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Richard Thornton- Creek Indian?

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Piney

I found this.

https://peopleofonefire.com/author/richard

Saw this

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

The Perdido Bay Creek Tribe is not a recognized or historical tribe. It was "founded" by a guy named "Bobby Bearheart" who I have to dig more up on.

This isn't good......

https://lostworlds.org/perdido-bay-tribe-heritage-museum/#.XQhaXIhKjIU

Now we have Jason's opinion..

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-richard-thornton-find-lost-proof-of-europeans-in-the-american-south-before-columbus

@Swede  What do you have boss?

@Hanslune   Have you ever heard of this crackpot? 

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Piney

https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/creek-southeast@rootsweb.com/thread/26618271/

More of Mr. Thornton trying to establish his "heritage". 

and a casino feasibility study which points to a con game.

http://www.klasrobinsonqed.com/archives/655

 

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cormac mac airt

It’s a disgrace that there are so many NA wannabes trying to rewrite Native American history. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, where applicable, and publicly humiliated for their deceit. 

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Piney
1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

It’s a disgrace that there are so many NA wannabes trying to rewrite Native American history. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, where applicable, and publicly humiliated for their deceit. 

cormac

@Iilaa'mpuul'xem  chased them for years using all our resources to find criminal activities. Thieves, con artists, even pedos and murderers many times they slipped through our fingers and flourished. We have no legal backing for this kind of nonsense and they are far too common. 

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Piney
cormac mac airt
33 minutes ago, Piney said:

One has to wonder how he gets a volcanic origin from geology that is known as being Paleozoic sedimentary in origin. That’s miraculous. :D

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Hanslune
1 hour ago, Piney said:

@Swede  What do you have boss?

@Hanslune   Have you ever heard of this crackpot? 

I presume you don't mean Swede - vild og skør

.., but you mean the other guy - yes unfortunately I have heard of him:

AmIxchel-TradeMap-2-1280x640.jpg

https://peopleofonefire.com/first-contact-where-did-the-first-maya-immigrants-live-in-north-america.html

 

 

 

 

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Piney
11 hours ago, Hanslune said:

.., but you mean the other guy - yes unfortunately I have heard of him:

There were Arawak-Taino immigrants to Florida and Georgia because of a pre-Columbian coastal trade route. But never Mayan ones. I can't believe a Tribe would hire such a knucklehead. 

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Hanslune
55 minutes ago, Piney said:

There were Arawak-Taino immigrants to Florida and Georgia because of a pre-Columbian coastal trade route. But never Mayan ones. I can't believe a Tribe would hire such a knucklehead. 

I remember working or studying the west Cuba problem - the fact (back then) that there were no sign of the Maya in Cuba which is short journey from Yucatan.

 

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Piney
3 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

I remember working or studying the west Cuba problem - the fact (back then) that there were no sign of the Maya in Cuba which is short journey from Yucatan.

 

They didn't muck with any Arawak speakers. Even the ones on the continent. I think they were top notch warriors who had some serious guerilla skills. The Maroon colonies in Puerto Rico were never beaten using their tactics. 

They were hell-on traders too. I saw a "trading center" in Puerto Rico that was discovered in the late 90s. It was the Caribbean "Mall of the Americas". So I'm guessing that they had many, many allies. 

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Harte

I debunked Thornton on facebook a few months ago when someone posted some of his crap.

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Piney
3 hours ago, Harte said:

I debunked Thornton on facebook a few months ago when someone posted some of his crap.

Harte

I'm still wading through it. It's unbelievably stupid. But not shocking coming from a Pretendian. They concoct some wacky stuff. :huh:

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Swede
18 hours ago, Piney said:

I found this.

https://peopleofonefire.com/author/richard

Saw this

The Perdido Bay Creek Tribe is not a recognized or historical tribe. It was "founded" by a guy named "Bobby Bearheart" who I have to dig more up on.

This isn't good......

https://lostworlds.org/perdido-bay-tribe-heritage-museum/#.XQhaXIhKjIU

Now we have Jason's opinion..

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-richard-thornton-find-lost-proof-of-europeans-in-the-american-south-before-columbus

@Swede  What do you have boss?

@Hanslune   Have you ever heard of this crackpot? 

Am somewhat familiar with the Thornton situation but am currently dealing with an overload of projects/responsibilities. If the topic is still current, will dig into my files when blessed with a few moments of available time.

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Hanslune
4 hours ago, Harte said:

I debunked Thornton on facebook a few months ago when someone posted some of his crap.

Harte

Could you link to that pls

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Harte

I suppose I could go back through my activity log at FB and find it, but I don't want to.

Thornton switched tribes at some point in the past - can't remember if he switched to Creek or away from Creek. Whichever it was, he was disavowed by the tribe he was trying to claim membership in, so he started claiming he was from a different tribe.

IIRC, that website is his. So I didn't (and wouldn't) bother reading any of the stuff there.

Harte

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Piney
15 minutes ago, Harte said:

Thornton switched tribes at some point in the past - can't remember if he switched to Creek or away from Creek. Whichever it was, he was disavowed by the tribe he was trying to claim membership in, so he started claiming he was from a different tribe.

He's claiming Creek now. He might of been claiming Cherokee, who are rabid about taking down wannabes.

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Hanslune
24 minutes ago, Harte said:

I suppose I could go back through my activity log at FB and find it, but I don't want to.

Thornton switched tribes at some point in the past - can't remember if he switched to Creek or away from Creek. Whichever it was, he was disavowed by the tribe he was trying to claim membership in, so he started claiming he was from a different tribe.

IIRC, that website is his. So I didn't (and wouldn't) bother reading any of the stuff there.

Harte

Of course I though if you had done it recently it would have been at hand.

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Harte

I used to be a member in two different facebook ancient aliens groups. I had to leave them. Lately, my instruction has been focused on one of my cousins in Oklahoma who was what drew me to those groups in the first place.

More recently I linked her to a book to help her get over her 19th Century newspaper reports of giants. (Not a bad read.)

Anyway, I don't debunk her all that often.

It's family. I walk softly. :D

Harte

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Kenemet
Posted (edited)

Obituary for Bobby Bearheart, whose name was Bobby Thomas Johns:

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pensacolanewsjournal/obituary.aspx?pid=162883363

More here on the Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pg/perdidobaytribe/about/

Wikipedia on the Lower Muscogee Creek Tribe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Muskogee_Creek_Tribe_(East_of_the_Mississippi)

The Perdido Tribe web page has been taken over by a ... weird home service (??) https://www.perdidobaytribe.org/?fbclid=IwAR0ygBeQmAWRCOoP-4MYViyTtanNVAIV-vsp1d36DkRi1dY9vkgju5XQV0o

Nonprofit facts: http://www.nonprofitfacts.com/FL/Perdido-Bay-Tribe-Of-Southeastern-Lower-Muscogee-Creek-Indians-Inc.html

 

Annnndddd... they make it to Wikipedia's List O Fake Indians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unrecognized_tribes_in_the_United_States

 

My guess is that it's only a handful of people.

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Tatetopa
On 6/17/2019 at 8:59 PM, cormac mac airt said:

It’s a disgrace that there are so many NA wannabes trying to rewrite Native American history. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, where applicable, and publicly humiliated for their deceit. 

Takes time and money.  Honest academics and institutions spend their time and grant money doing honest academics.  Too bad there is not a foundation or GoFundMe project to support some inquiry and debunking and exposing.  

I have seen the guy's architectural renderings, they look good, maybe because they are fanciful. .  If he had hooked up with reputable groups and kept to  the evidence, he could have  some respect for his talent.  

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Piney
1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

  Honest academics and institutions spend their time and grant money doing honest academics.  Too bad there is not a foundation or GoFundMe project to support some inquiry and debunking and exposing.  

Yet some frauds were tied into academia like Shelley DePaul who teaches Lenape she learned from my son's aunt's audio tapes and children's book and is suddenly a Lenape Indian and linguist professor even though she's a proven fraud. 

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=2115424

http://ancestorstealing.blogspot.com/2015/11/shelley-depaul-swartmore-college-has.html

Liars prosper Uncle, which is why I'm hated because I call the frauds out. 

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Essan
On 6/18/2019 at 5:27 AM, Piney said:

Here he's claiming Pigeon Mountain is a dormant volcano.

https://peopleofonefire.com/georgias-secret-volcanic-range.html

 

Oh wow!  :lol:   

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Piney
1 minute ago, Essan said:

Oh wow!  :lol:   

Great stuff huh??? :lol:

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Swede
On 6/17/2019 at 10:33 PM, Piney said:

@Swede  What do you have boss?

@Hanslune   Have you ever heard of this crackpot? 

Just a bit of follow-up on Thornton: As is already obvious, he is not to be taken seriously. At all. Below is another example from his One Fire racket:

https://peopleofonefire.com/i-just-discovered-a-petroglyphic-boulder-behind-my-house.html

Do you think the term differential erosion has ever entered his vocabulary?

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