FBI release Bigfoot file

[stereologist]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Here is some of my reasoning.

The quantity, quality and consistency of the evidence has convinced me that people on rare occasion have seen something not identified by science. I fully understand the arguments of the 'it's all hoax and misidentification' people but think the credible sightings and videos of normal intelligent people are too consistent. The 'it's all hoax and misidentification' people become just knee-jerk attackers after a time and no longer are thinking as open-minded skeptics.

Also. beyond Bigfoot, I believe on occasions people have encountered many types of 'beyond the normal' things in the so-called paranormal realm so 'Bigfoot' is not such a stretch for me as it would be for one who sees only a materialist universe.

What you try to denigrate as 'magical powers' I see as natural things in a universe in which we only understand the surface.

The quality is not there, there is no consistency, and the quantity shows that science is correct when it points out that the reports are about misidentifications, hoaxes, and tall tales. There is nothing science is missing. As time goes on there is nothing but excuses and more excuses as to why the original idea of some unknown hairy man looking whatever does not exist. It's all about covering up for failure instead of being open minded about the evidence which clearly does not exist despite decades of searching.

Fallacy: "people become just knee-jerk attackers after a time and no longer are thinking as open-minded skeptics."

The only knee jerk attackers are those on the position of BF that pretend it exists despite the complete lack of evidence. The skeptics simply are asking for evidence. They continue to ask for evidence.

The idea that we only understand the surface of the universe is the trite fallback for those that are defending a failed position. This does not address the lack of evidence despite decades and decades of searching.

[Robotic Jew]

4 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The quality is not there, there is no consistency, and the quantity shows that science is correct when it points out that the reports are about misidentifications, hoaxes, and tall tales. There is nothing science is missing. As time goes on there is nothing but excuses and more excuses as to why the original idea of some unknown hairy man looking whatever does not exist. It's all about covering up for failure instead of being open minded about the evidence which clearly does not exist despite decades of searching.

Fallacy: "people become just knee-jerk attackers after a time and no longer are thinking as open-minded skeptics."

The only knee jerk attackers are those on the position of BF that pretend it exists despite the complete lack of evidence. The skeptics simply are asking for evidence. They continue to ask for evidence.

The idea that we only understand the surface of the universe is the trite fallback for those that are defending a failed position. This does not address the lack of evidence despite decades and decades of searching.

I started typing something very similar to this but decided to just concede as I knew there was little chance it would do any good.

[Stiff]

2 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

I started typing something very similar to this but decided to just concede as I knew there was little chance it would do any good.

Snap. 

[stereologist]

1 hour ago, Dark_Grey said:

Hey for all we know, there could be small tears in space time that open randomly in remote places allowing Bigfoot type creatures to pass through the void in to our dimension. Maybe certain areas in the Pacific Northwest have higher than normal pockets of electro-magnetic radiation. As much as we like to pretend we know what's going on, any Physicist worth his salt will tell you they have a lot more questions than answers the deeper we dig in to the fabric that binds the Universe. Anything is possible - anything.

I like this line

If there can be such a thing as small tears in space time that open randomly can you explain these problems:

1. Why do people think an entire animal should be able to pass through?

2. Why aren't these things seen in the lab?

3. Why do they have to happen out of sight such as in a remote area?

4. Why would EM radiation which basically runs the entire world not be detected? If it isn't gravity it must be EM. 

No. This is plain wrong: "Anything is possible - anything." 

A human can grow wings and fly? A fish can swim through rocks? The Moon can turn into cheese? 

[Megaro]

The chain of custody and method of collection of the hair sample is just as important as the conclusion.

Edited June 6, 2019 by Megaro
Content to include method of collection

[Dejarma]

2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

The work of a true open-minded skeptic is never done. 

you're describing a believer here....

 

[Robotic Jew]

1 hour ago, Megaro said:

The chain of custody and method of collection of the hair sample is just as important as the conclusion.

I was a bit suspicious of the findings when I learned that they had the sample delivered by duct taping it to the back of a doe.

[papageorge1]

38 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

you're describing a believer here....

 

open-minded skeptics like myself are neither believers nor non-believers. We follow the evidence and argumentation objectively and use reason.

[RoofGardener]

1 hour ago, stereologist said:

If there can be such a thing as small tears in space time that open randomly can you explain these problems:

1. Why do people think an entire animal should be able to pass through?

.......

I love the idea of ".. an entire animal". 

"Hey honey, look at this. I've just found the upper half of a Bigfoot. Except... it doesn't have ANY feet anymore, of ANY size. "

[Robotic Jew]

4 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

I love the idea of ".. an entire animal". 

"Hey honey, look at this. I've just found the upper half of a Bigfoot. Except... it doesn't have ANY feet anymore, of ANY size. "

And thus began the enduring legend of Nofoot.

[stereologist]

4 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

open-minded skeptics like myself are neither believers nor non-believers. We follow the evidence and argumentation objectively and use reason.

There is no evidence in support of a BF. There is nothing but evidence of the existence of opossums, deer, bear, elk, and other known animals.

You are not open minded to the evidence. You are definitely not a skeptic. You are a close minded believer and that is proven beyond a doubt by your posts.

 

[stereologist]

Reason doesn't move off to fairy tale land with made up stories with  no supporting evidence.

No, body, no body parts, no teeth, no bones, no hairs, not a thing.

There is the same level of evidence for tree dwelling octopuses of the Pacific Northwest.

Am I going to suppose that these octopus are interdimensional creatures or extremely smart or bury their dead?

https://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/

I don't think I will. 

[papageorge1]

17 minutes ago, stereologist said:

There is no evidence in support of a BF. There is nothing but evidence of the existence of opossums, deer, bear, elk, and other known animals.

You are not open minded to the evidence. You are definitely not a skeptic. You are a close minded believer and that is proven beyond a doubt by your posts.

 

and to me.....you show yourself as closed-minded by your own words

[Dejarma]

37 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

open-minded skeptics like myself are neither believers nor non-believers. We follow the evidence and argumentation objectively and use reason.

oh right, silly me

[Idiotpickle]

9 hours ago, AllPossible said:

If bigfoot is real why have we never came across a dead one? Are the vultures that fast?

I've always figured that if they were real (and I think they are) it would have something to do with ritual cannibalism. It seems like they're intelligent enough to have a practice for death, and when walking around in the great outdoors, how often do you request a DNA test of a pile of turd? There's also the theory of multiple dimension traveling which is interesting if nothing else.

[stereologist]

20 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

and to me.....you show yourself as closed-minded by your own words

Let me give you examples of your close minded approach and then you can try to support your obvious fallacious case.

1. You chirp out the same pointless blather about quantity, quality, and consistency yet never provide a single example.
2. You choose to side with the paranormal yet there is no evidence that the paranormal exists.
3. Here is a fantasy statement not based on evidence "Many of us hold that Bigfoot is real but has attributes and abilities we would call paranormal"
4. Another fantasy/delusional statement not based on evidence "We are outside our box with this creature."
5. Here is a false statement: "but think the credible sightings and videos of normal intelligent people are too consistent."  Please tell us all what is consistent.
6. Here is a vague statement typical of the fringe and woo: "The quantity, quality and consistency of the evidence has convinced me that people on rare occasion have seen something not identified by science." Such as? And there is no evidence just tall tales. If there were any evidence then this would be a different matter.

One of the few non fantasy comments: "I have heard of hair samples coming back as things other than the 'deer family' including 'unknown primate'. "

You are of course referring to a hoax story. We can all make such a mistake.

A likely problem is that you do not clearly understand these topics so here is a simple video that will assist you.

 

[stereologist]

15 minutes ago, Idiotpickle said:

I've always figured that if they were real (and I think they are) it would have something to do with ritual cannibalism. It seems like they're intelligent enough to have a practice for death, and when walking around in the great outdoors, how often do you request a DNA test of a pile of turd? There's also the theory of multiple dimension traveling which is interesting if nothing else.

If you though that a scat pile were due to something unusual then it could be preserved. It would show feeding habits. The way that the material is broken up by the teeth can indicate species. For example, gray and black rhinos cut plants in different ways. A DNA test can indicate diet and possibly show the type of animal that dropped the load.

The "multiple dimension traveling" idea is science fiction. There is zero evidence of other dimensions from the lab or anywhere else yet people use this excuse to cover up for the fact that no evidence exists. The excuses are more complex than the reality of the situation.

[khazarkhum]

17 minutes ago, Idiotpickle said:

I've always figured that if they were real (and I think they are) it would have something to do with ritual cannibalism. It seems like they're intelligent enough to have a practice for death, and when walking around in the great outdoors, how often do you request a DNA test of a pile of turd? There's also the theory of multiple dimension traveling which is interesting if nothing else.

It is extraordinarily, exceedingly rare to find a dead animal in the wild. Between predators, scavengers, and weather, most animals quickly return to the earth.

[Idiotpickle]

4 minutes ago, khazarkhum said:

It is extraordinarily, exceedingly rare to find a dead animal in the wild. Between predators, scavengers, and weather, most animals quickly return to the earth.

This is very true, though I question this theory. I'm 27 and in the ten years I've been actively outdoorsy I've come across the corpse of almost every single type of animal native to my region, and there are many people far more outdoorsy than me. Though I agree with you, it seems like something must have been done to the corpse for no one to have obtained one by now.

6 minutes ago, stereologist said:

If you though that a scat pile were due to something unusual then it could be preserved. It would show feeding habits. The way that the material is broken up by the teeth can indicate species. For example, gray and black rhinos cut plants in different ways. A DNA test can indicate diet and possibly show the type of animal that dropped the load.

The "multiple dimension traveling" idea is science fiction. There is zero evidence of other dimensions from the lab or anywhere else yet people use this excuse to cover up for the fact that no evidence exists. The excuses are more complex than the reality of the situation.

It could indeed be preserved in scat, what I'm saying is that rather than investigating something telltale like a footprint or bit of hair, most people wouldn't think to obtain a sample of a random turd in the woods. And I'm not convinced on dimension traveling either, myself lol.

[XenoFish]

2 hours ago, stereologist said:

A fish can swim through rocks?

Or post on the internet.

[XenoFish]

8 minutes ago, Idiotpickle said:

And I'm not convinced on dimension traveling either, myself lol.

We already travel in 4 dimensions.

[Piney]

56 minutes ago, khazarkhum said:

It is extraordinarily, exceedingly rare to find a dead animal in the wild. Between predators, scavengers, and weather, most animals quickly return to the earth.

But I have skulls from dead everything....except Bigfoot. 

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

Is it big?

[Piney]

9 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

small tears in space time

 

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If that happens the Universe is in deep ****. 

9 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

If Bigfoot exists ,why has no one marked the spot where it has been seen , then call in a professional tracker to follow its tracks to where it might live . 

I'm in the phone book and easy to reach through this site. 

[the13bats]

lucid  i missed the orginal byrne write up, i liked the guy  no, i do not agree with all his theories or motives, i like less and less how he stole holy relics from a monks monastery, i dont care how badly he wanted a sample went they said no, if a man of integrity he would have have honored that, and after all that no real testing was ever done.

im not surprised he tried to pull one with the gov for freebies, this is a guy who has lived his whole life on handouts, a escentric, charismatic mooch is still a mooch, and he had no reason to be $$$ in the bank and fees for apperences, books etc, but he got used to handouts, i stopped speaking to a buddy of 30 years for being a mooch.

not shocked he doesnt remember pestering the fbi for hair testing, he likely felt they were the best at the time perhaps they were, but without DNA im not sure i believe that 100% of the time that old type on hair analysis was flawless, no, not saying i support bf being real but i do support definitive testing and i saw what one so called expert thought was bf hair was actually plant material.

the threads jumped around into areas i have no interest and i will move on to chores....