Brexit Party Odds-on to Win Westminster Seat

[Setton]

Just now, itsnotoutthere said:

Explain....im all ears.

No deal parties: 35% of the vote. 

Leave with a deal: 23% of the vote

Remain: 38% of the vote 

 

Apologies, not the least popular - 2nd place. Been a while since I had to try and explain this one. 

[Setton]

9 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

You are not eroding away out Democracy.

Correct. 

That would be trying to bypass parliament and leave without a deal by default. 

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We know you want to remain and you game is to erode leaving step by step until we decide to stay in the EU. It isn't working, it isn't going to work,

Well, yes... 

That's how politics works. You make your case for what you think is best and work to persuade others. From what I'm seeing it is working. A shame the people and their representatives will be denied a voice. 

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open you eyes and see how many of us are against staying.

I count about 5? Not that many. 

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Everyone here is telling you why they voted to leave and none of them are telling you they voted to leave with a deal.

True. Usually 10% is a good sample size. 17, 410,742million voted to leave, so minus the 5 of you... 

Let me know when you have another 17,410, 737 randomly selected leave voters. 

Edited June 27, 2019 by Setton

[itsnotoutthere]

3 minutes ago, Setton said:

No deal parties: 35% of the vote. 

Leave with a deal: 23% of the vote

Remain: 38% of the vote 

 

Apologies, not the least popular - 2nd place. Been a while since I had to try and explain this one. 

I once had a conversation on my doorstep with a Jehovas Witness. He started telling me about god and heaven etc. when I stopped him mid sentence and told him I had a problem with religion and the bible. He asked me to explain. I asked him why there was no mention of dinosaurs in the bible. Quick as a flash he came back with

"Ah...but there is no scientific proof that dinosaurs ever existed"  I never said another word, I just slowly close the door in his face.

You remind me a lot of him.

[hetrodoxly]

11 minutes ago, Setton said:

Doesn't matter, wasn't on the ballot paper. 

#leavelogic

There's always a reason why you vote for something i voted to leave because the only other option was stay, it didn't say stay but not have a vote or representative in the EU.

[Setton]

9 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

I once had a conversation on my doorstep with a Jehovas Witness. He started telling me about god and heaven etc. when I stopped him mid sentence and told him I had a problem with religion and the bible. He asked me to explain. I asked him why there was no mention of dinosaurs in the bible. Quick as a flash he came back with

"Ah...but there is no scientific proof that dinosaurs ever existed"  I never said another word, I just slowly close the door in his face.

You remind me a lot of him.

So no response of any substance. 

You're the one with the inconsistent logic here. 

[Setton]

5 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

There's always a reason why you vote for something i voted to leave because the only other option was stay, it didn't say stay but not have a vote or representative in the EU.

Of course there is. But when I've brought up the leave campaign promise to get a deal, you've shouted it down with 'it wasn't on the ballot paper'. 

So, I'm going to play by your rules: If it wasn't on the ballot paper, it doesn't matter. So I can't say people voted to leave with a deal and you can't say they voted to leave without one. 

All we can say then is that people voted to leave in some unspecified way. Which is what Parliament is pursuing. 

Now, other than because its what you personally want, why should our elected representatives be bypassed om the issue when the electorate didn't say whether they wanted a deal or not?

[itsnotoutthere]

14 minutes ago, Setton said:

So no response of any substance. 

You're the one with the inconsistent logic here. 

"No deal parties: 35% of the vote. 

Leave with a deal: 23% of the vote

Remain: 38% of the vote "

 

See below for some 'substance'

 

And I'm the one with the inconsistant logic!!

If I were you i'd hurry on over to the 'conspiracy' forum, there's a discussion going on about whether or not dinosaurs existed.

Edited June 27, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Setton]

5 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"No deal parties: 35% of the vote. 

Leave with a deal: 23% of the vote

Remain: 38% of the vote "

 

See below for some 'substance'

 

And I'm the one with the inconsistant logic!!

If I were you i'd hurry on over to the 'conspiracy' forum, there's a discussion going on about whether or not dinosaurs existed.

Yes, the Brexit Party was the most popular party. Unsurprising as they campaigned on a single issue. 

That does not equate to no deal being more popular than the alternatives as the deal and remain votes were both split. 

What you can, accurately, say is that remain backing parties attracted more votes than no deal backing parties. 

Precisely what is inconsistent with my logic? Do you think my data is wrong? (it isn't) Or do you just not like what it shows? 

Edited June 27, 2019 by Setton

[itsnotoutthere]

6 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yes, the Brexit Party was the most popular party. Unsurprising as they campaigned on a single issue. 

That does not equate to no deal being more popular than the alternatives as the deal and remain votes were both split. 

What you can, accurately, say is that remain backing parties attracted more votes than no deal backing parties. 

Precisely what is inconsistent with my logic? Do you think my data is wrong? (it isn't) Or do you just not like what it shows? 

Hark.......hear that creaking sound?.......that's me slowly shutting the door.

[Setton]

6 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Hark.......hear that creaking sound?.......that's me slowly shutting the door.

Bye-bye then 

Shame the 'substance' didn't last. 

[hetrodoxly]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Of course there is. But when I've brought up the leave campaign promise to get a deal, you've shouted it down with 'it wasn't on the ballot paper'. 

I didn't, though it's true.

 

1 hour ago, Setton said:

So, I'm going to play by your rules: If it wasn't on the ballot paper, it doesn't matter. So I can't say people voted to leave with a deal and you can't say they voted to leave without one

It's not my rules, but what was stated they'd pursue a deal that included taking back control of our boarders, Making our own laws and negotiating our own trade deals now if this is what you're suggesting you'd be right for once.

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Now, other than because its what you personally want, why should our elected representatives be bypassed om the issue when the electorate didn't say whether they wanted a deal or not?

Because it's personally what you don't want why should a democratic vote be ignored.

[Setton]

6 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

I didn't, though it's true.

 

It's not my rules, but what was stated they'd pursue a deal that included taking back control of our boarders, Making our own laws and negotiating our own trade deals now if this is what you're suggesting you'd be right for once.

Careful backpedalling that fast. 

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Because it's personally what you don't want why should a democratic vote be ignored.

Where have I said it should be ignored? 

I'll wait. Just one quote please. 

[itsnotoutthere]

8 hours ago, Setton said:

Bye-bye then 

Shame the 'substance' didn't last. 

As with the Vehovas witness, if you cannot accept facts there is no point in discussion. Metaphorically speaking, I cannot argue with somebody who believes dinosaurs never existed. 

We'll just leave it for Boris to sort out. 

Edited June 28, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Setton]

33 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

As with the Vehovas witness, if you cannot accept facts there is no point in discussion. Metaphorically speaking, I cannot argue with somebody who believes dinosaurs never existed. 

We'll just leave it for Boris to sort out. 

Yet you just disappear when I post facts. 

Curious. 

[itsnotoutthere]

24 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yet you just disappear when I post facts. 

Curious. 

Interpretation isn't fact. It's guesswork. 

[Setton]

8 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Interpretation isn't fact. It's guesswork. 

Numbers are fact. And you clearly have no answer to them. 

[itsnotoutthere]

31 minutes ago, Setton said:

Numbers are fact. And you clearly have no answer to them. 

Ok, facts. 

3 years ago we were asked one question. to stay, or to leave the EU a binary choice. The majority voted to leave. Forget all the c**p about deal or no deal, that is just a device by vested interests to muddy the waters & string things out.

Recently we had the EU elections, only one party stood on the platform of leave no matter what. Only one party stood on the platform of stay no matter what.

We can ignore all the other mainstream parties because to a lesser or greater extent they are somewhat confused about what they want to do and we have no idea what their followers think, we can only guess.

One party won by a country mile. the other party were obliterated out of existence. 

Those are the facts.....no interpretation necessary.

Edited June 28, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[hetrodoxly]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

Careful backpedalling that fast.

Show me where i'm 'backpedalling'

 

2 hours ago, Setton said:

Where have I said it should be ignored? 

You're saying we should accept a 'deal' at any cost, you know we didn't vote for that, you have the mentality of a 10 year old with their playground politics "na na na you said, na na na you didn't say" if you want to discus this with the big boys grow up.  

[stevewinn]

I see once again the Democracy denier @Settonis out in force with his Diane Abbott abacus.

Recently in Parliament the Remain MP's tried to wrestle Leaving the EU away from the Govt. which was taking authority away from the Govt. Parliament voted on this proposal. thankfully the proposal/amendment was defeated. which meant the Govt has the authority to take us out of the EU even with a No deal.

Now these Remain MP's led by Dominic Grieve and Margaret Becket have announced that in yet another attempt to frustrate the referendum result they will propose amendments on finance legislation on Tuesday to defund vital Government departments in the event of a ‘No Deal’ Brexit. The departments targeted include the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government, Department for Education, and the Department for Work and Pensions. So, going after support structures for disabled people, pensioners and school children all to stop Brexit.

This is the level these Democracy deniers will go to. horrible, horrible people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Electric Scooter]

10 hours ago, Setton said:

No deal parties: 35% of the vote. 

Leave with a deal: 23% of the vote

Remain: 38% of the vote 

 

Apologies, not the least popular - 2nd place. Been a while since I had to try and explain this one. 

Your whole arguments see you jump from distortion to distortion, its funny. So with your present argument you have convinced yourself that 100% of the UK population only voted in the EU elections based on their Brexit wishes. Also, shall I point out that your maths is wrong too because 35 + 23 + 38 isn't 100 (lmao!!!). It is shear arrogance to assume all people voted solely on their Brexit wishes and to assume all votes not for the Brexit Party are votes for staying in the EU or a soft-Brexit. 

I like your thinking though.

It made Trump getting elected hugely entertaining, it made us voting to leave the EU hugely entertaining, and when Boris gives us a Hard-Brexit in a few months its going to be hugely entertaining. Tell me, will your turn up to demonstrate? Or will you up the anti and now engage in reality denial? lol.

 

[itsnotoutthere]

20 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

I see once again the Democracy denier @Settonis out in force with his Diane Abbott abacus.

Recently in Parliament the Remain MP's tried to wrestle Leaving the EU away from the Govt. which was taking authority away from the Govt. Parliament voted on this proposal. thankfully the proposal/amendment was defeated. which meant the Govt has the authority to take us out of the EU even with a No deal.

Now these Remain MP's led by Dominic Grieve and Margaret Becket have announced that in yet another attempt to frustrate the referendum result they will propose amendments on finance legislation on Tuesday to defund vital Government departments in the event of a ‘No Deal’ Brexit. The departments targeted include the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government, Department for Education, and the Department for Work and Pensions. So, going after support structures for disabled people, pensioners and school children all to stop Brexit.

This is the level these Democracy deniers will go to. horrible, horrible people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And 5th columnists. quite literally.

Edited June 28, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[stevewinn]

18 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

And 5th columnists. quite literally.

yes. in every sense of the word.

When i think of fifth Columnists i always think of the book i read.

"Hitler’s British Traitors: The Secret History of Spies, Saboteurs and Fifth Columnists"

I always think, World War II was a desperate time, the whole country was united in their stand against fascism and indeed a puerile, violent system most adolescents would reject, to be sure of being safe we interned German Jews who sought refuge in the UK, yet some very senior people, plotted for us to lose and planned for themselves to be installed as a Nazi Government of the UK working under Hitler, with German jackboots marching through our towns. Some traitors were hung, some were given lengthy prison terms, but all the leaders of this treachery, without exception, were never touched. Members of the senior Aristocrats, Members of Parliament and the House of Lords and some senior Generals, including the retired head of Military Intelligence, were not only involved, some made no secret of their treachery, nor of their fascist thinking. We can only speculate why we knowingly allowed them to side with our enemies, whilst still MP’s and other senior positions in Society.

Would it be different today?

 

[itsnotoutthere]

Fifth columnists :-

"A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation. The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine. Forces gathered in secret can mobilize openly to assist an external attack. This term is also extended to organised actions by military personnel. Clandestine fifth column activities can involve acts of sabotage, disinformation, or espionage executed within defense lines by secret sympathizers with an external force."

Sums remainers up quite accurately.

Edited June 28, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Fifth columnists :-

"A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation. The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine. Forces gathered in secret can mobilize openly to assist an external attack. This term is also extended to organised actions by military personnel. Clandestine fifth column activities can involve acts of sabotage, disinformation, or espionage executed within defense lines by secret sympathizers with an external force."

Sums remainers up quite accurately.

Remainers led by the likes of Grieve fit the description perfectly. remember this isnt the first time they've tried to shut down Govt departments. the HoC has twice declined, albeit narrowly, to rule out a so-called no-deal Brexit, its hard to believe it would agree to such a vindictive move to achieve the same by the back door., their first attempt was to prevent the collection and use of taxes for no deal preparation. (in January this year)

 

[Electric Scooter]

48 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Remainers led by the likes of Grieve fit the description perfectly. remember this isnt the first time they've tried to shut down Govt departments. the HoC has twice declined, albeit narrowly, to rule out a so-called no-deal Brexit, its hard to believe it would agree to such a vindictive move to achieve the same by the back door., their first attempt was to prevent the collection and use of taxes for no deal preparation. (in January this year)

 

Are Captain Risky and Setons both secret EU spies? Do they have secret basements full of EU flags & memorabilia? Or maybe even USSR ones? Or maybe even 3rd Reich ones? Because lets face it they are totally in love with the EU socialist super-state. Not the UK! I wish I could invite them around to my home so that I could subject them both to a range of tests:

1. I would start by seeing if they could stomach tea and biscuits.

2. I would make them watch a game of cricket to see if it breaks them.

3. I would get my 19th century map of the world down off the wall showing the British Empire at its height and ask them a range of questions about it. What colony is this? What goods did we import from there?

4. I would finish by getting out my book about the British Royal Family and ask them to name prominent monarchs (who they should know) going back 200 years.

I bet they would fail all four!