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Sir Smoke aLot

Syrian rebel ''hero'' dies in battle.

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Sir Smoke aLot

This story was reported by numerous media in last few days. Washington Post article, LINK.

Media made this man into some kind of honorable freedom fighter, safeguard of democracy but the truth is much darker than that.

Abdelbaset, the goalkeeper, was member of Jaysh al-izza, group affiliated with isis, among other radical groups it cooperated with. They are source of the story. It's really absurd that anyone who believes in values and civilization would promote these kinds of groups and people. It's sad that young man died, that he was radicalized but let's try to have the same standards for everyone, regardless of political affiliation, not like this to praise and honor terrorists.

From the article:

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In Jaish al-Izza, he led a unit named after his hometown. He repeatedly denounced rebel infighting and called on Syrians to unite against government forces.

In a recording in 2015, Sarout denied he had joined any of the radical groups that proliferated in Homs and northern Syria as the war dragged on. But like many rebels, he adopted more religious references in online videos after initially sticking to nationalist themes. He had recently appeared in a video from Hama saying he would fight as though it were his hometown.''

Many reports prove otherwise, that he was indeed with radical groups, jaish al izza is his main group, link to Wiki :D List of allies of that group is very interesting.

Video about his views on war, songs about 9/11, all in all it's disgusting his motives and goals all recorded on camera :

 

From header in article on Washington Post, notice that slogan about democracy, the irony... 

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The Wistman

The guy was a terrorist.  And our government...along with significant others....supported him.  Our international affairs now as shady and cut throat as that of the Italian Renaissance city states. 

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Earl.Of.Trumps
31 minutes ago, The Wistman said:

The guy was a terrorist.  And our government...along with significant others....supported him.  Our international affairs now as shady and cut throat as that of the Italian Renaissance city states. 

Couldn't agree more, Wistman.

Syria has been battling ISIS and al Qaeda with the help from Russia. When the US went in there, we were trying to get civilians to join their organization go up against Assad's troops, which put them against Russia, too. We were in effect helping ISIS and al Qaeda. Someone's pulling some strings. Anyway,  Americans didn't seem to mind at all until Trump said he wanted OUT of Syria…. then the &*$% hit the fan. Weired.

 

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7 hours ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

It's sad that young man died, that he was radicalized but let's try to have the same standards for everyone, regardless of political affiliation, not like this to praise and honor terrorists.

I agree.  That's why I think the PA leadership is disgusting.  They pay the murderers or families of same for years after the killing of Jews and they name streets and schools for them.  

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47 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Couldn't agree more, Wistman.

Syria has been battling ISIS and al Qaeda with the help from Russia. When the US went in there, we were trying to get civilians to join their organization go up against Assad's troops, which put them against Russia, too. We were in effect helping ISIS and al Qaeda. Someone's pulling some strings. Anyway,  Americans didn't seem to mind at all until Trump said he wanted OUT of Syria…. then the &*$% hit the fan. Weired.

 

It's a messy, messed up world and we don't have the luxury of just walking away anymore.  9-11 proved it will just follow us home.  If we get into a shooting conflict with Iran we will see Americans dying IN America, guaranteed.  That little border problem won't seem so artificial any longer.  There are no white knights anymore.  Not ANYWHERE.  

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Sir Smoke aLot
15 hours ago, and then said:

I agree.  That's why I think the PA leadership is disgusting.  They pay the murderers or families of same for years after the killing of Jews and they name streets and schools for them.  

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, or how does that saying go. That's true but the problem is when real war criminals and terrorists get pardoned, by both sides. Such figures call on patriotism etc. but in reality they just seek fast money and influence.

Or they are simply mentally unstable persons.

Can you share some of those streets and schools named by murderers in Palestine?

 

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Just now, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Can you share some of those streets and schools named by murderers in Palestine?

Spend a few minutes looking through al Jazeera archives, PressTV or any middle east publication that reports on Palestinians and their plight.  Here are a couple of examples - 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-town-names-street-for-killer-of-2-israelis/ 

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=448 

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/PA-rebuts-terrorist-street-name-critique 

https://www.quora.com/Have-Palestinians-named-streets-after-any-of-their-fighters  

Even if there were only a single example, it points out the futility of attempting to negotiate with the Palestinians while they literally teach their innocent children Jew hatred with their mother's milk.  If Israel treated the Palestinians as the PA advocates treatment of Jews BY Palestinians, there would be a horrific bloodbath and it would bring the end of any Palestinian presence in Israel's territory.  Think of the mindset of a people that glorify death and especially the killing of civilians in Israel.  Freedom fighters are not universally cowards, are they?  Can they not attack soldiers only?  Why do they fire fragmentation weapons randomly into Israeli civilian areas?  The answer is simple - they desire to follow the commands of Muhammad and terrorize their enemies.  So when the IDF crushes neighborhoods in Gaza it is only a tit-for-tat response.  

There's an old saying in AA - Do what you always did, get what you always got.   That sums up the PA and Hamas perfectly.

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Sir Smoke aLot
10 minutes ago, and then said:

Even if there were only a single example, it points out the futility of attempting to negotiate with the Palestinians while they literally teach their innocent children Jew hatred with their mother's milk. 

That's shallow reasoning friend, no disrespect. See, same thing is done in Israel, war criminals were prime ministers. Top positions in army were given to former terrorists, members of Zionist terror groups and were in power for decades (some are still highly respected members of society and government). School material filled with ''national pride'', academies, parks, events, avenues, streets... So many ''things'' in Israel are named by characters of questionable moral qualities.

But we can not label every Israeli as war criminal or terrorist because of that, no matter how plausible story one makes that's just wrong.

Thanks for links, i am aware of those articles and stories and have to mention that third link on Quora... :) Avoid that site, like really.

''Have Palestinians named streets after any of their fighters''? I mean, really?

Of course that they have, 100 years of clashes tend to make such situation. Quora is silly site populated with so many Zionist apologists that it's funny to visit it. In 4 years of war in my country there are thousands of streets named by fighters and schools named by war criminals... Should i go and plant a bomb there? There is a reason why under international law it's stated in every charter that ''whole people can not be labeled as terrorist''. It's against logic and reality.

But this ain't really topic about Palestine or Israel man, things are so calm in media about Syria with only occasional whitewashing attempts to portrait rebels as good guys. I expect to see numerous cries for Idlib which is terrorist nest right now because every terrorist was sent there after SAA cleared regions of Syria.

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Earl.Of.Trumps
14 hours ago, and then said:

Spend a few minutes looking through al Jazeera archives, PressTV or any middle east publication that reports on Palestinians and their plight.  Here are a couple of examples - 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-town-names-street-for-killer-of-2-israelis/ 

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=448 

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/PA-rebuts-terrorist-street-name-critique 

https://www.quora.com/Have-Palestinians-named-streets-after-any-of-their-fighters  

Even if there were only a single example, it points out the futility of attempting to negotiate with the Palestinians while they literally teach their innocent children Jew hatred with their mother's milk.  If Israel treated the Palestinians as the PA advocates treatment of Jews BY Palestinians, there would be a horrific bloodbath and it would bring the end of any Palestinian presence in Israel's territory.  Think of the mindset of a people that glorify death and especially the killing of civilians in Israel.  Freedom fighters are not universally cowards, are they?  Can they not attack soldiers only?  Why do they fire fragmentation weapons randomly into Israeli civilian areas?  The answer is simple - they desire to follow the commands of Muhammad and terrorize their enemies.  So when the IDF crushes neighborhoods in Gaza it is only a tit-for-tat response.  

There's an old saying in AA - Do what you always did, get what you always got.   That sums up the PA and Hamas perfectly.

 

Just a quick question, and then.... What do you think of the French Resistance Fighters?   

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Earl.Of.Trumps

@Sir Smoke aLot  Some great examples:   1) The Zionist terrorist organization, Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, blew up the King David Hotel, killing 91. Begin later became Prime minister of Israel. 2) Ariel Sharon, the ADF commander oversaw the killing of 2,000 refugees at Shatila and Sabra, and who likewise went on to become Prime Minister of Israel.

But you see, only Palestinians are terrorists!

 

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Sir Smoke aLot
11 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

But you see, only Palestinians are terrorists!

I often remember scene from ''Demolition Man'', Stallone. Scene when ''terrorists'' come out from underground and steal food. Or some scenes from Equilibrium. Society can be so dark and not only in movies, unfortunately.

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On 6/14/2019 at 12:01 PM, and then said:

I agree.  That's why I think the PA leadership is disgusting.  They pay the murderers or families of same for years after the killing of Jews and they name streets and schools for them.  

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