Daughter of the Nine Moons Posted June 9, 2019 #1 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Some links https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/09/vast-protest-in-hong-kong-against-extradition-law-china https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-protest-china-extradition-bill-1.5168239 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48572130 https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/08/asia/hong-kong-extradition-bill-protest-intl/index.html 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted June 9, 2019 #2 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Around 15% of their entire population marching. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 9, 2019 #3 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) Mmmm. Anyone suspect the fingerprints of the State Department/CIA? It's the usual tactics. Stir up "protests" in whichever country you've selected as your current preferred Adversary, in the hope that it will prompt the government to crack down. Works every time. Well, it didn't in Venezuela, but we don't talk about that any more. Edited June 9, 2019 by Dumbledore the Awesome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 9, 2019 #4 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Or maybe it's just people that know what this bill will mean to their future and they aren't yet too gutless to fight for that freedom - like so many others fail to do? Hmmm... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Old Man Posted June 13, 2019 #5 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Very big issues in S-Korea too, while some Korean mass media which got money from China is afraid to discuss that "protest". Even some media calls that protest as "riots", really shocking. It seems clear that If Hong Kong, Taiwan bow their heads to china, next target is ROK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 13, 2019 #6 Share Posted June 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Great Old Man said: Very big issues in S-Korea too, while some Korean mass media which got money from China is afraid to discuss that "protest". Even some media calls that protest as "riots", really shocking. It seems clear that If Hong Kong, Taiwan bow their heads to china, next target is ROK. Hong Kong was unexpected but if they give up now, they're done, there will be no coming back. I hope that the Chinese realize that the Tiananmen approach isn't going to help them here. OTOH, if they bend to such pressure in the open, what happens if their citizens in China, proper, get rowdy? This could get ugly. Capitalism is a tiger they're having to ride and they might not know how to dismount. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted June 14, 2019 #7 Share Posted June 14, 2019 12 hours ago, Great Old Man said: Very big issues in S-Korea too, while some Korean mass media which got money from China is afraid to discuss that "protest". Even some media calls that protest as "riots", really shocking. It seems clear that If Hong Kong, Taiwan bow their heads to china, next target is ROK. Well, it would have been 'big issues' if instead of the S you had a N in front of Korea. South Korea has never had it so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 14, 2019 #8 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/9/2019 at 4:42 PM, Dumbledore the Awesome said: Mmmm. Anyone suspect the fingerprints of the State Department/CIA? It's the usual tactics. Stir up "protests" in whichever country you've selected as your current preferred Adversary, in the hope that it will prompt the government to crack down. Works every time. Well, it didn't in Venezuela, but we don't talk about that any more. You haven't been paying attention to Hong Kong Chinese relations for the last decade. The protest is not a suprise. I think it's pretty faulty to try to give the U.S credit/blame for the work of activist in China. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted June 14, 2019 #9 Share Posted June 14, 2019 How about the Chinese media propaganda machine? Chinese state media has been slammed for “blatant Orwellian lying” about the Hong Kong protests after China Daily reported more than 800,000 people had pledged support for the extradition reforms. link 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 14, 2019 #10 Share Posted June 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: I think it's pretty faulty to try to give the U.S credit/blame for the work of activist in China. He can't help himself. He sees U.S. or Israeli fingerprints on nearly every nefarious action on the planet. The law of averages will mean he's correct part of the time. The rest...not so much. This simmering problem in Hong Kong has been growing quietly for years. The youth (an undersized population %) are afraid of China's plans and want their freedom. I'm afraid the only thing that will keep them from being crushed will be the force of international PR against China. I wish them well in their struggle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted June 15, 2019 #11 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) This is nothing, China already “invites” people from Hong Kong etc to the Mainland to discuss issues, they don’t need new laws in order to do so further. I predict within two years China will be demanding the extradition of a Chinese National who has become a legal citizen of another nation (probably Australia) over “crimes against China”. Edited June 15, 2019 by Sir Wearer of Hats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 15, 2019 #12 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: This is nothing, China already “invites” people from Hong Kong etc to the Mainland to discuss issues, they don’t need new laws in order to do so further. I predict within two years China will be demanding the extradition of a Chinese National who has become a legal citizen of another nation (probably Australia) over “crimes against China”. Yeah I'm happy about the protest but sadly I do not expect it will do much to stem the flow of China's control over them. China made it very clear how protest will not do anything with Tiananimen Square. Edited June 15, 2019 by spartan max2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred_mc Posted June 16, 2019 #13 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) On 2019-06-14 at 2:48 AM, Black Red Devil said: Well, it would have been 'big issues' if instead of the S you had a N in front of Korea. South Korea has never had it so good. Well, it depends on what you mean with good. People in South Korea are studying/working from early in the morning to late at night, to at least some degree even on Saturdays, and in case there is much to do also on Sundays (at least on a Samsung development center in South Korea that we had contacts with at my job some years ago they were normally working on Saturdays and during periods with much work also on Sundays). It doesn't seem to be much of a life if you ask me, to study/work that much and have so little spare time so I wouldn't want to live in South Korea. I've also understood that society in South Korea is very hierarchical, which I think is not very good, I like flat organizations where everyone can make their voice heard. In that regard, it is similar to North Korea, which is also a hierarchical society. Edited June 16, 2019 by fred_mc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 17, 2019 #14 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Some more news The Hong Kong leader rejected the extridition law and apologized for it. However the protesters are still growing in numbers because the apology was not good enough. They are mad. Quote the streets of Hong Kong on Sunday with renewed determination and a lengthening list of demands, rejecting the government’s retreat on a contentious extradition bill and extending the political crisis gripping the semiautonomous territory. Hong Kong’s embattled leader, Carrie Lam, shelved the bill on Saturday and followed that up with a rare apology the next day, actions that pro-democracy activists dismissed as too little, too late. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/world/asia/carrie-lam-hong-kong-protests.html Edited June 17, 2019 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Old Man Posted June 17, 2019 #15 Share Posted June 17, 2019 On 2019. 6. 16. at 6:00 PM, fred_mc said: Well, it depends on what you mean with good. People in South Korea are studying/working from early in the morning to late at night, to at least some degree even on Saturdays, and in case there is much to do also on Sundays (at least on a Samsung development center in South Korea that we had contacts with at my job some years ago they were normally working on Saturdays and during periods with much work also on Sundays). It doesn't seem to be much of a life if you ask me, to study/work that much and have so little spare time so I wouldn't want to live in South Korea. I've also understood that society in South Korea is very hierarchical, which I think is not very good, I like flat organizations where everyone can make their voice heard. In that regard, it is similar to North Korea, which is also a hierarchical society. Indeed, It makes me sad when I had to work in late night. Too much chicken race. Hierarchical culture is very common among Asian countries. Can you believe ROK is the least hierarchical society among China, Japan, DPRK? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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