Update on the Peruvian Mummy - New Species?

[Piney]

7 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

from one individual by dna tests.

Post the link please.

40 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I am thinking she would not fall for a  cobbled together Native American bones from an ancient burial site inside a plaster casing  especially being a Musculoskeletal imaging specialist among other specialties. 

I'm in contact with her university because I want a explanation. 

[SecretSanta]

https://www.metabunk.org/hoax-three-fingered-nazca-mummy.t8841/

 

These are the people involved...

Jaime Maussan is a UFOologist - a journalist well known in UFO circles as someone who hypes evidence-free claims of aliens, etc. He appears to be the person who led Gaia to the mummy.

Jay Weidner of Gaia has a long history of making esoteric videos like "chemtrails and the sun", and does not seems like a neutral documentary filmmaker.

Dr. Konstantin Korotkov appears to only be an expert in pseudoscientific topics like a form of Kirlian photography, which he uses to investigate the physical manifestation of the soul leaving the body.

Dr Jose de Jesus Zalce Benitez has worked with Maussan before, most famously with "Roswell Slides", where he performed extensive analysis of a photo that he said was of a non-human body at Roswell, but which turned out to be a mummified child on a museum shelf in South America. So he does not have a very good track record. You can read about it here...http://nabbed.unblog.fr/2015/05/18/analysis-of-the-roswell-slides-faq/

Mary Jesse appears to be a real radiologist but really gives very little information other than saying that based on the small images she has been given she think it's unlikely to be a modified human skeleton.

Natalia Zaloznaja (probably better transliterated as Natalya Zaloznaya, Наталья Залозная) - the supposed "head of image analysis" may well be a real doctor, but does not say anything of note.

[Carnoferox]

22 minutes ago, Piney said:

Post the link please.

I'm in contact with her university because I want a explanation. 

Let us know what you find out about that. I doubt they'll be pleased to hear about her involvement with Gaia's illegal and unethical operations.

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, Carnoferox said:

Let us know what you find out about that. I doubt they'll be pleased to hear about her involvement with Gaia's illegal and unethical operations.

I will. 

[Piney]

25 minutes ago, Carnoferox said:

Let us know what you find out about that. I doubt they'll be pleased to hear about her involvement with Gaia's illegal and unethical operations.

The email is off. Let's see if I get a answer. 

[the13bats]

right when i was properly bored with this one i try once more to find an update, but not much,

https://www.livescience.com/62045-alien-mummies-explained.html

https://www.*** blocked ***/news/weird/916902/Nazca-Tomb-aliens-UFO-mystery-silence-Giam-com

now  please read what secretsanta just posted, its great facts.

so i start thinking to myself if they the perpetrators had anything to even perpetuate this distasteful hoax they would be waving it heck, most times even when they dont have anything they are still noisy look at Jaime Maussans past hoax involvment he rides them till beyond empty then never admits he was pulling something or wrong, he just moves on to the next one  in fact has maussan even been involved in anything legit?

what would make all the players shut up? oooh kids lets all put on our tin foil hats it must be a conspiracy theory cover up right? um no, because hello....we all have seen the mummies, a bit late to try to cover it up.

then i notice and here are excerpts, ( from a link i posted )

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The organisers of the ninth annual World Congress on Mummy Studies, which took place in Lima, Peru, in August 2016, issued an angry call on Facebook for an official inquiry into whether archaeological crimes have been committed.

The congress brings together world experts in mummies and skeletons in a new location each year.

Under the heading ‘The Fraud of Extraterrestrial Mummies’, translated from Spanish, the congress said it believed real human mummified remains had been mutated and re-arranged to create bogus alien-looking creatures

This group is not in guestion of their credibilty they are not debunkers and as we see they have a very real concern and moving forward with investigating this isnt "just" another hoax for profit it just might and likely is a fraud involving desecrated burials and defiling of human remains for profit, how true believers can support this is beyond me.

so and sure im speculating perhaps the reason that the showmen have gotten so very quiet basically MIA on this is possibly adhering to legal advice to shut up that this isnt "just" another hoax and just might end with some of these players paying hefty fines and or long jail time, or both,  i could see those types of threats shutting up even the loudest of hoaxers and shameless profiteers.

[Piney]

19 minutes ago, the13bats said:

what would make all the players shut up? oooh kids lets all put on our tin foil hats it must be a conspiracy theory cover up right? um no, because hello....we all have seen the mummies, a bit late to try to cover it up.

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/alien-mummies-may-be-manipulated-bodies-looted-from-peru-experts-say/news-story/3d8c2e4297aa70fa4c7293651b72c8d5

[Piney]

Human DNA according to this.

https://www.*** blocked ***/news/weird/859016/Nazca-tomb-aliens-mummified-aliens-Peru-UFO-three-fingered

[Night Walker]

Wednesday, July 5, 2017

THIS IS THE FALSE "ALIEN" HAND THAT MAUSSAN SCIENTISTS DETERMINED ANATOMICALLY CORRECT AND FUNCTIONAL
By Rodolfo Salas-Gismondi, Ph.D.
Department of Vertebrate Paleontology, Natural History Museum, UNMSM, Lima – Peru
Associate Researcher, Division of Paleontology, American Museum of Natural History, NY – USA
Member of the SSH (Humanist Secular Society of Peru)

Summary. The journalist Jaime Maussan has defended the "non-human" authenticity of various remains of mummies from Nasca based on what was determined by his team of international scientists, after direct inspection of the specimens and analysis of radiographs. Regarding the hand that I analyze in this article, Mr. Maussan referred (program "Contact", July 2) that his scientists have agreed that each finger has six phalanges and that the hands are anatomically correct and functional.Based on the X-ray of this hand and using basic comparative anatomy, I identify the bones that make it up and I show that (1) the hand is made up of at least two human individuals and (2) that each finger has two metacarpals (human), an absolute anatomical and evolutionary aberration. This is not an opinion, it is the result of anatomical-comparative analysis. This brazen montage is the scientific evidence that Maussan's team defends as authentic. Anatomical analysis shows that Mr. Maussan's scientists, including Mexican coroner José de Jesús Salce and Peruvian surgeon Edson Salazar, are unable to distinguish between a metacarpal and a phalanx, or do not want to.

http://descreidos.utero.pe/2017/07/05/esta-es-la-falsa-mano-alienigena-que-los-cientificos-de-maussan-determinaron-anatomicamente-correcta-y-funcional/

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This one follows the story all the way back to its origins - https://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/nazcamummies.htm

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This case is a lot like the Atacama skeleton case - only even shadier... 

[Piney]

13 minutes ago, Night Walker said:

This case is a lot like the Atacama skeleton case - only even shadier... 

And the big question is how it used tools without thumbs. 

[Piney]

16 minutes ago, Night Walker said:

Summary. The journalist Jaime Maussan has defended the "non-human" authenticity of various remains of mummies from Nasca based on what was determined by his team of international scientists, after direct inspection of the specimens and analysis of radiographs. Regarding the hand that I analyze in this article, Mr. Maussan referred (program "Contact", July 2) that his scientists have agreed that each finger has six phalanges and that the hands are anatomically correct and functional.Based on the X-ray of this hand and using basic comparative anatomy, I identify the bones that make it up and I show that (1) the hand is made up of at least two human individuals and (2) that each finger has two metacarpals (human), an absolute anatomical and evolutionary aberration. This is not an opinion, it is the result of anatomical-comparative analysis. This brazen montage is the scientific evidence that Maussan's team defends as authentic. Anatomical analysis shows that Mr. Maussan's scientists, including Mexican coroner José de Jesús Salce and Peruvian surgeon Edson Salazar, are unable to distinguish between a metacarpal and a phalanx, or do not want to.

Details in which this woman failed to see.......

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/Radiology/About Us/Faculty/Pages/Jesse, Mary.aspx

Oh, for the rest of the readers. The university will "see" that I keep linking them to this foolishness. 

[the13bats]

so here is a video, weed through the filler,

it has segments in it showing  Jaime Maussan and "his" experts spewing all kinds of misinformation and outright bs, 

the "rat trap" alien HOAX was well exposed as a marmoset monkey that died at a zoo, real actual scientists had zero problems proving this from examination and DNA, even the hoaxers admitted it,  anyones guess why maussans crew never can seem to get it right,

the fact maussan gets credit with bringing out the pg mummies  of this thread makes me wonder why anyone in a right mind would see this as anything but despicable fraud,

rather than wait for any more debunking im waiting to see if any legal action is taken for desecrating graves and remains,

i do wonder how that university will feel with one of their professors involved....

pass the popcorn.

 

 

[papageorge1]

10 hours ago, the13bats said:

 the pg mummies 

LOL....You are funniest when you are not trying to be....

[stereologist]

On 6/21/2019 at 11:51 PM, papageorge1 said:

In the past some mummies from Peru were discussed on this forum. These creatures were suggested to be a human-like creature unknown to science. Well, here is a new video from Gaia on the subject that furthers and strengthens the mystery in my opinion.

I am well aware that the collection of skeptical critics will attack this from every angle possible. That is to be expected for anything paranormal/crpto/alien. I've probably heard all these types of attacks but I still think this thing is likely a major find and something unknown to science. I would like to hear the opinion of anyone willing to watch this 11 minute video.

 

It is so easy to show that this is a fraud, a hoax, and it certainly has fooled papageorge1. No surprise there.

There is no attack. There is showing the truth. The truth of the matter is that this is a case of human desecration by non-scientists.

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Can we assume you didn’t watch the video.

I watched the video and it is a hideous collection of frauds that so easily fooled you.

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How do you explain those internal images and scientists' analysis as you feel it is likely fake? Wouldn't they easily detect a hoax? Are the scientists in on a hoax?

Did you read the links? Can we assume you only watched this video of grave robbers and desecraters of human remains?

There don't appear to be any scientists in this video. There are claims that there are scientists just as they can fraudulently claim this is real.

Listen to these chumps. They say things like female because the Y chromosome  is missing. You have to have two X chromosomes to be female. Did they find two X chromosomes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system

The internal images of the 3 fingers has human metatarsals used  in place of finger bones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatarsal_bones

 

[stereologist]

On 6/22/2019 at 1:11 AM, papageorge1 said:

There's politics going on. But that doesn't disqualify it for me. Just look at the vehement opposition to anything new/paranormal/crypto/alien.

After years I've become more skeptical of the honesty of skeptics than proponents.

So you don't care about people digging up bodies in graveyards and making a gaff and putting it on display to scam the ultra-stupid?

That doesn't bother you?

[stereologist]

On 6/22/2019 at 1:13 AM, papageorge1 said:

If one watches the video, one might argue there is certainly no Native Americans or any modern human that's built like that.

It's a gaff. It's made of real bones put together by bumbling hoaxers that want the money from the ultra-nitwits that fall for this stuff.

Here is more of the same.

https://darkartifacts.blogspot.com/2010/01/of-sideshow-gaffs-taxidermy.html

 

[stereologist]

On 6/22/2019 at 1:17 AM, papageorge1 said:

If you actually watch the video that does not seem to be the case per scientists.

I watched the video full of fake scientists.

Go ahead and show us that there are real scientists in the video. You claim real scientists now show us. Look up the names.

[stereologist]

On 6/22/2019 at 1:31 AM, papageorge1 said:

There are actually scientific evaluations in the video from scientists. Kickbacks? I'm sure you don't even believe that. You can usually count the people on your fingers in these threads...hahah  I'd do better collecting deposit cans from just one garbage can.

I just might be seriously curious perhaps.

Please show anyone is a real scientist.

Their background claims are as fraudulent as their gaff made by desecrating graves.

[Stiff]

@stereologist I fear you (and countless others from this thread) are wasting your time with pg. He has a totally blinkered outlook.

Here's an emoji that should come in handy: 

[papageorge1]

22 minutes ago, stereologist said:

It is so easy to show that this is a fraud, a hoax, and it certainly has fooled papageorge1. No surprise there.

There is no attack. There is showing the truth. The truth of the matter is that this is a case of human desecration by non-scientists.

I watched the video and it is a hideous collection of frauds that so easily fooled you.

Did you read the links? Can we assume you only watched this video of grave robbers and desecraters of human remains?

There don't appear to be any scientists in this video. There are claims that there are scientists just as they can fraudulently claim this is real.

Listen to these chumps. They say things like female because the Y chromosome  is missing. You have to have two X chromosomes to be female. Did they find two X chromosomes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system

The internal images of the 3 fingers has human metatarsals used  in place of finger bones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatarsal_bones

 

More and more I am seeing why I have less and less belief in the integrity of the so-called skeptics who in my eyes often become just a knee-jerk gang of anti-paranormal/crypto/alien types. They come up with their best attack angle and insist they’re just telling the indisputable facts. 

Truly objective thinkers interested in these subjects long enough see through their thin insecure veneer and false bravado.

I listen to everything and form my own judgment on the likelihood of what is really the case.

[papageorge1]

36 minutes ago, stereologist said:

So you don't care about people digging up bodies in graveyards and making a gaff and putting it on display to scam the ultra-stupid?

That doesn't bother you?

It would if I believed that was actually what happened.

[papageorge1]

27 minutes ago, Stiff said:

@stereologist I fear you (and countless others from this thread) are wasting your time with pg. He has a totally blinkered outlook.

Here's an emoji that should come in handy: 

All blinkers are off. My opinion is that I am hearing from types that insist on a version of facts that they like but can’t really know is true. Their blinkers are on towards the stuff in the OP video is my position.

[toast]

25 minutes ago, Stiff said:

@stereologist I fear you (and countless others from this thread) are wasting your time with pg.

Its our mission and its our duty to provide the readers of this board, members and guest, with the truth and real facts to prevent humanity from getting sillier as it still is. Especially when a poster is claiming GAIA.com, and all the other woo-woo channels, to be a source for education. I`m laughing my %$$ off. No I dont because its tragic that such a big number of adults believe in such crap.

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, toast said:

Its our mission and its our duty to provide the readers of this board, members and guest, with the truth and real facts to prevent humanity from getting sillier as it still is. Especially when a poster is claiming GAIA.com, and all the other woo-woo channels, to be a source for education. I`m laughing my %$$ off. No I dont because its tragic that such a big number of adults believe in such crap.

That's the way I look at it. Especially when it comes to  doomsday "prophets?" and racist misinformation about my people. 

[papageorge1]

36 minutes ago, toast said:

Its our mission and its our duty to provide the readers of this board, members and guest, with the truth and real facts to prevent humanity from getting sillier as it still is. 

The above is something pg agrees with.

Except he sees a different silliness than the poster. He sees the silliness of a no-holds-barred clinging to worldviews contradicted by an ever-growing mountain of evidence suggesting otherwise.

Onwards the foot soldiers go to even the next thread topic.

Edited June 24, 2019 by papageorge1