Maya acoustics: Chichen Itza

[Windowpane]

Might not have been the result of original architectural design:

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In my opinion, the effect was not originally intended when the construction was designed (En mi opinión el efecto no fue una intención inicial en el diseño de la construcción ... )

(https://www.acusticaweb.com/acustica-arquitectonica/blog/acca-arquitecta/artlo-especial-sobre-la-acca-de-chichen-itz.html)

[WVK]

56 minutes ago, Windowpane said:

Might not have been the result of original architectural design:

(https://www.acusticaweb.com/acustica-arquitectonica/blog/acca-arquitecta/artlo-especial-sobre-la-acca-de-chichen-itz.html)

From that article:

"In my opinion the effect was not an initial intention in the design of the construction, since the original structure was limited to the two large parallel walls with their respective staircases and to the walls in C shapes; The North, South and Tigris annexes are later modifications. This indicates that the phenomenon could be observed after the construction of the initial structure and with this the implementation of the modifications that would allow it to be used." 

"The North, South and Tigris annexes are later modifications"  How could he know this? a drawing from the 1840s: 

https://www.petrafineart.net/antique-prints/54-catherwood-gymnsasium-chichen-itza-1024x678/

[WVK]

9 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

...but you’ve clearly made up your mind the effect was intentional and used, because you’re either ignoring or confrontational with anyone who disagrees with you.

They had no choice but to use it in the GBC. Do you really think that it was an accident that a conversation, in a normal voice, from end to end 525 ft in a ceremonial structure* ?  

* "many scholars have suggested that actual ballplay would have been impossible. They maintain it may have been used as a ritual space where the ballgame was never played but which was, nevertheless, charged with all the cosmological meaning of an actual ballcourt.ther 525ft in a structure now thought used for ceremony not actual ball play"
http://www.mesoweb.com/chichen/features/tour/04.html

[WVK]

10 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

.I think what you want is the credit and praise for your “discovery.”

and fortune.  These acoustical effects cannot be all accidental.  Not with two culturally relevant acoustic responses from the same structure. A handclap in front of the steps produces the voice of Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan who is represented at the top of the staircase in the form of feathered rattlesnake piers

https://browse.startpage.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Flive.staticflickr.com%2F39%2F112242498_676c37a34b_b.jpg&sp=9c659e205c009a42a401dab4ce04e9f8&t=default

 

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, WVK said:

and fortune.  These acoustical effects cannot be all accidental.  Not with two culturally relevant acoustic responses from the same structure. A handclap in front of the steps produces the voice of Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan who is represented at the top of the staircase in the form of feathered rattlesnake piers

https://browse.startpage.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Flive.staticflickr.com%2F39%2F112242498_676c37a34b_b.jpg&sp=9c659e205c009a42a401dab4ce04e9f8&t=default

 

In the remaining ruins.. Which are altered from the original state. Okay WVK, why are you so utterly obsessed with this? Echoes off stone are normal, all stone buildings do this - everywhere. The Maya may have or may not have done this intentionally. As already noted I outlined what you would need to do to prove it  was intentional - you appeared to have ignored that and by your responses you probably have had this same discussion before. What's the point? What's the mystery to you?

 

[WVK]

12 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

In the remaining ruins.. Which are altered from the original state

"This transmission of sound, as yet unexplained, has been discussed by architects and archaeologists ... Most of them used to consider it as fanciful due to the ruined conditions of the structure but, on the contrary, we who have engaged in its reconstruction know well that the sound volume, instead of disappearing, has become stronger and clearer... Undoubtedly we must consider this feat of acoustics as another noteworthy achievement of engineering realized millenniums ago by the Maya technicians." "Chi Cheen Itza" by Manuel Cirerol Sansores, 1947

[WVK]

17 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Echoes off stone are normal, all stone buildings do this - everywhere.

Cows are sacred in India, is there a spot there to hear "Moo" from a handclap?

[Harte]

So, you expect to gain fortune and fame by stealing other people's ideas?

Harte

[WVK]

3 minutes ago, Harte said:

So, you expect to gain fortune and fame by stealing other people's ideas?

Harte

How so?

[WVK]

4 minutes ago, Harte said:

So, you expect to gain fortune and fame by stealing other people's ideas?

Harte

That was a joke, who's ideas dii I steal?

[Hanslune]

11 minutes ago, WVK said:

Cows are sacred in India, is there a spot there to hear "Moo" from a handclap?

Maybe lots of stone wall there -why is this important?

[Hanslune]

24 minutes ago, WVK said:

"This transmission of sound, as yet unexplained, has been discussed by architects and archaeologists ... Most of them used to consider it as fanciful due to the ruined conditions of the structure but, on the contrary, we who have engaged in its reconstruction know well that the sound volume, instead of disappearing, has become stronger and clearer... Undoubtedly we must consider this feat of acoustics as another noteworthy achievement of engineering realized millenniums ago by the Maya technicians." "Chi Cheen Itza" by Manuel Cirerol Sansores, 1947

.......again why is this important and why do you keep repeating such statements - what is the mystery?

You keep avoiding my questions and comments - here they are again. They will be repeated until answered

Reeated: Okay WVK, why are you so utterly obsessed with this? Echoes off stone are normal, all stone buildings do this - everywhere. The Maya may have or may not have done this intentionally. As already noted I outlined what you would need to do to prove it  was intentional - you appeared to have ignored that and by your responses you probably have had this same discussion before. What's the point? What's the mystery to you?

Have you contacted the person about plaster?

Edited June 14, 2019 by Hanslune

[Hanslune]

8 minutes ago, WVK said:

That was a joke, who's ideas dii I steal?

........ah do you think you are first person to be chronically astonished by echoes?

[Hanslune]

15 minutes ago, Harte said:

So, you expect to gain fortune and fame by stealing other people's ideas?

Harte

Nah just repeating them. Did he establish some new claim or is its the same old stuff.

[WVK]

1 minute ago, Hanslune said:

Maybe lots of stone wall there -why is this important?

Because it's a nonlinear echo. one thing goes in another comes out.  The simplest inpulse sound is a handclap. the building distort s this sound to resemble a quetzal and rattlesnake. which is meaningful to the Maya

[Hanslune]

7 minutes ago, WVK said:

Because it's a nonlinear echo. one thing goes in another comes out.  The simplest inpulse sound is a handclap. the building distort s this sound to resemble a quetzal and rattlesnake. which is meaningful to the Maya

Okay you've told us that multiple times....so why do you keep repeating it? We understand what you are saying. Could you give us a head up on how many times you feel you need to say the same thing? What 32 times, 42, 2,012, infinity?

 

What is the mystery?

Edited June 14, 2019 by Hanslune

[WVK]

8 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Nah just repeating them. Did he establish some new claim or is its the same old stuff.

I bring it up here from time to time:

http://www.famsi.org/listinfo.html

 

[WVK]

1 minute ago, Hanslune said:

Okay you've told us that multiple times....so why do you keep repeating it? We understand what you are saying. Could you give us a head up on how many times you feel you need to say the same thing? What 32 times, 42, 2,012, infinity?

when you acknowledge that linear and nonlinear echos are not the same. .   

[Hanslune]

3 minutes ago, WVK said:

when you acknowledge that linear and nonlinear echos are not the same. .   

Okay they are different. So what? Now do  you acknowledge that the buildings are modified from their original form so we don't know for sure whether that was the intent of the Maya or an accident at the time of construction or of their new status?

Now we've already gone over this before this goes right back to:

Were these effects intentional, if not intentional noticed and if noticed used as talked about before.

So how many more times do you want to go over this?

 

[Harte]

3 hours ago, WVK said:

and fortune.  These acoustical effects cannot be all accidental.  Not with two culturally relevant acoustic responses from the same structure. A handclap in front of the steps produces the voice of Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan who is represented at the top of the staircase in the form of feathered rattlesnake piers

https://browse.startpage.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Flive.staticflickr.com%2F39%2F112242498_676c37a34b_b.jpg&sp=9c659e205c009a42a401dab4ce04e9f8&t=default

 

 

1 hour ago, WVK said:

How so?

Do you read your own posts?

Harte

[WVK]

1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

As already noted I outlined what you would need to do to prove it  was intentional - you appeared to have ignored that and by your responses you probably have had this same discussion before. What's the point? What's the mystery to you?

That post was unclear to me.  In simple terms please what do I need to do?

[WVK]

2 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Have you contacted the person about plaster?

"Hard, reflective, nonporous interior building surfaces such as glass, wood, plaster, brick and concrete absorb 2% to 5% of the sounds striking the surface to reflect 95% or more of the sound."

[Hanslune]

2 hours ago, WVK said:

That post was unclear to me.  In simple terms please what do I need to do?

Let me make as simply as possible. What do you think you need to do to prove your case that it was intentional and somehow survived the reconstruction of the buildings in the 19th and 20th century:

1. repeat your claim as many times as possible.

2. Ignore all contra-evidence.

3. Conduct a thorough on site check of all Maya sites to see if other sites existed correlated by age and commonality of purpose, design, and construction.

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, WVK said:

"Hard, reflective, nonporous interior building surfaces such as glass, wood, plaster, brick and concrete absorb 2% to 5% of the sounds striking the surface to reflect 95% or more of the sound."

So you went to a modern site and ignored the expert on Mayan plaster and culture........yeah right....

[Windowpane]

 

4 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Nah just repeating them. Did he establish some new claim or is its the same old stuff.

It appears that other people have become exasperated with this in the past ...