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Brexit Party Odds-on to Win Westminster Seat


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1 hour ago, Setton said:

Yet the same couldn't be said for remainers while the leave campaign was under investigation? 

But where is the actual evidence of any wrong doing by the Brexit Party?

They got raided because Gordon Brown thought they go too many members and too much money too fast.

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1 hour ago, bee said:

 

It's astonishing that Corbyn and Forbes were so comfortable being associated with and photographed with a man who was
actually jailed, in the recent past, for voter fraud.
... but perhaps they had to just hope for the best and cross their fingers
behind their backs because he was too influential to ignore or snub... and their victory depended on the Muslim vote..

they must have known his past history and yet they were happy to be seen with him and photographed shaking his hand -

 

 

 

 

Well if he's happy to associate with known terrorists then shaking the hand of a convicted fraudster is small potatoes for comrade Corbyn.

Besides, he probably employed the guy to swing the muslim vote his way, and it clearly worked. Problem for him doing that though is all the connections with antisemitism that it involves, but hey...as long as he never gets to be prime minister...who cares.

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1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

But where is the actual evidence of any wrong doing by the Brexit Party?

They got raided because Gordon Brown thought they go too many members and too much money too fast.

Where is the evidence of any wrong doing by Labour? 

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22 minutes ago, Setton said:

Where is the evidence of any wrong doing by Labour? 

You have had several links to a live police investigation haven't you?

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22 minutes ago, Setton said:

Where is the evidence of any wrong doing by Labour? 

Perhaps you missed the bit about mr Mahmood being a convicted electoral fraudster. As I said, Labour have form for this.

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14 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

You have had several links to a live police investigation haven't you?

Which is not evidence of any wrong doing by the Labour Party. 

13 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Perhaps you missed the bit about mr Mahmood being a convicted electoral fraudster. As I said, Labour have form for this.

Who is not a member of the Labour Party. 

By contrast, the leave campaign has actually been convicted of breaking electoral law yet remainers are supposed to 'accept defeat gracefully' when leavers won't accept defeat based on the suspicion of some wrong doing. 

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Momentum fined more than £16,000 for multiple breaches of electoral law during 2017 election

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/momentum-fined-electoral-commission-law-corbyn-labour-a8809666.html

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50 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Electoral commission fines Remain campaigners £19,000

https://www.ft.com/content/2f91721d-9512-3c2a-9e0f-4453897183c8

 

 

21 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Labour fined £12,500 over donation declaration failure

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46879000

 

17 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Momentum fined more than £16,000 for multiple breaches of electoral law during 2017 election

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/momentum-fined-electoral-commission-law-corbyn-labour-a8809666.html

And what do any of those have to do with the Peterborough by election? 

Also, can you write it a little bigger? Some friends in Australia are having trouble reading it. 

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2 hours ago, Setton said:

 

 

And what do any of those have to do with the Peterborough by election? 

Also, can you write it a little bigger? Some friends in Australia are having trouble reading it. 

It demonstrates a pattern of behavior.

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2 hours ago, Setton said:

Oh dear. Who'd have thought.

Peterborough by-election fraud inquiry: No 'offences' in three cases

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48680715

 

'Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received, and 400 of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature, or date of birth, or both not matching council records'

would indicate that postal fraud was indeed carried out then, wouldn't you agree.

Since when did councils keep records of signitures.

 

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Being an American I have no vote but I hope the Anatolian Shepherd wins Westminster or maybe a nice Belgian Malinois

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6 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

'Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received, and 400 of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature, or date of birth, or both not matching council records'

would indicate that postal fraud was indeed carried out then, wouldn't you agree.

Since when did councils keep records of signitures.

 

Thats an extraordinary high number of postal votes.

Unless that is an area of the country where half the population are OAPs then questions need to be asked over how at least 9898 of them are registered as postal voters. I smell something fishy.

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6 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

'Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received, and 400 of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature, or date of birth, or both not matching council records'

would indicate that postal fraud was indeed carried out then, wouldn't you agree.

Possibly, as it does in most elections. You omit, however, that none of those 400 were counted in the result. 

All those that were counted did match. 

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Since when did councils keep records of signitures.

They always have for postal votes. Precisely to stop the kind of thing you're insinuating. 

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15 hours ago, Setton said:

Oh dear. Who'd have thought.

Peterborough by-election fraud inquiry: No 'offences' in three cases

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48680715

 

Surely your position is neutral on this matter and you want any allegation looking into. oh dear you say but who for?

What are the other two remaining cases their looking into are they the more serious allegations.

Personally, there is no smoke without fire but its going to be hard to prove anything, its clear what's happened, Labour and Corbyn have courted the local Moslem community, including the local Labour member who as form - a convicted electoral fraudster, having been found guilty in the past he's now wiser, the imam has instructed his followers to vote labour. the postal votes have be applied for by the mosque on behalf of their congregation and simply made sure they all vote in the correct way. - technically no law broken. just mobilised the vote. to us its fishy, but this is how some cultures and communities operate. 

Peterborough was one by-election. it was 167th on the Brexit Parties hit list, they come within a hairs breadth of winning. We've moved on. Let the Police ask the questions and investigate. if there's questions to be answered so be it, if there isn't so be it.

 

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3 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Surely your position is neutral on this matter and you want any allegation looking into. oh dear you say but who for?

For bee mainly. She's so determined these must be true she was coming up with excuses for the police's conclusion before they even made it. 

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What are the other two remaining cases their looking into are they the more serious allegations.

Don't know. Feel free to do your own research. 

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Personally, there is no smoke without fire but its going to be hard to prove anything, its clear what's happened, Labour and Corbyn have courted the local Moslem community, including the local Labour member who as form - a convicted electoral fraudster, having been found guilty in the past he's now wiser, the imam has instructed his followers to vote labour. the postal votes have be applied for by the mosque on behalf of their congregation and simply made sure they all vote in the correct way. - technically no law broken. just mobilised the vote. to us its fishy, but this is how some cultures and communities operate. 

Gosh how dare Labour appeal to a specific demographic. 

Should we be suspicious of the Brexit Party for appealing to nationalists? 

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including the local Labour member who as form - a convicted electoral fraudster, 

Ah-ah-ah nice try but he is no longer a Labour party member. 

If you're going to lie, can you at least try a bit harder. 

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Peterborough was one by-election. it was 167th on the Brexit Parties hit list, they come within a hairs breadth of winning. We've moved on. Let the Police ask the questions and investigate. if there's questions to be answered so be it, if there isn't so be it.

Because this post is so clearly written by one who has moved on... 

By the way, your 'hair's breadth' is the same margin the Conservatives lost by in 2017. All you did was pick up their votes. Which will not get you a majority in parliament and I can't think of any party that would make a coalition with you. 

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6 hours ago, Setton said:

For bee mainly. She's so determined these must be true she was coming up with excuses for the police's conclusion before they even made it. 

Don't know. Feel free to do your own research. 

Gosh how dare Labour appeal to a specific demographic. 

Should we be suspicious of the Brexit Party for appealing to nationalists? 

Ah-ah-ah nice try but he is no longer a Labour party member. 

If you're going to lie, can you at least try a bit harder. 

Because this post is so clearly written by one who has moved on... 

By the way, your 'hair's breadth' is the same margin the Conservatives lost by in 2017. All you did was pick up their votes. Which will not get you a majority in parliament and I can't think of any party that would make a coalition with you. 

Iies? It was reported in the Times. And there is a picture with Corbyn. How much more evidence do you need.

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8 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Iies? It was reported in the Times. And there is a picture with Corbyn. How much more evidence do you need.

Mahmood is not a member of the Labour Party. Which you know perfectly well. 

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just tried to look more into the election fraud allegation about Brexit Party votes being burned ....

as the info stands at the moment ....

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"A MAN understood to be a Labour supporter living in Peterborough has caused a flurry of outrage on Twitter after boasting that he ‘burned’ postal votes that – if true – would have helped The Brexit Party’s Candidate Mike Greene WIN the by-election. 

Police are now investigating the man, named Alan Roddis, who made the claim in a closed group called ‘Peterborough Politics’ – a popular local discussion forum on Facebook that Politicalite has previously exposed as promoting extreme and anti-semitic ideologies, including many made by local Labour activists. 


and here's what the tweet said...

 

She got nominated because 3 people including me burned over a 1000 votes for TBP and laughed while
doing it. Any elections in future where TBP are involved has a Government Directive to make sure many
votes get burned. That is what we have to do now to stop fascist scum like Farage never see power. 

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now.... if this actually happened as said in the tweet and isn't someone trying to wind people up... then this
opens up a whole area of concern... and as usual the people calling other people fascist are themselves
behaving like fascists...

 

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Unfortunately I don't have confidence that the police are going to free to investigate all that about burning
BP votes and the claim that there was / is a Government Directive.... :unsure2:

I'm pretty sure it will all be brushed under the carpet and the investigation quietly dropped at some point...

I hope to be proved wrong about that.... but because the BP are a real threat to the 2 party system I don't
think for one minute that the ''''powers that be''''' are going to go easy on them and everything will be done
by fair means or foul to try to stop the BP getting significant power...

 

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14 minutes ago, bee said:

 

just tried to look more into the election fraud allegation about Brexit Party votes being burned ....

as the info stands at the moment ....

source

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"A MAN understood to be a Labour supporter living in Peterborough has caused a flurry of outrage on Twitter after boasting that he ‘burned’ postal votes that – if true – would have helped The Brexit Party’s Candidate Mike Greene WIN the by-election. 

Police are now investigating the man, named Alan Roddis, who made the claim in a closed group called ‘Peterborough Politics’ – a popular local discussion forum on Facebook that Politicalite has previously exposed as promoting extreme and anti-semitic ideologies, including many made by local Labour activists. 


and here's what the tweet said...

 

She got nominated because 3 people including me burned over a 1000 votes for TBP and laughed while
doing it. Any elections in future where TBP are involved has a Government Directive to make sure many
votes get burned. That is what we have to do now to stop fascist scum like Farage never see power. 

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now.... if this actually happened as said in the tweet and isn't someone trying to wind people up... then this
opens up a whole area of concern... and as usual the people calling other people fascist are themselves
behaving like fascists...

Yeees... Because anyone receiving a secret, mysterious government directive to burn votes would of course immediately post about it on social media :rolleyes:

This guy is almost certainly a troll or a Brexit Party conspiracy theorist. Possibly called bee. 

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1 minute ago, Setton said:

Yeees... Because anyone receiving a secret, mysterious government directive to burn votes would of course immediately post about it on social media :rolleyes:

This guy is almost certainly a troll or a Brexit Party conspiracy theorist. Possibly called bee. 


or in a closed group.... and feeling confident that his back would be covered he couldn't resist bragging
about his part in Lisa Forbes' (now dubious) victory...

that Alan Roddis person (if it was his real name).... might have the kind of personality that wanted some
kind of recognition...and wanted to gloat...

if your theory is correct and the tweet and the person was a troll or plant (which I suppose is your
area of expertise... ^_^ ).... then I presume we will see it all splashed over MSM to discredit the BP...

 

 

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32 minutes ago, bee said:

 

just tried to look more into the election fraud allegation about Brexit Party votes being burned ....

as the info stands at the moment ....

source

quote...

"A MAN understood to be a Labour supporter living in Peterborough has caused a flurry of outrage on Twitter after boasting that he ‘burned’ postal votes that – if true – would have helped The Brexit Party’s Candidate Mike Greene WIN the by-election. 

Police are now investigating the man, named Alan Roddis, who made the claim in a closed group called ‘Peterborough Politics’ – a popular local discussion forum on Facebook that Politicalite has previously exposed as promoting extreme and anti-semitic ideologies, including many made by local Labour activists. 


and here's what the tweet said...

 

She got nominated because 3 people including me burned over a 1000 votes for TBP and laughed while
doing it. Any elections in future where TBP are involved has a Government Directive to make sure many
votes get burned. That is what we have to do now to stop fascist scum like Farage never see power. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


now.... if this actually happened as said in the tweet and isn't someone trying to wind people up... then this
opens up a whole area of concern... and as usual the people calling other people fascist are themselves
behaving like fascists...

 

Government directive? really how likely is that?

how did he get his hands on the votes? Where I live votes are very well protected

Closed group - no such thing in reality and those groups  which nominally claim to be,  normally just require a request to join - hardly a secure environment. 

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