Can Ghost hurt you?

[Habitat]

19 minutes ago, the13bats said:

I accept your blind belief is enough for you i have no idea why you are so deeply obsessed that blind true belief isnt enough for me, and many others.

That's the thing, bats, I don't go on blind belief. You, however, go on blind opposition. Its a psychological issue for you.

[the13bats]

18 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome

Thanks and i admit i didn't know there was a syndrome connected to "true believer" and while i still go along with my personal definition of it i can certanly understand why some here who i call "true believers" might in fact consider it derogatory but i do not mean it that way.

i find the syndrome interesting that even after proven false some TBs still cling to the fantasy and delusion.

I dont much get too enthused over basic simple ghost stories of "a bump in the night" but claims of special powers sure i wanna see that and of course when im greeted with excuses i write it off to BS or in some cases mental disorders.

[the13bats]

9 minutes ago, Habitat said:

That's the thing, bats, I don't go on blind belief. You, however, go on blind opposition. Its a psychological issue for you.

oh now habbie is a psychologist too, you are out there, no doubt about that.

if you have zero proof to present then yes, you are going on blind belief/faith, and since im asking and open to be shown any proof then im not opposing you or blind to the remote highly unlikely basically an impossibility that you will provide proof.

okay, rant and babble some more....

[Golden Duck]

1 minute ago, the13bats said:

Thanks and i admit i didn't know there was a syndrome connected to "true believer" and while i still go along with my personal definition of it i can certanly understand why some here who i call "true believers" might in fact consider it derogatory but i do not mean it that way.

i find the syndrome interesting that even after proven false some TBs still cling to the fantasy and delusion.

I dont much get too enthused over basic simple ghost stories of "a bump in the night" but claims of special powers sure i wanna see that and of course when im greeted with excuses i write it off to BS or in some cases mental disorders.

In Australia it's linked with the Australian Labor Party.  That coincidence gives me a giggle when I see users get upset at being branded a 'true believer'; and then, see them retort with 'Nyet...' or 'Never...'. 

It has to be nothing more than a coincidence.  I just can't credit their socialist paranoia being able to overcome the tyranny of distance.

[Habitat]

1 minute ago, the13bats said:

oh now habbie is a psychologist too, you are out there, no doubt about that.

if you have zero proof to present then yes, you are going on blind belief/faith, and since im asking and open to be shown any proof then im not opposing you or blind to the remote highly unlikely basically an impossibility that you will provide proof.

okay, rant and babble some more....

bats, if I see a bat flying around inside my house, (it happened once, one of those little insectivorous ones), I don't wait for confirmation from the "experts", as to whether that can happen, or the animal exists in the district, I already know, and am beyond further instruction on that point. You however, might opine that it didn't happen, because I can't prove it.

[the13bats]

19 minutes ago, Habitat said:

There is a difference between not believing, and not crediting the possibility, but simply resorting to ridicule, such as the P101 morse code sarcasm. He wouldn't know, but kids himself he does. There is a lot of internal motive involved in that attitude, when the spirit of true enquiry would offer no more than "I don't know".

You are a hypocrite.

enquiry = an act of asking for information.

i credit the possibility and say " show me, prove it" and you go on long physchobabble  word salad rants and in the end offer zero evidence or proof.

[Habitat]

7 minutes ago, the13bats said:

i credit the possibility and say " show me, prove it"

That isn't crediting anything, bats, you know full well I can't prove it, no one ever has, you just think you have a "gotcha" moment. You are almost entirely convinced it is all sham. But you cannot close the deal in your own mind, at least part of your mind won't allow it.

[the13bats]

35 minutes ago, Habitat said:

bats, if I see a bat flying around inside my house, (it happened once, one of those little insectivorous ones), I don't wait for confirmation from the "experts", as to whether that can happen, or the animal exists in the district, I already know, and am beyond further instruction on that point. You however, might opine that it didn't happen, because I can't prove it.

Apples to oranges there...ever you can grasp that.

if you say a bat, a moth, a bird a well known creature flew into your house i will likely believe you no proof necessary, its rather mundane.

if you make an extraordinary claim like you can conjure a huge bat out of hell into your breakfast nook for tea and crumpets thats an extraordinary claim and you bet i will ask for you to show me, prove it,

Depending on how you act after my asking for proof i will either respect you believe it ( even thought your story alone isnt enough for me to believe it ) or i will write you off as being full of bs, mental or both. ( which of course you very likely keep believing your tale  )

Edited August 1, 2019 by the13bats
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[the13bats]

8 minutes ago, Habitat said:

That isn't crediting anything, bats, you know full well I can't prove it, no one ever has, you just think you have a "gotcha" moment. You are almost entirely convinced it is all sham. But you cannot close the deal in your own mind, at least part of your mind won't allow it.

oooh and more physchobabble, i have gotten more "gotchas" on you today that i can count up, you hand them out.

you are so dead wrong in your assuptions about me its hilarious, im not convinced everything under the paranormal supernatural umbrella is a sham, there is no deal hanging in my mind on it,

however it would be very cool if it could be proven, it would also be cool if aliens or bigfoot was proven, but none of it is so far,

it is very crediting it for me to remain open to any proof, and if any comes ill be the first to say, "wow, how cool".

thank you for admitting you cant prove anything i know that was hard for you to say, i fully respect that. i really do

i need to run to wallymart for cat food...see you in the funny papers.

[Habitat]

2 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Apples to oranges there...ever you can grasp that.

if you say a bat, a moth, a bird a well known creature flew into your house i will likely believe you no proof necessary, its rather mundane.

if you make an extraordinary claim like you can conjure a huge bat out of hell into your breakfast nook for tea and crumpets thats an extraordinary claim and you bet i will ask for you to show me, prove it,

Depending on how you act after my asking for proof i will either respect you believe it ( even thought your story alone isnt enough for me ) or i will write you off as being full of bs, mental or both.

Your asking for proof is really pretty silly, bats, inasmuch as you had complete knowledge it could not be produced. You are only using that as a device to "prove" your case, that case being that proof is not produced, because the claims are false. But, not so.

[Habitat]

2 minutes ago, the13bats said:

thank you for admitting you cant prove anything i know that was hard for you to say, i fully respect that

Not hard to say at all, and once again, indications that you handle the truth carelessly, are apparent. 

[onlookerofmayhem]

49 minutes ago, Habitat said:

There is a difference between not believing, and not crediting the possibility, but simply resorting to ridicule, such as the P101 morse code sarcasm. He wouldn't know, but kids himself he does. There is a lot of internal motive involved in that attitude, when the spirit of true enquiry would offer no more than "I don't know".

I don't know if ghosts exist. I don't have any reason to believe they do.

Therefore I can say I don't believe they do.

Same goes for bigfoot, fairies, god, the loch ness monster and all other paranormal/supernatural entities. 

Because I have never seen any shred of evidence for these things, at this point in time until presented with something tangible, it is my rightful decision to reject any such claims.

 

[Habitat]

8 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Because I have never seen any shred of evidence for these things, at this point in time until presented with something tangible, it is my rightful decision to reject any such claims.

I think we can see with many posters here, there is an investment in them being false claims. To be absolutely strictly fair, to those who have told such stories, judgement ought to be suspended.

[the13bats]

10 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Your asking for proof is really pretty silly, bats, inasmuch as you had complete knowledge it could not be produced. You are only using that as a device to "prove" your case, that case being that proof is not produced, because the claims are false. But, not so.

 

Again you are wrong, im not trying to prove anything is false, im just pointing out the fact that one persons blind faith belief, an extraordinary story isnt going to be accepted by all as proof that the case is a fact and true.

 

9 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Not hard to say at all, and once again, indications that you handle the truth carelessly, are apparent. 

more physchobabble, i dont handle "truth" carefully or carelessly.

In before i left, but i got cats here wanting for dinner,

i get it, you crave attention but ill have to pass the wheel to another "team" member...bats is off.

 

[onlookerofmayhem]

42 minutes ago, Habitat said:

To be absolutely strictly fair, to those who have told such stories, judgement ought to be suspended.

In your opinion, not mine.

 

[Habitat]

48 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

In your opinion, not mine.

 

That is where you and the "team", go horribly wrong. And that isn't an opinion, its a fact.

[Habitat]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

that one persons blind faith belief

Not blind faith at all, bats.

[onlookerofmayhem]

4 minutes ago, Habitat said:

That is where you and the "team", go horribly wrong. And that isn't an opinion, its a fact.

The only fact is that is YOUR opinion, man.

You think the "team" are wrong. Even proclaim them to be so.

Yet you admit there is nothing but hearsay to evaluate if one hasn't personally experienced evidence to the contrary.

You say we are wrong. We ask for proof. You say you got none. Where does that leave us? Right back at the beginning with zilch.

Why is your opinion any more valuable than anybody else's? 

Do you not see the hypocrisy in claiming that you DO know something for a FACT and denouncing others for not throwing up their arms and crying, "I don't know!"?

A fact that has never been objectively proven for that matter! And by your admission cannot even be proven.

 

[Habitat]

23 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

The only fact is that is YOUR opinion, man.

Nope, regardless of the subject, upon that which is a matter of uncertainty, unless a reason exists to have to make a judgement, no judgement ought be made. What is it about, say, ghosts, that requires one to make a judgement call ? In the case of many here, it is a psychological need. In truth, it is something that can, and should be left as an open question.

[the13bats]

8 minutes ago, Habitat said:

I think we can see with many posters here, there is an investment in them being false claims. To be absolutely strictly fair, to those who have told such stories, judgement ought to be suspended.

you are being one sided biased to the story tellers side, to be "strictly fair" that door must swing both ways and open to all opinions from all members of a public forum not just opinions you agree with.

I dont judge i form my personal opinions on a case based on information provided including the way the person reacts to replies, some come here wanting, desiring only a paranormal explanation, very close minded not at all how the forum works, and when they dont get the paranormal they het butthurt.

members will post their replies, their opinions of the story some might include prosiac possible explanations to the story, this is very fair.

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, Habitat said:

That is where you and the "team", go horribly wrong. And that isn't an opinion, its a fact.

no, its again your opinion far from fact...stop making up stuff.

[psyche101]

56 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Nope, regardless of the subject, upon that which is a matter of uncertainty, unless a reason exists to have to make a judgement, no judgement ought be made. What is it about, say, ghosts, that requires one to make a judgement call ? In the case of many here, it is a psychological need. In truth, it is something that can, and should be left as an open question.

The only need that seems obvious is your own to self validate your predetermined conclusions. There is plenty of reason to make judgement calls on old superstitions. Namely, we have the knowledge to do so. People such as yourself who have a need to self validate are the only team who would benefit from leaving old tales in the dark and never challenging them. Your approach is as archaic and ignorant as the religious leaders who murdered and locked up those who would dare challenge religion and take it past the open status. 

Your terrible attitude and ignorant approach are just efforts to self validate your great morse code office in the sky idea. You seem to be the only one who doesn't realise that all are onto this. You are just another kook defaulting to the whacky. A representative of the 37 %. 

[Habitat]

 

Just now, psyche101 said:

Namely, we have the knowledge to do so.

You do not have the knowledge, only the supposition of knowledge. What do I say about you, not a science man's rear end !

[Habitat]

8 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

only one who doesn't realise that all are onto this

The team are united in their delusion, that they are apprised of the facts that would quash "woo", or at the very least, they are closing in fast on their target !

[the13bats]

 

 

1 hour ago, Habitat said:

Nope, regardless of the subject, upon that which is a matter of uncertainty, unless a reason exists to have to make a judgement, no judgement ought be made. What is it about, say, ghosts, that requires one to make a judgement call ? In the case of many here, it is a psychological need. In truth, it is something that can, and should be left as an open question.

again i dont make a judgement only a personal opinion and if someone is spewing wild stories and extraordinary claims with zero zip zlitch to back it up then goes ad hominem with just being ask for proof and acts like a walking plie of fertilizer about the whole thing you bet i form the appropriate opinion of the the clown,

you take all this way more serious than i do.

psychological need? lol, no, just fun and entertainment for me to laugh at that type.