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New Evidence Proves Israel Attacked USS Liber

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Phaeton80
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So I posted a thread about all the instances of Israeli agression against the USA *snip*

Heres an update on one of those instances..

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New Evidence Proves Israel Attacked USS Liberty With Orders to Kill 294 Americans

Fresh evidence presented in an exclusive Al Jazeera investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans proves the incident was not a mistake. Since 1967 the ‘official story‘ has been that Israel simply misidentified the American ship as Egyptian for several hours. Israel apologized to the United States and for several decades we’ve been led to believe that this could be the only explanation for why Israeli jets and torpedo boats would launch rockets, missiles and torpedoes at an American target for more than two hours.

https://theantimedia.com/new-evidence-proves-israel-attacked-uss-liberty-orders-sink-ship-kill-294-americans/

And..

https://washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/attack-uss-liberty-failed-false-flag-israel-united-states.html

 


A heart- wrenching vdo everyone, especially Americans, should watch..

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Removed flamebait, trimmed article length due to copyright
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Sir Smoke aLot
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Survivor testimonies were striking, to say the least. Crazy case which was never investigated and as i understand not many Americans are aware of this, even people who work with military. If that trip to Malta was not clue to cover up, regardless of every other evidence, well, it's no wonder that no investigation was done and that sailors were forbidden to mention anything about it. 

One thing i can not find confirmation about (because there is just no credible source) is that Nuclear armed fighter-bomber class US navy jets, two of them, were on route to Cairo to retaliate right after the attack on USS Liberty. As some authors claim, disaster was stopped in last moment. I know it's a wild claim but alleged source is from the leading officers.

[edit] to add: to mention Liberty is forbidden by law in some US states now because it falls under '' campaign against Israel '' or what else. New anti semitism.

From article, 2nd link you posted: ''Indeed, President Lyndon Johnson dispatched nuclear-armed fighter jets to drop nuclear bombs on Cairo, Egypt.  They were only recalled at the last minute, when Johnson realized that it was the Israelis – and not the Egyptians – who had fired on the Liberty.''

So it's not so rarely mentioned, as i believed. Those attempts to nuke Cairo were not only imagination.

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Eldorado

Here's a website packed with info for those interested in the USS Liberty...

http://www.gtr5.com/Reports.htm

"The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own."

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"We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers."

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Phaeton80
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20 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Here's a website packed with info for those interested in the USS Liberty...

http://www.gtr5.com/Reports.htm

"The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own."

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"We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers."


Misinterpreted, post removed (refreshingly, by myself this time ;-).

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preacherman76

This was a really strange situation. I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but what was the motive here? 

Israel had basically won the war at this point. Why try to provoke our involvement? 

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Phaeton80
15 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

This was a really strange situation. I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but what was the motive here? 

Israel had basically won the war at this point. Why try to provoke our involvement? 


One possible motive..

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"The United Nations had adopted a cease-fire resolution and they [the Israelis] feared there might not be enough time to accomplish this objective without, as it were, going into overtime.

The Liberty’s presence and function were known to Israel’s leaders. They presumably thought it vital that the Liberty be prevented from informing Washington of their intentions to violate any cease-fire before they had completed their occupation of the Golan. Their solution was brutal and direct. Israeli aircraft determined the exact location of the ship and undertook a combined air-naval attack…

By permitting a cover-up of Israel’s attack on the Liberty, President Johnson told the Israelis in effect that nothing they did would induce American politicians to refuse their bidding. From that time forth, the Israelis began to act as if they had an inalienable right to American aid and backing.

https://www.amazon.com/Passionate-Attachment-Americas-Involvement-Present/dp/0393029336/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279036298&sr=8-1

 

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Phaeton80

Heres an article from one of the survivors of this blatant hushed up warcrime against US servicemen.. alluding to another possible motive:
 

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Did Israel’s Armed Forces Commit One War Crime to Hide Another?

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, readers know the story well. In 1967 on the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the armed forces of Israel attacked the American intelligence ship USS Liberty for 90 minutes in international waters in broad daylight following several hours of close, low-level reconnaissance. Thirty-four men died, 171 were hurt, and the ship was so badly damaged that it had to be scrapped.

The government of Israel has lied about the circumstances ever since, telling a story markedly different from that told by American survivors. Congress has refused to question Israel’s demonstrably false account, even though the State Department’s own analysis finds the Israeli story to be untrue.

Yet the most pressing question remaining from that infamy is not whether the attack was deliberate. That was settled long ago for most reasonable people. The question is why Israel risked its cozy relationship with America by killing American seaman on the high seas.

Indeed, spokesmen for Israel use that question in Israel’s defense. Why, they ask, would Israel risk alienating its American friends?

So why did Israel attack?

Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he witnessed Israeli troops executing Egyptian prisoners on the morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinai town of El Arish.

Bron reported that he saw about 150 Egyptian POWs being held at the El Arish airport where they were sitting on the ground, densely crowded together with their hands held on the back of their necks. Every few minutes, Bron writes, Israeli soldiers would escort an Egyptian POW from the group to a hearing conducted by two men in Israeli army uniforms. Then the man would be taken away, given a spade, and forced to dig his own grave.

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James Ennes, a survivor of Israel's 1967 attack on the USS Liberty, is the author of Assault on the Liberty

https://www.wrmea.org/1996-may-june/did-israel-s-armed-forces-commit-one-war-crime-to-hide-another.html

 

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pallidin
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I see the pro-Islamic propaganda "war machine" against Israel and America is at it again (as always)

The entire thrust of the article are propoganda efforts to have Americans distrust Israel, so that as pro-Islamic militants continue attacks on Israel, America will do nothing.

That's all it is!!!!!!!

Edit: Just checked your "sources" and they are all pro-Islamic.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

but what was the motive here?

Maybe they were punishing Johnson for not helping?  Or maybe it actually WAS a friendly fire incident that some are still trying to use in an attempt to split the alliance.  Listening to the stories of those who suffered that day does not prove that they understood why it happened.  The deaths and injuries were acknowledged, apologized for and reparations paid.  It was war and they were near it to snoop on both sides.

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pallidin
2 minutes ago, and then said:

...Or maybe it actually WAS a friendly fire incident that some are still trying to use in an attempt to split the alliance...

Exactly.

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Gromdor

It wasn't friendly fire....  It went on for hours.  Not that you can confuse a US military warship flying an American flag and clearly defined hull markings with an Egyptian one......

Also something to point out-  We don't have a formal alliance with Israel to split.

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pallidin
32 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

It wasn't friendly fire....  It went on for hours.  Not that you can confuse a US military warship flying an American flag and clearly defined hull markings with an Egyptian one......

Also something to point out-  We don't have a formal alliance with Israel to split.

As a 1967 event, 52 years ago, with ZERO repeat, this has absolutely no relevance today.

 

 

 

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Gromdor
15 minutes ago, pallidin said:

As a 1967 event, 52 years ago, with ZERO repeat, this has absolutely no relevance today.

 

 

 

Then why are you and I talking about it?

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pallidin

Exactly. I'm not sure...  :blink:

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pallidin
6 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Then why are you and I talking about it?

Because the pro-Islamic weirdos are attempting to create strife between America and Israel, so that they can attack Israel with some sort of a bizarre mindset of impunity.

Remember that ALL of the original "sources" are pro-Islamic.

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pallidin

And, recall that fundamentalist Islam is downright and openly dangerous.

If not for that, they would be decidedly amusing.

 

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Lemieux
55 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Then why are you and I talking about it?

WHY, are you guys talking about it???
 
Well, it would appear that you guys are talking about it because pallidin decided to come into this thread with a ridiculous post about some "pro-Islamic propaganda "war machine" against Israel and America"... hence your conversation. But unfortunately in response to your question of WHY you are talking about it, pallidin follows that up with "Exactly. I'm not sure". :rolleyes:
 
And let's not forget that today's the anniversary of the attack... so it sort of DOES has some relevance "today".
 
Here's a huge article form the Chicago Tribune in 2007... I suppose they're part of the "pro-Islamic propaganda "war machine" against Israel and America" as well? :tu: ...
 
- "An Israeli military court of inquiry later acknowledged that their naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the odd-looking ship ... was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy,"
 
- "The Israeli inquiry later concluded that that information had simply gotten lost..."
 
- "... internal White House documents obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library show that the Israelis' explanation of how the mistake had occurred was not believed."
 
- "The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate," the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress."
 
- "I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director, said in an interview.
 
- "The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag."
 
- "The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."
 
- "It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. "Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to 'complete the job' and get out of there."
 
- "The transcripts Block remembered seeing "were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack," Block said. "The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?"
 
- "And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"
 
34 patriotic Americans were literally murdered that day, and it's been covered up ever since... that's why it's still relevant today.
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Imaginarynumber1
1 hour ago, pallidin said:

Exactly. I'm not sure...  :blink:

Probably cause today is the anniversary of the attack

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Lemieux
10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

This was a really strange situation. I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but what was the motive here? 

Israel had basically won the war at this point. Why try to provoke our involvement? 

I don't think it was to try and "provoke" the U.S. ... except perhaps to provoke the U.S. into attacking Egypt.
But there could have been other, and/or, multiple reasons.
 
For instance, at the time, President Johnson had stated that Israel would not "stand alone" against its hostile Arab neighbors, unless Israel "acted alone"... to paraphrase.

And the initial story was that Israel had been attacked first and responded accordingly, which we now know is false.
Here's some of the newspaper clippings from the time...
 
 

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preacherman76
3 hours ago, and then said:

Maybe they were punishing Johnson for not helping?  Or maybe it actually WAS a friendly fire incident that some are still trying to use in an attempt to split the alliance.  Listening to the stories of those who suffered that day does not prove that they understood why it happened.  The deaths and injuries were acknowledged, apologized for and reparations paid.  It was war and they were near it to snoop on both sides.

Hey and then. How have you been bro?

I think it’s unlikely this was a friendly fire incident. If even half of what that crew said was true, and I see no reason not to believe them, then they were willfully knowingly attacked. 

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Gromdor
1 hour ago, Lemieux said:
WHY, are you guys talking about it???
 
Well, it would appear that you guys are talking about it because pallidin decided to come into this thread with a ridiculous post about some "pro-Islamic propaganda "war machine" against Israel and America"... hence your conversation. But unfortunately in response to your question of WHY you are talking about it, pallidin follows that up with "Exactly. I'm not sure". :rolleyes:
 
And let's not forget that today's the anniversary of the attack... so it sort of DOES has some relevance "today".
 
Here's a huge article form the Chicago Tribune in 2007... I suppose they're part of the "pro-Islamic propaganda "war machine" against Israel and America" as well? :tu: ...
 
- "An Israeli military court of inquiry later acknowledged that their naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the odd-looking ship ... was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy,"
 
- "The Israeli inquiry later concluded that that information had simply gotten lost..."
 
- "... internal White House documents obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library show that the Israelis' explanation of how the mistake had occurred was not believed."
 
- "The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate," the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress."
 
- "I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director, said in an interview.
 
- "The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag."
 
- "The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."
 
- "It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. "Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to 'complete the job' and get out of there."
 
- "The transcripts Block remembered seeing "were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack," Block said. "The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?"
 
- "And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"
 
34 patriotic Americans were literally murdered that day, and it's been covered up ever since... that's why it's still relevant today.

My asking, "Then why are we talking about it?" was a rhetorical question....

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49 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Hey and then. How have you been bro?

I think it’s unlikely this was a friendly fire incident. If even half of what that crew said was true, and I see no reason not to believe them, then they were willfully knowingly attacked. 

To what purpose?  Realistically, what would it gain them?

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Grey Area

What I think is particularly suspect about this is the claim that the first reaction was to launch nuclear ordnance.

That is not the first reaction to any conventional attack unprovoked or otherwise, certainly not the response to a nation that has no nuclear capability, even at the height of the Cold War.

That said, with Mossad’s cold efficiency during the 6 day war, I wouldn’t have put it past them taking a gamble like this to provoke western military action against their enemies.

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12 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

What I think is particularly suspect about this is the claim that the first reaction was to launch nuclear ordnance.

That is not the first reaction to any conventional attack unprovoked or otherwise, certainly not the response to a nation that has no nuclear capability, even at the height of the Cold War.

That said, with Mossad’s cold efficiency during the 6 day war, I wouldn’t have put it past them taking a gamble like this to provoke western military action against their enemies.

She was a SIGINT vessel, right? Unless they all shut off their IFF and simultaneously jammed ALL radio communications, they had to know they'd be ID'd.  

Also, using a nuke as a first response to the attack on a single U.S. vessel is so stupid as to be laughable.  I doubt we'd do that if the single vessel was a supercarrier.

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One last point I'll make on this general idea.  If today Israel determined that their "ally", America, was working to take them down with proxies, they would have my approval if they attacked the most proximate threats against themselves - even if that were the U.S. forces in theater.  We are far from blameless in the troubles of the world, though we hardly lead the pack in that area.  I don't believe it was impossible that they attacked the Liberty with reasons of their own but I haven't seen those reasons yet.  

 

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