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God was female for the first 200,000 years of human life on Earth

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Wiccas are amongst the wise ones who participate in the work of creation in order to nourish the people and protect the EARTH. Magic belongs to no one culture, society or tribe -- it is a part in every culture. Whether they were called Wiccas, shaman, priests, priestesses, sages, medicine people, or mystics they knew how to heal the sick, summon the herds, grow crops, assist at births, track the influences of the stars and planets, build the temples and sacred mounds, they knew the secrets of the earth the powers of the moon, and the longings of the human heart. They created language, writing, metallurgy, agriculture, and the arts. Their rituals and ceremonies, their spells and incantations, their prayers and sacrifices were expressions of their oneness with the source of all life, the Great Mother of all living things.

If you study Akkadian, Assyrian and Sumerian ancient history you will discover that most of the stories in the Bible come from far more ancient stories. Ancient cuniforms have been found to prove this. The Bible is a recounting of these stories. Wiccas have always been able to interpret omens. Long before written word the wise ones were master storytellers. They knew all the ancient myths and they passed the word down from generation to generation. Many truths come from a subconscious level. Wiccas have always believed all things are filled with gods and goddesses. The Druidic leaders of the Celts stood as shining models for the Wiccas. A Wiccas knowledge is ancient, as is her worldview. The craft has always thrived both in the past and in highly developed cultures. In ancient Egypt nothing was decided until a sooth sayer was consulted. Numerous presidents of the United States had their own personal astrologists. There is no where one can go and not see the influence of the craft.

Wiccas have never forgotten the basic truth about creation. The Earth and all living things share the same life force and are composed of Divine Intelligence. All life is a web of interconnected beings, and we are woven into it as sisters and brothers of the All. Wiccas believe the ageless wisdom of the soul will survive. For we are the embodiment of the gods and the goddesses... again we go back to the Genesis story: We created man in our image and our likeness.

The craft deals with natural rhythms. As women are biologically more engaged than men, it makes more sense that the Goddess would be the creator of life, more so than the God; however, his fertilization was indeed needed, of course. The ancient tablets tell of a creation story that challenges every major religion: When the Gods came to earth, and every ancient civilization speaks of this, man was still pretty much an ape. The Gods decided to create man and woman in their image and likeness. The Gods and Goddess, this is on Sumerian tablets, decided to genetically produce a race more like themselves. They took the egg of the apewoman, fertilized it with a male God and a surrogate Goddess carried the child to term and called his name Adam....sound familiar?

Deeper inner knowledge from the unconscious cannot always be expressed in words, it often requires poetry, song or ritual. Guarded in the centre of your being is the secret of who you are and how you personally connect to the rest of the universe. To a Wicca life's mysteries have created great wonder and worship came from understanding and from that understanding came meaning. All religion is about creation, not simply the tales and legends but of how a creator or creators brought forth the universe. Therefore religion is about creation and for that reason religion should be about the earth. The pagans believed that biological processes are spiritual processes and there is divine meaning in every natural event.

To our ancient ancestors, the great mysteries of life were the mysteries of transformation: how things turn into other things, how things grow, die, and are reborn. Nowhere are these events more personal than the transformation of a woman. The ability to conceive a new life, give birth, produce milk, and bleed with the phases of the moon. These cycles did not go unnoticed by early man that woman and nature shared the great role of motherhood. Men were awestruck... no wonder they took so much from us, including our lives, when they felt threatened.

Venus figurines dating back to 35,000 BCE have been found depicting the Great Mother. Oddly, there are no male depictions dating back that far. To ancient man, woman was the source of life. God was female for at least the first 200,000 years of human life on earth! The Old Religion was a religion of ecstasy. Archaeological evidence of primal religious experiences show in cave drawings: women with awestruck eyes dancing with wild animals, flying with birds and sharing the watery realms with the fishes. Religion should be ecstatic, dancing, drumming, chanting reenacting primal creation stories. Followers of the Old Religion believe the universe was created in ecstasy out of the body and mind of the Great Mother of all living things. Around the world stories recount the many ways that humans have perceived the original birth of the Earth, sky, plants, animals and humans, but they all recount how the Great Mother created the world.

Hebrew legends tell of the all powerful Yahweh was originally the Goddess Iahu-'Anat, a Sumerian Goddess. Actually the word God is a plural noun translated as creative nature spirits. Around the world the Great Goddess is referred to as the Great Moon Goddess. She is the great female trinity of the Maiden, Mother, and Crone. A Wicca's spells and rituals are always performed in conjunction with the phases of the moon. We discover the special powers and mysteries of the moon and the unique wisdom it teaches us about the Divine Mother of the universe.

In mythologies and sacred literature written around 2500 to 1500 BCE, there is a noticeable change in sensibilities. The strong Goddess who dominated thought and feeling for several thousand years was slowly replaced by the powerful male Sky Gods. The Son/Hunter/Lover who as a child and consort to the Great Mother always had a subordinate position now became the primary deity. Sky Gods reining with the power of the sun challenge the older Goddesses of earth and moon. The Goddesses became villains and many old tales were rewritten. Among the revisions was the Old Assyrian story of Adam and Eve. It was rewritten so that Eve is born of Adam's rib -- rather than the reverse, as it appeared in the older versions. In Mesopotamian legend, Eve creates a male, Adam, and makes him her mate, following the usual Goddess/Son myth.

A point of great interest here is that the Gods and Goddesses had sexual relations within their family members to keep their genes pure. Mothers with sons and brothers, fathers with daughters and even with sisters and granddaughters. It is quite interesting.

In a Gnostic text, Eve is the Mother of All Living and actually creates Jehovah. One of Christianity's best-kept secrets says the Mother of All Living was the Creatress who chastised God. Jehovah is formed by the four Hebrew letters Yod-He-vau-He. The first Yod means I and the next three, He-Vau-He means both life and woman. In other words the name of Jehovah is feminine and it means: I am woman; I am life.

As the mythologies drifted further and further away from the original religious view of the Great Goddess, the dualism that has come to dominate so much of Western thinking grew stronger and stronger. Life was seen primarily as a struggle between the forces of good and evil, rather than a dynamic dance of all things working together for the Good. Life on earth became less important than the life to come. The old saying that "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" sums it up pretty well: everything associated with this life, Earth, the body, sex, women became suspect, if not down right evil. Woman was to be rejected as a spiritual leader who reflected the image of the divine Feminine, dirty and impure. Then a curious thing happened to the male Gods: as they consolidated their hold over the human imagination, they lost their animal identities.

God became completely human and completely male. The arrival of monotheistic thinking with it's rigid and inflexible form was the mark of advancing civilization. With the arrival of the Father Gods came the degradation of the earth, woman, the body, sex and the most natural tasks in which earlier people found joy and happiness. Actually the Goddess cultures of the southern more warmer climates were invaded by the Sky Gods or Thunder God cultures of the less hospitable climates from the north.

Survival depended on stockpiling food and resources. They gave way to the warrior classes which simply took what they wanted by force. Curiously this coincides with the smelting of iron around 2500 BCE when the patriarchal technology began to fashion weapons. Matriarchal cultures were relatively peaceful. During these times women and children were amongst the spoils of war, raped and held prisoner. Later in time the status of women and children fell to that of slaves. A woman became subservient to her husband who legally owned her life, she was merely property. Men emerged socially, economically and politically dominate and eventually patriarchal institutions, laws and values reflected the myth of male superiority. Patriarchal societies organized around warfare were based on violent, militaristic values and coincide with written history.

Patriarchy is a rather recent development over the last four thousand years and is still a new experiment when it comes to the hundreds of thousands of years that human beings lived in matriarchal societies. It is certainly a mere drop in the bucket when compared to the 3.5 billion years that other forms of life have existed on the planet known as Earth. With the dawn of the New Age, women are regaining their lost stature. The earth and its creatures are in deep peril because we have lost touch with the old ways which were built around worship of the life on earth. If we are to have any hope, we must set our paths in new directions. We must incorporate the old with the new. For only through knowledge can we make the necessary changes. Each and every one of us can make a change like the ripples in a pond. Nothing goes unnoticed and nothing is forgotten. Today is the first day of the rest of your life. Take hold of that, respect all life in its great diversity and remember that the Earth is not inherited from our ancestors, but borrowed from our children.

Ah....Patriarchy vs. matriarchy. yes.gif

One thing's for sure, if we are headed back to the matriarchal society, there won't be any more wars!

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Janiel

I've always liked to think of god as a female. It would explain random smitting she gave out *coughthattimeofthemonthcough*

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Michelle

w00t.gif Janiel...

Nice read Babs....

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BurnSide

Wouldn't 'she' have given that to males Jan?

Afterall all women wish men shared their pain. Why would a woman curse all women?

THEN AGAIN, a male god would never have given women PMS, so maybe you're right!

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SilverCougar

Well you see... there was Goddess and God worship before the monotheistic God came about...

One again proving that people would constantly borrow and melt and steal beliefs from all around them.

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BurnSide

Isn't the general christan belief that the world is 6 or 60 thousand years old?

So this 200,000 doesn't really work..

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SilverCougar

Depends on who you ask. A few christians don't believe in the 6000 year story... and go for the few million/billion years estimet that scientists have hammered out.

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Those who worship a Male God are half Atheists, because they ignore that Divinity is Male Female. w00t.gif

The word for God in the Hebraic Genesis is HELOHIM, this is a female noun with a plural masculine ending! wink2.gif

So Divinity according to the Hebrew Bible is Gods and Goddesses! original.gif

Divinity is A-N-D-R-O-G-E-N-O-U-S grin2.gif

This is why it is written Honor Father and Mother (God) thumbsup.giftongue.gif

God as male is Wisdom, God as female is Love happy.gif

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Bizeebutt

Babs, would this Goddess and God theory be more of a metaphor for the Nature of the world?? As in Nature itself, since in essense all religions were created by humans to explain things they did not understand, such as creation? In which case, both the OT and the Wicca stories have everything in common but the dominant sex of the diety?

Because if my understanding of Wicca is correct, isn't it basically Mother Nature that "worshipped" and not a real deity? In which case, the OT was written by BORROWING this older story and misinterpreting it LITERALLY, quite the same way the Jihad is today??

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BTW... I just noticed how terrible my punctuation is in this post, and I just don't have the energy to change any of it tongue.gif

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Ashley-Star*Child
God was female for the first 200,000 years of human life on Earth

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Kynna's my adorable Jack Russel Terrier.

Gemology and Crystal Magic

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The Moving Planet

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Wiccas are amongst the wise ones who participate in the work of creation in order to nourish the people and protect the EARTH. Magic belongs to no one culture, society or tribe -- it is a part in every culture. Whether they were called Wiccas, shaman, priests, priestesses, sages, medicine people, or mystics they knew how to heal the sick, summon the herds, grow crops, assist at births, track the influences of the stars and planets, build the temples and sacred mounds, they knew the secrets of the earth the powers of the moon, and the longings of the human heart. They created language, writing, metallurgy, agriculture, and the arts. Their rituals and ceremonies, their spells and incantations, their prayers and sacrifices were expressions of their oneness with the source of all life, the Great Mother of all living things.

If you study Akkadian, Assyrian and Sumerian ancient history you will discover that most of the stories in the Bible come from far more ancient stories. Ancient cuniforms have been found to prove this. The Bible is a recounting of these stories. Wiccas have always been able to interpret omens. Long before written word the wise ones were master storytellers. They knew all the ancient myths and they passed the word down from generation to generation. Many truths come from a subconscious level. Wiccas have always believed all things are filled with gods and goddesses. The Druidic leaders of the Celts stood as shining models for the Wiccas. A Wiccas knowledge is ancient, as is her worldview. The craft has always thrived both in the past and in highly developed cultures. In ancient Egypt nothing was decided until a sooth sayer was consulted. Numerous presidents of the United States had their own personal astrologists. There is no where one can go and not see the influence of the craft.

Wiccas have never forgotten the basic truth about creation. The Earth and all living things share the same life force and are composed of Divine Intelligence. All life is a web of interconnected beings, and we are woven into it as sisters and brothers of the All. Wiccas believe the ageless wisdom of the soul will survive. For we are the embodiment of the gods and the goddesses... again we go back to the Genesis story: We created man in our image and our likeness.

The craft deals with natural rhythms. As women are biologically more engaged than men, it makes more sense that the Goddess would be the creator of life, more so than the God; however, his fertilization was indeed needed, of course. The ancient tablets tell of a creation story that challenges every major religion: When the Gods came to earth, and every ancient civilization speaks of this, man was still pretty much an ape. The Gods decided to create man and woman in their image and likeness. The Gods and Goddess, this is on Sumerian tablets, decided to genetically produce a race more like themselves. They took the egg of the apewoman, fertilized it with a male God and a surrogate Goddess carried the child to term and called his name Adam....sound familiar?

Deeper inner knowledge from the unconscious cannot always be expressed in words, it often requires poetry, song or ritual. Guarded in the centre of your being is the secret of who you are and how you personally connect to the rest of the universe. To a Wicca life's mysteries have created great wonder and worship came from understanding and from that understanding came meaning. All religion is about creation, not simply the tales and legends but of how a creator or creators brought forth the universe. Therefore religion is about creation and for that reason religion should be about the earth. The pagans believed that biological processes are spiritual processes and there is divine meaning in every natural event.

To our ancient ancestors, the great mysteries of life were the mysteries of transformation: how things turn into other things, how things grow, die, and are reborn. Nowhere are these events more personal than the transformation of a woman. The ability to conceive a new life, give birth, produce milk, and bleed with the phases of the moon. These cycles did not go unnoticed by early man that woman and nature shared the great role of motherhood. Men were awestruck... no wonder they took so much from us, including our lives, when they felt threatened.

Venus figurines dating back to 35,000 BCE have been found depicting the Great Mother. Oddly, there are no male depictions dating back that far. To ancient man, woman was the source of life. God was female for at least the first 200,000 years of human life on earth! The Old Religion was a religion of ecstasy. Archaeological evidence of primal religious experiences show in cave drawings: women with awestruck eyes dancing with wild animals, flying with birds and sharing the watery realms with the fishes. Religion should be ecstatic, dancing, drumming, chanting reenacting primal creation stories. Followers of the Old Religion believe the universe was created in ecstasy out of the body and mind of the Great Mother of all living things. Around the world stories recount the many ways that humans have perceived the original birth of the Earth, sky, plants, animals and humans, but they all recount how the Great Mother created the world.

Hebrew legends tell of the all powerful Yahweh was originally the Goddess Iahu-'Anat, a Sumerian Goddess. Actually the word God is a plural noun translated as creative nature spirits. Around the world the Great Goddess is referred to as the Great Moon Goddess. She is the great female trinity of the Maiden, Mother, and Crone. A Wicca's spells and rituals are always performed in conjunction with the phases of the moon. We discover the special powers and mysteries of the moon and the unique wisdom it teaches us about the Divine Mother of the universe.

In mythologies and sacred literature written around 2500 to 1500 BCE, there is a noticeable change in sensibilities. The strong Goddess who dominated thought and feeling for several thousand years was slowly replaced by the powerful male Sky Gods. The Son/Hunter/Lover who as a child and consort to the Great Mother always had a subordinate position now became the primary deity. Sky Gods reining with the power of the sun challenge the older Goddesses of earth and moon. The Goddesses became villains and many old tales were rewritten. Among the revisions was the Old Assyrian story of Adam and Eve. It was rewritten so that Eve is born of Adam's rib -- rather than the reverse, as it appeared in the older versions. In Mesopotamian legend, Eve creates a male, Adam, and makes him her mate, following the usual Goddess/Son myth.

A point of great interest here is that the Gods and Goddesses had sexual relations within their family members to keep their genes pure. Mothers with sons and brothers, fathers with daughters and even with sisters and granddaughters. It is quite interesting.

In a Gnostic text, Eve is the Mother of All Living and actually creates Jehovah. One of Christianity's best-kept secrets says the Mother of All Living was the Creatress who chastised God. Jehovah is formed by the four Hebrew letters Yod-He-vau-He. The first Yod means I and the next three, He-Vau-He means both life and woman. In other words the name of Jehovah is feminine and it means: I am woman; I am life.

As the mythologies drifted further and further away from the original religious view of the Great Goddess, the dualism that has come to dominate so much of Western thinking grew stronger and stronger. Life was seen primarily as a struggle between the forces of good and evil, rather than a dynamic dance of all things working together for the Good. Life on earth became less important than the life to come. The old saying that "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" sums it up pretty well: everything associated with this life, Earth, the body, sex, women became suspect, if not down right evil. Woman was to be rejected as a spiritual leader who reflected the image of the divine Feminine, dirty and impure. Then a curious thing happened to the male Gods: as they consolidated their hold over the human imagination, they lost their animal identities.

God became completely human and completely male. The arrival of monotheistic thinking with it's rigid and inflexible form was the mark of advancing civilization. With the arrival of the Father Gods came the degradation of the earth, woman, the body, sex and the most natural tasks in which earlier people found joy and happiness. Actually the Goddess cultures of the southern more warmer climates were invaded by the Sky Gods or Thunder God cultures of the less hospitable climates from the north.

Survival depended on stockpiling food and resources. They gave way to the warrior classes which simply took what they wanted by force. Curiously this coincides with the smelting of iron around 2500 BCE when the patriarchal technology began to fashion weapons. Matriarchal cultures were relatively peaceful. During these times women and children were amongst the spoils of war, raped and held prisoner. Later in time the status of women and children fell to that of slaves. A woman became subservient to her husband who legally owned her life, she was merely property. Men emerged socially, economically and politically dominate and eventually patriarchal institutions, laws and values reflected the myth of male superiority. Patriarchal societies organized around warfare were based on violent, militaristic values and coincide with written history.

Patriarchy is a rather recent development over the last four thousand years and is still a new experiment when it comes to the hundreds of thousands of years that human beings lived in matriarchal societies. It is certainly a mere drop in the bucket when compared to the 3.5 billion years that other forms of life have existed on the planet known as Earth. With the dawn of the New Age, women are regaining their lost stature. The earth and its creatures are in deep peril because we have lost touch with the old ways which were built around worship of the life on earth. If we are to have any hope, we must set our paths in new directions. We must incorporate the old with the new. For only through knowledge can we make the necessary changes. Each and every one of us can make a change like the ripples in a pond. Nothing goes unnoticed and nothing is forgotten. Today is the first day of the rest of your life. Take hold of that, respect all life in its great diversity and remember that the Earth is not inherited from our ancestors, but borrowed from our children.

Ah....Patriarchy vs. matriarchy. yes.gif

One thing's for sure, if we are headed back to the matriarchal society, there won't be any more wars!

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Yeah, in your dreams. Sorry I'm all for equality, but that' just a load. God is male. Adam, first human, male. Angels, technically genderless in that they can't reproduce unless they fall, are still male. Eve (or Lillith even) was the first woman. But your beliefs are obviously not aligned with mine anyway, so what can I say, that's your belief.

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whoa182

the world is 4 + billion years old

* cries *

a god was not on the earth 200,000 years ago... this has been proven. PROVEN< FACT< FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( sorry bout my childish rant LoL )

it does not matter what you say, the earth is over 4 billion years old. live with it and stop lying to your self you look stupid

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Babs

Ashley...

So you're for equality, just not in religion. ohmy.gif So, you are saying that you prefer to be second-class in religion and with your god.

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Those who worship a Male God are half Atheists, because they ignore that Divinity is Male Female. w00t.gif

The word for God in the Hebraic Genesis is HELOHIM, this is a female noun with a plural masculine ending!  wink2.gif

So Divinity according to the Hebrew Bible is Gods and Goddesses!    original.gif 

Divinity is A-N-D-R-O-G-E-N-O-U-S  grin2.gif

This is why it is written Honor Father and Mother (God) thumbsup.gif  tongue.gif

God as male is Wisdom, God as female is Love  happy.gif

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That was beautiful.

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Babs
Well you see... there was Goddess and God worship before the monotheistic God came about...

One again proving that people would constantly borrow and melt and steal beliefs from all around them.

470975[/snapback]

What you say is true. That is very interesting too.

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the world is 4 + billion years old

* cries  *

a god was not on the earth 200,000 years ago... this has been proven. PROVEN< FACT< FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( sorry bout my childish rant LoL )

it does not matter what you say, the earth is over 4 billion years old. live with it and stop lying to your self you look stupid

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Where the heck do you get your figures? Fact...you didn't live back then. ...And how do you know what happened.... or how old the earth is?

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w00t.gif Janiel...

Nice read Babs....

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Thanks Michelle original.gif

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Seraphina

eih...militant femanists...the shame of our gender...

I can't stand people who are so obsessed with gender, or colour that they make a big deal out of this kind of thing..."God was black!" or "Jesus was really the puppet of his wife! She was the real leader!"...I mean for crying out loud...

God, that being the Christian God, would have been portrayed as a man. Any being given absolute authority in those times would, quite frankly, have been male...the idea of a woman with power simply would never have entered into the minds of society at that time.

One thing's for sure, if we are headed back to the matriarchal society, there won't be any more wars!

Babs, you live in a fantasy world tongue.gif There have been many female leaders in recent history, and most of them have either led their nation to war, or started ethnicly cleansing their neighbours.

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jack0fhearts

Great offense Babs, next subject.. Write another novel on which colour God is will ya?!

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Mekorig

God is a WASP female!!!

or argentinian?......or why not fron the Hutsi etnia?

i love this teological arguments, you see the most wacky arguments. tongue.gif

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Unorthodox Thesis

This is ridicilous! How in the world would someone come to the conclusion that the God of the bible is or was a female?

He is genderless; we only reffer to Him as Father because He has the

caracteristics of a loving Father. The laws of nature do not apply to God.

He is neither male or female.

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eih...militant femanists...the shame of our gender...

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ThePortal
This is ridicilous! How in the world would someone come to the conclusion that the God of the bible is or was a female?

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I agree

He is genderless; we only reffer to Him as Father because He has the

caracteristics of a loving Father. The laws of nature do not apply to God.

He is neither male or female.

excatly we refer to him. We imagine what or who, he or she could be by our limited understanding.

Nobody can know what he looks like, what he is made of. Male or female, genderless, both, animal, plant , spirit, celestial body,... wacko.gif

But we can still imagine tongue.gif

But I personnaly think that if he is indeed all that powerfull, that he would show all these charactiristic and more that we do not comprehend.

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*MoG*

Nice read.

But if God was a female surely she would have...

1. made childbirth more of a pleasure than a pain

2. women would be able to have multi, mutliple orgasms (rather than having to fake one!)

3. men would not be our partners but our pets grin2.gif .

Just an idea wink2.gif

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Seraphina

And men probably wouldn't be bigger and stronger than us either tongue.gif

I mean for crying out loud...I'm not a femanist for starters - I believe, by and large, we already have the equality and recognition that we fought for, and I see femanists nowadays as fighting for superiority, not equality...

But anyway, before I digress....society spent as long as it did controlled my men for one simple reason: evolution. If you look at any social mammal in the world, you will find that the males as the leaders of the group...bigger, stronger, and (almost always) the hunters.

There are some notable exceptions, such as lions that, though they live in social groups, the females do the hunting. However, even then, the male is the one that controls the territory, and he's the one that gets first rights to dinner tongue.gif

Why on earth do they think humans evolved any differently? Males would have been the social superior of females right from the get go...that's how the animal kingdom works. All these fantasies some femanists have of some ancient matriachal society simply don't fit in with how our species (and any given mammalian species you can think of) is designed. It simply couldn't happen.

"We women folk are going to take over!" says the 5'4, 120lbs woman, after she's gotten fed up staying at the cave all day, keeping the little ones from running away.

"To hell with that," says the 6'2, 220lbs hunter.

Revolution over.

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Unorthodox Thesis

Then again, if you meant Jesus, then thats even more

ridicilous. I don't think Jesus was a woman.

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