Maya acoustics: Chichen Itza

[WVK]

6 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Just lots of priest clapping all the time. It was really quite around 3:00  except for jungle noise, the guards and those damn priests clapping

I have only 2 stars by my name, what does that mean?

[Harte]

2 hours ago, WVK said:

I have only 2 stars by my name, what does that mean?

It means your behind everyone else in the thread.

Harte

[Swede]

10 hours ago, WVK said:

The soundscape would be much quieter than typical urban area today, No cars, trucks planes, trains etc. In fact less noise than pre-industriasl European cities without horses clopping carriage wheels rumbling, church bell clanging. 

Only in a relative sense. Have you ever studied the non-mechanized decibel levels generated at mass gatherings such a a large sporting event? Or a mega-church service?

And do not forget the notable attenuation effect of numerous bodies. Any of the contributors familiar with the performing arts are well aware of this factor.

Edit: Typo.

Edited June 25, 2019 by Swede

[Hanslune]

9 hours ago, Harte said:

It means your behind everyone else in the thread.

Harte

I thought the stars were weird prison jargon

Edited June 26, 2019 by Hanslune

[Piney]

4 hours ago, Swede said:

And do not forget the notable attenuation effect of numerous bodies. Any of the contributors familiar with the performing arts are well aware of this factor.

 

Inter-tribal Powwows? 

[Piney]

2 hours ago, Hanslune said:

I thought the stars were weird prison jargon

They're the level of the demons in this Pre-Hell.  @Harte is a Archduke. 

ask @Essan  He knows the darkest secrets here. 

[WVK]

The Mayan Echo at Chichen Itza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwvEoPgYA0o

 

[Hanslune]

33 minutes ago, WVK said:

The Mayan Echo at Chichen Itza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwvEoPgYA0o

 

Haven't you shown us the clap before or is this a new video of the same thing?

[WVK]

Just now, Hanslune said:

Haven't you shown us the clap before or is this a new video of the same thing?

It's and old video that I wanted on this thread. David Lubman read my posting on Alt.Sci.Physics.Acoustics Newsgroup and proceeded to develop the quetzal sound theory.

https://www.tomzap.com/sounds.html

[Hanslune]

5 hours ago, WVK said:

It's and old video that I wanted on this thread. David Lubman read my posting on Alt.Sci.Physics.Acoustics Newsgroup and proceeded to develop the quetzal sound theory.

https://www.tomzap.com/sounds.html

Have you looked at the attempts to gain sounds from pottery? Based on the idea that someone decorating a clay pot with a stylus might accidentally record a hearable audible message?

[Grim Reaper 6]

21 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Have you looked at the attempts to gain sounds from pottery? Based on the idea that someone decorating a clay pot with a stylus might accidentally record a hearable audible message?

That is a very interesting area of research, how accurate do you think the recovered sounds or sometimes even voices are?

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

7 hours ago, WVK said:

The Mayan Echo at Chichen Itza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwvEoPgYA0o

 

Nice. 

I climbed that back in the eighties. And I must say, itis way steep, the risers are too high, and the rock is so darn slick due to humidity situation,
and I truly was getting scared as we got near the top. But nobody fell and it was a beautiful site

Edited February 5, 2022 by Earl.Of.Trumps
reword

[Hanslune]

4 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

That is a very interesting area of research, how accurate do you think the recovered sounds or sometimes even voices are?

I know of it in theory only:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002875.html

 

WVK is into archaeo-sound so I was being lazy to see if he had an update.

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

I know of it in theory only:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002875.html

 

WVK is into archaeo-sound so I was being lazy to see if he had an update.

Thanks

[+and-then]

11 hours ago, WVK said:

It's and old video that I wanted on this thread. David Lubman read my posting on Alt.Sci.Physics.Acoustics Newsgroup and proceeded to develop the quetzal sound theory.

https://www.tomzap.com/sounds.html

You may not have elicited any agreement with your beliefs but you certainly exposed a LOT of snooty people around here.     Well done!

[WVK]

11 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Have you looked at the attempts to gain sounds from pottery? Based on the idea that someone decorating a clay pot with a stylus might accidentally record a hearable audible message?

Doesn’t work according to Myth Busters
https://mythresults.com/episode62

[WVK]

Acoustic phenomenon report Tikal

“I would enthusiastically recommend (from personal experience decades ago) an acoustic experiment at Tikal involving the sanctuaries of Temples 1 and 3.  We did not work with Temple 2.

If one is positioned in one of those locations (T1 or T3) and the other person in the other--before dawn, ideally before birds begin to call, before the wind comes up--and absolutely before there are any people on the ground below--it is possible to easily carry on a detailed conversation at this distance at a soft speaking volume, comparable to sitting at a table with the other person in a quiet room.

I've heard the famed quetzal chirp at Chichen. Hard to know whether it is incidental. The Tikal phenomenon is more dramatic.”

 

[WVK]

8 hours ago, and then said:

You may not have elicited any agreement with your beliefs but you certainly exposed a LOT of snooty people around here.     Well done!

"Father, forgeue them, for they wote not what they do."

[Hanslune]

4 hours ago, WVK said:

Doesn’t work according to Myth Busters
https://mythresults.com/episode62

Yes I watched that yesterday it is what caused me to ask about it.

[Hanslune]

10 hours ago, and then said:

You may not have elicited any agreement with your beliefs but you certainly exposed a LOT of snooty people around here.     Well done!

Hey that's just Harte being uppity he got an advanced degree is Serious Snoot from an Ivy league School.

[WVK]

3 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Hey that's just Harte being uppity he got an advanced degree is Serious Snoot from an Ivy league School.

The fancy credentials don’t seem to  help when it comes to Archaeoacoustics. Here’s book devoted to the GBC, not a word about the acoustics 

THE GREAT BALL COURT AT CHICHEN ITZA, YUCATAN, MEXICO.

COHODAS, MARVIN.Columbia University. ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 1974. 7509279.

https://www.proquest.com/openview/95e91796ad58d36f6c053a4b475d4f7a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y

[Hanslune]

3 hours ago, WVK said:

The fancy credentials don’t seem to  help when it comes to Archaeoacoustics. Here’s book devoted to the GBC, not a word about the acoustics 

THE GREAT BALL COURT AT CHICHEN ITZA, YUCATAN, MEXICO.

COHODAS, MARVIN.Columbia University. ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 1974. 7509279.

https://www.proquest.com/openview/95e91796ad58d36f6c053a4b475d4f7a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y

Well it was published 47 years ago probably based on research done 1-10 years before that. Kinda before AA became a consideration. I believe AA became important a little before 2000 - if I recall. However, acoustics were known about as it was noted that Greek and Roman theatre's worked very well allowing an audience to hear the players with ease.

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Hanslune

[WVK]

1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

Well it was published 47 years ago probably based on research done 1-10 years before that. Kinda before AA became a consideration. I believe AA became important a little before 2000 - if I recall. However, acoustics were known about as it was noted that Greek and Roman theatre's worked very well allowing an audience to hear the players with ease.

 

Whisper it – Greek theatre's legendary acoustics are a myth:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/oct/16/whisper-it-greek-amphitheatre-legendary-acoustics-myth-epidaurus

 

[Hanslune]

2 hours ago, WVK said:

Whisper it – Greek theatre's legendary acoustics are a myth:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/oct/16/whisper-it-greek-amphitheatre-legendary-acoustics-myth-epidaurus

 

""Further work, based on the loudspeakers playing voices, revealed that only when actors spoke up loudly would their words be intelligible in the seats furthest from the orchestra.""

Enunciation part of an actors job for thousands of years.

[WVK]

22 hours ago, WVK said:

Acoustic phenomenon report Tikal

“I would enthusiastically recommend (from personal experience decades ago) an acoustic experiment at Tikal involving the sanctuaries of Temples 1 and 3.  We did not work with Temple 2.

If one is positioned in one of those locations (T1 or T3) and the other person in the other--before dawn, ideally before birds begin to call, before the wind comes up--and absolutely before there are any people on the ground below--it is possible to easily carry on a detailed conversation at this distance at a soft speaking volume, comparable to sitting at a table with the other person in a quiet room.

I've heard the famed quetzal chirp at Chichen. Hard to know whether it is incidental. The Tikal phenomenon is more dramatic.”

 

"I personally vouch for the acoustics at Tikal.

Years ago, while living for a year and a half with some friends who had bought some land behind Soccutz Village in Belize, we used to take the bandito highway to Tikal every few months.

Once I climbed Temple I, and proceeded to sit cross-legged with my back against the back inner room wall. I started OMing and tuning into the space.

Later, my friends asked if I was up at the top OMing? I said, yes, why? They said you could hear my OMs all over the plaza. (And I was in the back of the inner-most room, not out in front of the doors.)"