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Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World

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Desertrat56
27 minutes ago, tmcom said:

No, no Disney cartoons here.

But 2018 was the hottest year on record, and it had cyclones, and tidal waves, and,....(ignore the snow in the desert, damm fake news).

Yes, l definitely need one of those, lol,

Warning, fast moving projectiles are shown in this video, and may contribute to Global Warming!

:P

Are you saying it does not snow in the desert?  I know it snows in the desert.  I did not watch the videos but what you said about ignoring the snow in the desert did not make sense.    Have you never been to a desert in the winter?

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tmcom

Geesh, you guys need to take a break from all of this impending doom stuff, this thread is mainly about, well it speaks for itself. And l may inject something serious, but tend to post that on the other thread.

:rolleyes:B)

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Desertrat56
11 minutes ago, tmcom said:

Geesh, you guys need to take a break from all of this impending doom stuff, this thread is mainly about, well it speaks for itself. And l may inject something serious, but tend to post that on the other thread.

:rolleyes:B)

You have to pay attention to who is literal minded.  :lol:

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Doug1o29
25 minutes ago, tmcom said:

Geesh, you guys need to take a break from all of this impending doom stuff, this thread is mainly about, well it speaks for itself. And l may inject something serious, but tend to post that on the other thread.

:rolleyes:B)

"Facts, Sir.  Just the facts."

--Sgt. Friday, Dragnet

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docyabut2
On ‎6‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 3:05 AM, tmcom said:

I know this can cover a lot of things, but since this section is for impending doom dogma, by Secular Humanists on a bender, that will be the main theme.

So any related products, videos, the sillier the better. I don't personally know had much this pseudo-science has filtered into the retail sector, but that is why this thread is here.

And sure, the entertainment value. Ok, l will start.

So a fake GCI polar bear comes to London, and everyone ignores it, except some kid, well she ignores it as well. But l have to admit that l do feel sympathy,....for the n....nuts that made this.

This person got it! YT comments.

And we can't leave 5 years olds out.

What do l think of the earth in this video,...l won't answer that but she spelt Travesty, so.

The rest, l guess brainwash them when they are young and you will have a registered voter for life.

This is the tip of the iceberg, lol, so yeah, post what you can find, we need to know and also need a laugh.

B)

The polar bear might not exist. when some animals did`nt exist 10,000 12,000  years ago. Nothing to do with mans destruction, but the cause of  natural climate changes.    

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Doug1o29
1 hour ago, docyabut2 said:

The polar bear might not exist. when some animals did`nt exist 10,000 12,000  years ago. Nothing to do with mans destruction, but the cause of  natural climate changes.    

12,000 years ago we had just entered the Younger Dryas Cold Period.  Most mammoths and other large North American mammals had been extinct for about 500 years.  Polar bears were still very much alive.

About 400 years later it started to warm up again.  This was coincident with the collapse of the Baltic Ice Dam.

So let me see if I understand what you're saying:  in about 400 years a large ice dam is going to collapse and the world will get warmer?

Doug

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31 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said:

12,000 years ago we had just entered the Younger Dryas Cold Period.  Most mammoths and other large North American mammals had been extinct for about 500 years.  Polar bears were still very much alive.

About 400 years later it started to warm up again.  This was coincident with the collapse of the Baltic Ice Dam.

So let me see if I understand what you're saying:  in about 400 years a large ice dam is going to collapse and the world will get warmer?

Doug

Its to bad the Polar bears  will not exist any more when the artics melt. Its not the man`s fault,  but just from the cause of  natural climate changes,a future :)

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Doug1o29
16 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Its to bad the Polar bears  will not exist any more when the artics melt. Its not the man`s fault,  but just from the cause of  natural climate changes,a future :)

Polar bears survived the Altithermal when the Arctic Ocean melted free of ice, except for some shorebound ice in the Canadian islands.  They will survive this melt-off, too.

The Altithermal was caused by changes in the earth's orbital mechanics and axial tilt.  That was natural.  If it weren't for us, the climate would now be about 1.8 degrees cooler than it is.  So, yes, it is humanity's collective fault.

Maybe we shouldn't call it a fault.  That assigns blame.  We have created the problem through our own ignorance of the consequences and our desire for a better life.  We now have an opportunity to make a better life for ourselves:  one with clean, low-cost energy, more efficient cars (a "fillup" for about 50 cents and 73 mpg).  We can live in a world where coal smoke doesn't kill 100,000 people a year.  And we can create thousands of jobs needed to build and run the new systems.

One objection is that all this new construction will cost too much money.  We built the Interstate System which cost too much money at the tiem, but is now considered an important part of our current lifestyle.  So it will be with new energy.  We can reach WWS by 2050, maybe sooner.  It is time to quit wondering what we're going to do and start doing it..

Doug

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tmcom

Lets see what Greta is up to? :ph34r:

This is full of laughs also, or she talks about the IPCC, like they are reputable, they have a track record of hysteria and lies.

And she says, "you are simply not machure enough, to read IPCC's latest sermon" true, they have a track record of failure, but we should still rely on their advise, this one has a lot of growing up to do, and then some.

She should ditch her parents and go back to school for starters.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jul/21/great-thunberg-you-ask-the-questions-see-us-as-a-threat

"They see us as a threat, since we are having an impact" yeah, impact is right, my popcorn intake has skyrocketed.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-49119807

And if people speak out they get this crap.

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"Miss Thunberg is currently pushing for policies estimated to cost the UK taxpayer £1 trillion which will hit the poorest the hardest."

Yeah, a brainwashed kid, could ...up the UK, and cause the enderly to literally die in a freezing house for her, religious beliefs.

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The UKIP AM's tweet included a picture of Ms Thunberg which has been treated to give her demonic eyes.

Mr Hamilton said in the tweet: "It's shaping up to be the hottest day of the year.

"Please remember: no electric fans. DEFINITELY no air conditioning.

"Greta has spoken.

#ClimateHoax #ExtinctionRebellion.

"Have you done anything this week that Greta might disapprove of?"

Sounds like this guy actually has some sense.

Maybe she should discuss this and do some crying, really suck up to barely coherent parents.

And some are nominating her for the piece prize, they may as well, Gore got something similar and that all came true?

And Greta has said, she is suffering from mental health issue's, can't argue with that point.

 

This is like telling a fanatical 16 year old to take over our planet, totally f....up, things in no time at all, and we have adults making a large scale mess of things, because they won't listen.

Probably need a weapon before popcorn.

B)

 

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Doug1o29
22 hours ago, tmcom said:

Lets see what Greta is up to? :ph34r:

This is full of laughs also, or she talks about the IPCC, like they are reputable, they have a track record of hysteria and lies.

And she says, "you are simply not machure enough, to read IPCC's latest sermon" true, they have a track record of failure, but we should still rely on their advise, this one has a lot of growing up to do, and then some.

She should ditch her parents and go back to school for starters.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jul/21/great-thunberg-you-ask-the-questions-see-us-as-a-threat

"They see us as a threat, since we are having an impact" yeah, impact is right, my popcorn intake has skyrocketed.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-49119807

And if people speak out they get this crap.

Yeah, a brainwashed kid, could ...up the UK, and cause the enderly to literally die in a freezing house for her, religious beliefs.

Sounds like this guy actually has some sense.

Maybe she should discuss this and do some crying, really suck up to barely coherent parents.

And some are nominating her for the piece prize, they may as well, Gore got something similar and that all came true?

And Greta has said, she is suffering from mental health issue's, can't argue with that point.

 

This is like telling a fanatical 16 year old to take over our planet, totally f....up, things in no time at all, and we have adults making a large scale mess of things, because they won't listen.

Probably need a weapon before popcorn.

B)

 

First, don't bother with kids.  They, like you, are not climate scientists.  They, like you, can be ignored.

 

As for the IPCC.  Their board includes politicians who have equal say about reports, along with the scientists.  As you note, this sometimes produces some strange spins on global warming.

BUT:  The IPCC uses real science in writing up its reprots.  Their bibliographies are good sources of climate information.

Doug

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Wouldn't it be a shame if we cleaned up the world we live in and we didn't have to?

Doug

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Desertrat56
4 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said:

Wouldn't it be a shame if we cleaned up the world we live in and we didn't have to?

Doug

What does that mean?  Some things are bad habits that need to be changed whether they contribute to climate change or not.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Doug1o29 said:

First, don't bother with kids.  They, like you, are not climate scientists.  They, like you, can be ignored.

As for the IPCC.  Their board includes politicians who have equal say about reports, along with the scientists.  As you note, this sometimes produces some strange spins on global warming.

BUT:  The IPCC uses real junk science in writing up its reprots.  Their bibliographies are good sources of climate information.

Doug

Sure, ignore me, but not the experts, and the IPCC are after gov, grants otherwise their house of cards near a wind turbine will become the obvious.

This thread is more about the entertainment value, the HOAX one is more about trying to have a conversation over a cup of coffee.

 

And speaking about the first, l read about the child above, in todays paper, and as Andrew Bolt has said, "she is seen as the messiah of global warming or impending doom dogma".

And because of her several mental health issues, (probably due to her moronic mother) she is 100% convinced that the world will end soon. And to that affect ignores all evidence against her beliefs.

 

She is also considering ditching school to do this crap, full time, "why learn my a, b, d's, and 2+2+5, when l have climate 5's", lol.

 

She is dedicated but knows virtually nothing, or she is the crying child puppet for the lefist fanatics that want a piece of the trillion dollar pie, nothing more.

B)

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Doug1o29
1 hour ago, tmcom said:

Sure, ignore me, but not the experts, and the IPCC are after gov, grants otherwise their house of cards near a wind turbine will become the obvious.

I have been posting citations of expert opinion for years, now.  Look up some of them and read them.

As an alternative, why don't you post some expert opinions?

We can critique each other's references.

 

The IPCC is funded by the UN.  Individual scientists' research is funded by grants, contracts and sometimes by their employers, like universities, for example.  I am funded by the US Forest Service.  The IPCC has never cited any of my papers.  Guess I'm not important enough.

 

As you said, the girl knows virtually nothing about climate.

Doug

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Doug1o29
2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

What does that mean?  Some things are bad habits that need to be changed whether they contribute to climate change or not.

It expresses the attitude of many deniers.  They don't want to clean up anything because it might have something to do with climate change and/or the liberals want it, so they don't.  No thought.  Just knee-jerk reactions.

Doug

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Desertrat56
1 minute ago, Doug1o29 said:

It expresses the attitude of many deniers.  They don't want to clean up anything because it might have something to do with climate change and/or the liberals want it, so they don't.  No thought.  Just knee-jerk reactions.

Doug

Ahh, typical manipulated, emotional zombies.  OK.

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tmcom
4 minutes ago, Doug1o29 said:

I have been posting citations of expert opinion for years, now.  Look up some of them and read them.

As an alternative, why don't you post some expert opinions?

We can critique each other's references.

The IPCC is funded by the UN.  Individual scientists' research is funded by grants, contracts and sometimes by their employers, like universities, for example.  I am funded by the US Forest Service.  The IPCC has never cited any of my papers.  Guess I'm not important enough.

As you said, the girl knows virtually nothing about climate.

Doug

I have read some of your references.

I have also posted Gore stuffup, based on 900+ peer reviewed papers, from 2006, and you in turn say that part of his trailer are false, and then try to spin, or lenghen or nit pick the video to death to extract any grain of truth that he didn't fail miserably.

I am not going to compare notes on the blatantly obvious, he very clearly stated that the end was nigh in 2016, and it wasn't three years later, still nothing.

 

It is fine if you and others want to believe in this stuff, and try to convert others, but that is about it.

And l have already posted several excellent videos, showing how ridiculous this all is, as others have, but l know that doesn't matter, the Climate Change Bible says otherwise and that is set in cement for some.

 

But l need to stay on the thread title, so this thread is primary about the entertainment value only.

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lost_shaman
1 hour ago, tmcom said:

l know that doesn't matter, the Climate Change Bible says otherwise and that is set in cement for some.

Look at the degree of indoctrination people are exposed to on a Daily basis. For an average person just going about their daily life without much scientific background as a foundation, how can such a person be expected to have any opinion other than what is force fed to them constantly in all forms of Media? This is by design, you are not supposed to think about Global Warming caused by your own actions, you are supposed to "Believe" this is true and Vote accordingly. Forget what ulterior motives any given Politician may have to seek Power just as long as they are a Climate Crusader. Remember this is a matter of survival and only the Globalists/Socialists Climate Crusaders can save Humanity and if you think differently you are literally the Enemy of Humanity.

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Doug1o29
3 hours ago, tmcom said:

I have also posted Gore stuffup, based on 900+ peer reviewed papers, from 2006, and you in turn say that part of his trailer are false, and then try to spin, or lenghen or nit pick the video to death to extract any grain of truth that he didn't fail miserably.

I am not going to compare notes on the blatantly obvious, he very clearly stated that the end was nigh in 2016, and it wasn't three years later, still nothing.

I am still looking for a complete list of predictions Gore made and so far, I have not found one.  Neither have you posted one.  I need specifics, not somebody's interpretations.  I need Gore's own words.

What 900+ peer-reviewed papers were those?  Good scholarship demands not only a list, but citations in the text.  I don't believe Gore intended his PowerPoint to be a scientific production, but there should be a properly annotated copy around somewhere.  Wish I could get a Nobel Prize for a PowerPoint.

I am a practicing scientist.  That fact alone should tell you that I won't accept your funny stories as anything other than funny stories.  If you want to be convincing, post the science.

Doug

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2 hours ago, lost_shaman said:

Look at the degree of indoctrination people are exposed to on a Daily basis. For an average person just going about their daily life without much scientific background as a foundation, how can such a person be expected to have any opinion other than what is force fed to them constantly in all forms of Media? This is by design, you are not supposed to think about Global Warming caused by your own actions, you are supposed to "Believe" this is true and Vote accordingly. Forget what ulterior motives any given Politician may have to seek Power just as long as they are a Climate Crusader. Remember this is a matter of survival and only the Globalists/Socialists Climate Crusaders can save Humanity and if you think differently you are literally the Enemy of Humanity.

OSU offers a course in which each student calculates his own carbon footprint.  To do that, you have to think about your lifestyle and how that influences climate/environment.  Such courses are being taught in high schools and elementary schools.  I don't want people following this because I said so.  I want them to understand what is happening and act accordingly.

Doug

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4 hours ago, tmcom said:

I have also posted Gore stuffup, based on 900+ peer reviewed papers, from 2006, and you in turn say that part of his trailer are false, and then try to spin, or lenghen or nit pick the video to death to extract any grain of truth that he didn't fail miserably.

It's still not a list of predictions in Gore's own words, but here is a list from Skeptical Science:

https://skepticalscience.com/al-gore-inconvenient-truth-errors.htm

Of Gore's listed ten predictions, the only one we can definitely say he got wrong is that Killimanjaro is not cie-free.  It still has glaciers, albeit smaller and in decline.  That decline is probably due to evaporation resulting from deforestation and not climate change.

The other none are too soon to tell, too vague to determine or accurate.

Doug

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Has anyone actually got any evidence that the Earth is not getting warmer, despite declining axial tilt?   Or, if it is getting warmer, despite declining axial tilt, an explanation why?  

Or, indeed, an explanation based on science as to why increasing atmospheric CO2, massive deforestation, brown clouds, black soot, contrails, urbanisation etc  etc would not cause climate change?

Rather than just stating what everyone has known for 15 years, that a politician who didn't know much about climate science, may have made some errors or exaggerations.  (Obviously, we all know that normally everything any politician ever says is the absolute truth!, but nonetheless.... ;) )

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3 minutes ago, Essan said:

Has anyone actually got any evidence that the Earth is not getting warmer, despite declining axial tilt?   Or, if it is getting warmer, despite declining axial tilt, an explanation why?  

Or, indeed, an explanation based on science as to why increasing atmospheric CO2, massive deforestation, brown clouds, black soot, contrails, urbanisation etc  etc would not cause climate change?

Rather than just stating what everyone has known for 15 years, that a politician who didn't know much about climate science, may have made some errors or exaggerations.  (Obviously, we all know that normally everything any politician ever says is the absolute truth!, but nonetheless.... ;) )

When you say "declining axial tilt" are you talking about this?

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Earth's axial tilt actually oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. The reason for this changing obliquity angle is that Earth's axis also wobbles around itself. This wobble motion is called axial precession, also known as precession of the equinoxes.

I remember in the 90's some of my neighbors talking about the change in the location of magnetic north and I assumed they thought that the earth was changing it's axis. 

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lost_shaman
1 hour ago, Doug1o29 said:

OSU offers a course in which each student calculates his own carbon footprint.  To do that, you have to think about your lifestyle and how that influences climate/environment. 

What a complete waste of Time and student loan money! A "Carbon Footprint" is all but meaningless if the Climate sensitivity to CO2 is low, which I contend that it is. BUT I'm sure that is a Nice hard indoctrination for "every student", you know in case they missed it in all Media while growing up. :rolleyes: How about a course on how to recycle plastics as that would at least be worthwhile thing to learn (ask me about getting College educated people to recycle/spoiler they are retarded!). 

1 hour ago, Doug1o29 said:

I want them to understand what is happening and act accordingly.

What a silly thing to say. You want people to 'believe' just as you do. I've tried to expose you to the facts that CO2 is less dangerous than you believe it is but you fight tooth and nail against the idea that CO2 might be relatively inert not because the evidence and math is saying so but because that would be antithetical to your beliefs. For you the proverbial Boogie Man is always right around the next corner.

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lost_shaman
56 minutes ago, Essan said:

Has anyone actually got any evidence that the Earth is not getting warmer, despite declining axial tilt? 

What do you mean by "warmer"? Do you mean vary positively above a mean average? That happens in noise all the time.  You also say "despite declining axial tilt", well at best this is a super low frequency forcing just off in the long term background. Very small inter-annual changes in Cloud cover are likely hundreds of times more powerful than even decadal axial forcings.

 

1 hour ago, Essan said:

Or, if it is getting warmer, despite declining axial tilt, an explanation why?  

I know this is not the answer you are looking for nor is it my only answer, but if for no other reason at all there are simply long term trend phenomena in Noise. THIS is why you can't just say something else is trending in the same direction so the two MUST be related. 

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