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Writer accuses Trump of raping her

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DieChecker
Just now, Farmer77 said:

Just stop. Its not about his reelection. No one believes any source of negative info will ever sway Trumpians from being Trumpians.

 

Yeah... I agree.... It's about her selling her upcoming book.

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Farmer77
Just now, DieChecker said:

Yeah... I agree.... It's about her selling her upcoming book.

Me too. Still probably true, but, its all about the dollars at this point.

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Gromdor
16 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Yeah... I agree.... It's about her selling her upcoming book.

I'm inclined to believe this as well.  The saving of the outfit that both she and Monica Lewinsky did seems really odd as well.  Seems more like the act of someone keeping a trophy rather than preserving evidence. 

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F3SS
18 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Me too. Still probably true, but, its all about the dollars at this point.

Her own article she describes herself as fawning over him and that it wouldn't look like he's unzipping and it wouldn't look like rape. My guess is it would look like nothing at all or something consensual.

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DieChecker
19 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I'm inclined to believe this as well.  The saving of the outfit that both she and Monica Lewinsky did seems really odd as well.  Seems more like the act of someone keeping a trophy rather than preserving evidence. 

I wonder if there is any proof of that jacket actually being from that date. Perhaps if someone could see the tag, it would say when it was made, or who made it and it could be researched that way?

I can pop on a pair of jeans and say, "These are the jeans I wore in High School.", but really they are just jeans, that were in my closet. They could be 1 year, or 15 years old. I have no idea. 

What special actions did she take to preserve the jacket? I wonder.

EDIT: she said it was hanging on the back of her closet door for 23 years. Maybe...? Has she lived in the same house/apt for the last 23 years? 

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Big Jim
2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Just stop. Its not about his reelection. No one believes any source of negative info will ever sway Trumpians from being Trumpians.

 

Or Democrats from being like they are.  It's the Independents and Undecideds that are in play and tactics like this are straight out of the Democrats' play book.  

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Cookie Monster
On ‎21‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 11:39 PM, Merc14 said:

E. Jean Carroll ,"the advice lady", is accusing Trump of raping her.  She doesn't remember the exact year, '95 or '96 she thinks, or the month, fall because she was wearing a black wool dress, she thinks,  There were no witnesses, no sales attendant in the store section, no video, no police report, no previous reports.  She is selling a  book that is about to hit the shelves but let's all see how the left runs with this. :rolleyes::lol:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/writer-accuses-trump-raping-right-book-published?

So no evidence or prior complaint whatsoever.

Her `account of what happened` sounds like someone inventing a story to play to public perceptions of him. It sounds invented, it is missing information I would expect a rape victim to give, and she isn't even traumatised. Sounds to me like we have a (I wont say highly manipulative person because she isn't) a lowly manipulative person. Isn`t it about time they stared locking people like this up? Trump has rights too.

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Cookie Monster
2 hours ago, F3SS said:

Her own article she describes herself as fawning over him and that it wouldn't look like he's unzipping and it wouldn't look like rape. My guess is it would look like nothing at all or something consensual.

Notice how she jumps straight in with how attractive she thought he was and that he manly commanded her over, etc.

Surely if she was a rape victim the actual rape would be sore in the mind and the centre of her focus. He did this, he did that, he ruined my life, I wasn't able to leave the house for a year afterwards, I had depression, I turned to alcohol and drugs to cope, even now it affects my relationships with men, etc, etc. None of it, its not present in her mind at all. She doesnt think like and isn't going through the thought processes of a rape victim.

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RoofGardener
On 6/21/2019 at 11:39 PM, Merc14 said:

E. Jean Carroll ,"the advice lady", is accusing Trump of raping her.  She doesn't remember the exact year, '95 or '96 she thinks, or the month, fall because she was wearing a black wool dress, she thinks,  There were no witnesses, no sales attendant in the store section, no video, no police report, no previous reports.  She is selling a  book that is about to hit the shelves but let's all see how the left runs with this. :rolleyes::lol:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/writer-accuses-trump-raping-right-book-published?

Isn't this a bit like the libelous false accusation by Christine Blasey Ford of a rape against Brett Kavanaugh’s ? 

A rape in a location that she couldn't entirely remember, on a date that she couldn't entirely recall, under circumstances that she couldn't entirely describe. 

Utter b******s, in my opinion. Jean Carroll should be compelled to present her evidence in court, or face a libel court herself. 

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ExpandMyMind
2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

A rape in a location that she couldn't entirely remember, on a date that she couldn't entirely recall, under circumstances that she couldn't entirely describe. 

Utter b******s, in my opinion. Jean Carroll should be compelled to present her evidence in court, or face a libel court herself. 

Ask someone with a bachelors in psychology how that can be possible. I think you know someone with one, yeah? She'll be able to explain how memory and trauma interact.

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RoofGardener
Just now, ExpandMyMind said:

Ask someone with a bachelors in psychology how that can be possible. I think you know someone with one, yeah? She'll be able to explain how memory and trauma interact.

Yeah... right. 

And how the vision of money might suddenly modify memory.

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Merc14
32 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Ask someone with a bachelors in psychology how that can be possible. I think you know someone with one, yeah? She'll be able to explain how memory and trauma interact.

:rolleyes:

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Tatetopa
2 hours ago, Big Jim said:

It's the Independents and Undecideds that are in play and tactics like this are straight out of the Democrats' play book.  

I don't know Big Jim.  This is well plowed ground, and any new claims are just like the old claims.  Moral turpitude will not decide the election. Even the Evangelicals can overlook Stormy Daniels for what they believe is a greater cause.  If the economy tanks or even slows down, that might sway some people.

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Big Jim
19 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I don't know Big Jim.  This is well plowed ground, and any new claims are just like the old claims.  Moral turpitude will not decide the election. Even the Evangelicals can overlook Stormy Daniels for what they believe is a greater cause.  If the economy tanks or even slows down, that might sway some people.

It's well plowed for the reason I cited, it's in the Democratic handbook under the heading of Dirty Tricks.  Nothing new or imaginative about it, just the same thing we've seen before used against Republicans.  When they can't compete on issues they go one of two ways, either sex or race.  They're a modern day example of the fable about the boy who cried wolf and no one is listening anymore.  I'm not sure that even an economic slowdown would help them since the places under Democratic rule are the worst functioning places in the country.  Even slow beats trashy and homeless.

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Gromdor
23 minutes ago, Big Jim said:

It's well plowed for the reason I cited, it's in the Democratic handbook under the heading of Dirty Tricks.  Nothing new or imaginative about it, just the same thing we've seen before used against Republicans.  When they can't compete on issues they go one of two ways, either sex or race.  They're a modern day example of the fable about the boy who cried wolf and no one is listening anymore.  I'm not sure that even an economic slowdown would help them since the places under Democratic rule are the worst functioning places in the country.  Even slow beats trashy and homeless.

It's a pointless waste of effort at this time.  Trump has already been caught lying about his cheating with a porn star on his pregnant third wife and paying her hush money and his followers could care less.  Why spend the effort for a claim that even if proven true would not effect the election?  It would be pretty naive at this point to say that it was an attempt to sway the voters.  Nah, I think she is just bringing it up to sell her book. 

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skliss
1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Why spend the effort for a claim that even if proven true would not effect the election

Lack of imagination?

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Big Jim
2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

It's a pointless waste of effort at this time.  Trump has already been caught lying about his cheating with a porn star on his pregnant third wife and paying her hush money and his followers could care less.  Why spend the effort for a claim that even if proven true would not effect the election?  It would be pretty naive at this point to say that it was an attempt to sway the voters.  Nah, I think she is just bringing it up to sell her book. 

We're talking about liberals and Democrats.  Not the best and brightest the country has to offer.  I agree that her main purpose is to get publicity for her book, but she could have done that in numerous ways without involving Trump.  But by libeling Trump it almost assures her of coverage in the media that will continue long past the short flurry of interest in her book.  Like I've said before, it's only the undecideds and independents that are in play.  In spite of the polls that have them all winning against Trump, deep down they have their doubts and so will leave no stone unturned.  So far they've been pandering to blacks and now gays with reparations.  They want to give driver's licenses to illegals, which in many states automatically registers them to vote.  If they believe that the false scandals of 2016 turned even one vote their way they'll try it again.

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susieice
5 hours ago, Gromdor said:

It's a pointless waste of effort at this time.  Trump has already been caught lying about his cheating with a porn star on his pregnant third wife and paying her hush money and his followers could care less.  Why spend the effort for a claim that even if proven true would not effect the election?  It would be pretty naive at this point to say that it was an attempt to sway the voters.  Nah, I think she is just bringing it up to sell her book. 

Stormy would have made a lot more on Clinton. Bill had quite a good time before, during and after, but that's not talked about. I heard that Hilary just made a remark on twitter about Bill and got reamed. I don't twitter so I really don't know.

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Merc14
6 hours ago, Gromdor said:

It's a pointless waste of effort at this time.  Trump has already been caught lying about his cheating with a porn star on his pregnant third wife and paying her hush money and his followers could care less.  Why spend the effort for a claim that even if proven true would not effect the election?  It would be pretty naive at this point to say that it was an attempt to sway the voters.  Nah, I think she is just bringing it up to sell her book. 

Clinton raped a nurse who ran a nursing home and his followers, including presumably you, couldn't care less, in fact they vilified the woman.  Trump had an affair, broke it off and paid hush money, no crime committed except maybe adultery but Clinton committed a felony byraping a woman.  Which group of "followers" is the more disgusting to you Mr. holy roller?

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susieice
4 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Clinton raped a nurse who ran a nursing home and his followers, including presumably, you couldn't care less.  Trump had an affaair, broke it off and paid hush money, no crime committed except maybe adultery but Clinton committed a felony and raped a woman.  Which group of "followers" is the more disgusting to you Mr. holy roller?

Oh God. JFK was an infamous philanderer. Everyone knew that. In my lifetime, which starts with Eisenhower, I think Carter and Ford were the only ones that didn't have affairs.

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Kismit

I think the point Gromdor was making was that it would be a pointless tactic for the left to use as it would not change anyone’s mind. 

Apparently a point which can be seen in action after his post.

And that it was probably more personally motivated by the want to be book seller. Rather than Government orientated.

Who broke the story first out of interest?

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susieice
5 minutes ago, Kismit said:

I think the point Gromdor was making was that it would be a pointless tactic for the left to use as it would not change anyone’s mind. 

Apparently a point which can be seen in action after his post.

Everyone is just getting used to this Kismit. Democrat Presidents have a long history of their own affairs going back to FDR. I honestly just don't believe her story.

Just saw your edit. I don't know who broke it. I think that happened over last week. I just heard about it on Friday.

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Merc14
5 minutes ago, Kismit said:

I think the point Gromdor was making was that it would be a pointless tactic for the left to use as it would not change anyone’s mind. 

Apparently a point which can be seen in action after his post.

The left didn't use it, the author is using the left to advertise her book.  I find uit disgusting and the people screaming the loudest because of #metoo are attacking the wrong target(s), they should be attacking the author for cheapening and demeaning #metoo.

Gromdor has been riding a high horse for a long time and this is nothing different. 

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susieice
1 minute ago, Merc14 said:

The left didn't use it, the author is using the left to advertise her book.  I find uit disgusting and the people screaming the loudest because of #metoo are attacking the wrong target(s), they should be attacking the author for cheapening and demeaning #metoo.

Getting a store of that caliber involved may not be a good idea either. I know they've been in contact with Trump. That's being reported.

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Kismit
Just now, susieice said:

Everyone is just getting used to this Kismit. Democrat Presidents have a long history of their own affairs going back to FDR. I honestly just don't believe her story.

I don’t think many do. It makes me angry to think someone would lie about this sort of thing and it makes me angry at myself for not being able to believe it. Sexual assault is wrong and too serious to just throw allegations around. 

My point was that at no stage did Gromdor say it was an issue solely involving Republicans or claiming Democrats were clean, he just used the previous proven stories of inappropriate sexual behaviour as an example of how little influence it has o people’s opinions 

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