't want the attention of his voters on him after that defeat. They usually have an idea of where the count is headed. Usually, yes. So why was he there in the first place? Clearly to gloat over his expected victory. And when he realised he'd lost (yet again) he snuck out the back. Gloating in victory and timid in defeat - not qualities Britain usually goes for in a leader. Well I personally thought `The United States of America and Empire of Great Britain` sounded great for a new countries name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 7, 2019 #47 Share Posted June 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Well I personally thought `The United States of America and Empire of Great Britain` sounded great for a new countries name. Nice ring to it certainly. Obviously Empire of Great Britain and the United States of America is better but still. Still amounts to giving up our sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 7, 2019 #48 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: You may have gotten lucky and found a third way. President Trump has a special relationship with the Queen like no other President;, and has said as much. He wants the two families to get together. And he has two marriageable daughters for the Princes and three sons for any Princesses. With that combination the next generation of Trump- Windsors might just rule America and Britain . Make the Empire great again. Of course, the capital of the empire would move to New York, and Donald would get the highest chair, but you could keep the statues and the Ravens. No more health care though. That is socialist. Let peasants die like they used to do. It will be great. The president can teach the Queen how to eat a Big Mac or a Whopper ant the next White House State Dinner. I'm sorry but you have the fiendish plot all wrong....... while everyone is distracted with a Trump / Windsor dynasty misdirection... the Globalists arrange for a left wing, mixed race American to win the heart of the 5th, (now 6th) in line to the throne --- then when she has given birth to the 7th in line... all they have to do is bump off the other 6 and BINGO !! The new King of UK/US will have to have a down to earth name maybe like..... oh I don't know.... like Archie or something ... then when King Archie rules both sides of the pond he can have a sex change, marry one of Barak Obama's daughters - then abdicate and run away to Sweden... convert to Islam and live happily ever after in a secure unit at a specially converted hospital.... It will be great................ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted June 8, 2019 #49 Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, bee said: I'm sorry but you have the fiendish plot all wrong....... while everyone is distracted with a Trump / Windsor dynasty misdirection... the Globalists arrange for a left wing, mixed race American to win the heart of the 5th, (now 6th) in line to the throne --- then when she has given birth to the 7th in line... all they have to do is bump off the other 6 and BINGO !! The new King of UK/US will have to have a down to earth name maybe like..... oh I don't know.... like Archie or something ... then when King Archie rules both sides of the pond he can have a sex change, marry one of Barak Obama's daughters - then abdicate and run away to Sweden... convert to Islam and live happily ever after in a secure unit at a specially converted hospital.... It will be great................ It's sad that this doesn't sound that far removed from your usual theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted June 8, 2019 #50 Share Posted June 8, 2019 16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said: You mean get our sovereignty back. I dont want the UK to part of the new Reich. Nice smear, trying to imply that the EU is somehow connected to Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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