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5 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

And people who claim to speak for god, or that god revealed things to them.....

 

It's is amusing how you pooh-pooh others beliefs in nonsense, yet cling steadfastly to your own 

what religion or belief  you do believe in ?

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Just now, docyabut2 said:

what religion or belief  you believe in ?

I have no religious beliefs. Nor do I subscribe to tarot readers, fortune tellers, faith healers, or psychics.

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7 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

I have no religious beliefs. Nor do I subscribe to tarot readers, fortune tellers, faith healers, or psychics.

so are you a atheist  that believes in only in  one life  that is over over?  I am a Christian in studying all those religions  

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1 minute ago, docyabut2 said:

so are you a atheist  that believes in only in  one life  that is over over? 

That is what the evidence would seem to indicate. Born, live, die.

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6 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

That is what the evidence would seem to indicate. Born, live, die.

Jodie there is evidence in a  science study  when the brain shuts down,  and is going on  

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Yes, there is. When the brain shuts down, you die.

If the brain is without oxygen for 7+ minutes, brain damage can occur. What is your point?

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22 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Yes, there is. When the brain shuts down, you die.

If the brain is without oxygen for 7+ minutes, brain damage can occur. What is your point?

there is a study in the UK when a person brain shuts down and can see something like one saw a shoe on a shelf of a window. They are still doing the study they are old and so many ideas of the pass

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One report of near death experience was of a man who had a heart attack and passed away, 2 minutes later after the doctor had left the room he came back to life and said he had seen a white shoe on the windowsill two rooms up from him. One of the nurses went 2 floors up to the room directly above and found there was a white sports shoe on the windowsill. The man later explained that he had floated out of his body, out the window and began drifting upwards where he saw the white shoe on the windowsill. There are many reports of such instances where someone will die on the operating table or in bed and see an event or object during the period of “being dead” and when conscious again inside their body recall details that are impossible to know from the perspective of a dead body.

https://healing4happiness.com/2013/10/28/after-death-what-happens-when-you-die/

 

 

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On 7/9/2019 at 9:39 PM, docyabut2 said:

One report of near death experience was of a man who had a heart attack and passed away, 2 minutes later after the doctor had left the room he came back to life and said he had seen a white shoe on the windowsill two rooms up from him. One of the nurses went 2 floors up to the room directly above and found there was a white sports shoe on the windowsill. The man later explained that he had floated out of his body, out the window and began drifting upwards where he saw the white shoe on the windowsill. There are many reports of such instances where someone will die on the operating table or in bed and see an event or object during the period of “being dead” and when conscious again inside their body recall details that are impossible to know from the perspective of a dead body.

https://healing4happiness.com/2013/10/28/after-death-what-happens-when-you-die/

 

 

I know this won't matter to you, or to anyone who believes as you do, but your link is, to me, a pile of garbage.

The stories are vague. No dates of occurrences, no names (or either of hospitals, doctors, nurses, or principle players). There is no way to verify that these tales actually happened.

Stories like these are the same as telling ghost stories around a campfire. 

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On 7/9/2019 at 8:39 PM, docyabut2 said:

There are many reports of such instances where someone will die on the operating table or in bed and see an event or object during the period of “being dead” and when conscious again inside their body recall details that are impossible to know from the perspective of a dead body.

This is 100% true.  Because a dead body has no perspective.  Because a dead body is...dead.  If one is alive...it is because one has never been dead...because dead people don't come back to life.  Ever. Never. Period. 

So, what that should tell us is that something else is happening mentally upon consciousness regaining a foothold.  

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20 hours ago, joc said:

This is 100% true.  Because a dead body has no perspective.  Because a dead body is...dead.  If one is alive...it is because one has never been dead...because dead people don't come back to life.  Ever. Never. Period. 

So, what that should tell us is that something else is happening mentally upon consciousness regaining a foothold.  

joc  been studying on all the reports of life after death, all my life. All the OBE `s NDE`s.Science  says its just eye tunnel visions and elusions,  but they can never explained a record of the activity in the brain, when the brain is dead  of no  activity.  Remembering  its why  the UK scientists  are trying to test again of what people see something out of their bodies , when there is no recordings  of a brain`s  activity.  We`ve been  through that  so much  auguring  in years :rolleyes:

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5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

joc  been studying on all the reports of life after death, all my life. All the OBE `s NDE`s.Science  says its just eye tunnel visions and elusions,  but they can never explained a record of the activity in the brain, when the brain is dead  of no  activity.  Remembering  its why  the UK scientists  are trying to test again of what people see something out of their bodies , when there is no recordings  of a brain`s  activity.  We`ve been  through that  so much  auguring  in years :rolleyes:

Many years ago a medical journal introduced the case of a man who had a heart defect. To access the problem it was necessary to remove ALL of the blood from the man's body. The man's blood was circulated and oxygenated through tubes literally above the operating table. His body temperature was lowered to 54 degrees Fahrenheit.

His heart was then operated on and his body temperature was raised and his blood was transfused back into his body. He was revived.

What that demonstrated was that the life is in the blood...not the body...if the blood dies...you are dead!   This man on the operating table had no pulse...he had no brain waves.

NDE  is an experience where the blood isn't dead and the patient is revived.  Brain waves are not a factor therefore in anything related to a NDE.

How would you explain a virtual corpse with zero blood cells coming back to life?  The life IS the blood. Obviously the lack of brain activity has little to do with death. It is the death of the blood. If you have a NDE and come back...it is because your blood wasn't dead.

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Some people get carried away with shows like True Blood.

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2 hours ago, joc said:

Many years ago a medical journal introduced the case of a man who had a heart defect. To access the problem it was necessary to remove ALL of the blood from the man's body. The man's blood was circulated and oxygenated through tubes literally above the operating table. His body temperature was lowered to 54 degrees Fahrenheit.

His heart was then operated on and his body temperature was raised and his blood was transfused back into his body. He was revived.

What that demonstrated was that the life is in the blood...not the body...if the blood dies...you are dead!   This man on the operating table had no pulse...he had no brain waves.

NDE  is an experience where the blood isn't dead and the patient is revived.  Brain waves are not a factor therefore in anything related to a NDE.

How would you explain a virtual corpse with zero blood cells coming back to life?  The life IS the blood. Obviously the lack of brain activity has little to do with death. It is the death of the blood. If you have a NDE and come back...it is because your blood wasn't dead.

What, one case,not much imo and proves little compared to thousands of NDE's where people have described things they could not have seen even conscious on the operating table.

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6 hours ago, openozy said:

What, one case,not much imo and proves little compared to thousands of NDE's where people have described things they could not have seen even conscious on the operating table.

Being unconscious is not the same thing as being dead. Both conscious and unconscious states of mind are products of life.   

The brain may not be producing measurable brain activity...but the ears are still hearing...and what they are hearing could very well be imaged onto neurons in the brain...same with eyes.  Upon reviving the heart and breathing and brain activity returns...these images of unconsciousness are imprinted into the patients memory and then 'remembered'.

 

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10 hours ago, joc said:

Being unconscious is not the same thing as being dead. Both conscious and unconscious states of mind are products of life.   

The brain may not be producing measurable brain activity...but the ears are still hearing...and what they are hearing could very well be imaged onto neurons in the brain...same with eyes.  Upon reviving the heart and breathing and brain activity returns...these images of unconsciousness are imprinted into the patients memory and then 'remembered'.

 

That doesn't explain patients that have died and were above their body seeing objects unable to be viewed from the ground and describing the operating procedure when you would call unconscious but are dead to the surgeons,but in a way you are right,their spirits were still close by and had not crossed over so not dead,dead.

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On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 12:00 AM, joc said:

Many years ago a medical journal introduced the case of a man who had a heart defect. To access the problem it was necessary to remove ALL of the blood from the man's body. The man's blood was circulated and oxygenated through tubes literally above the operating table. His body temperature was lowered to 54 degrees Fahrenheit.

His heart was then operated on and his body temperature was raised and his blood was transfused back into his body. He was revived.

What that demonstrated was that the life is in the blood...not the body...if the blood dies...you are dead!   This man on the operating table had no pulse...he had no brain waves.

NDE  is an experience where the blood isn't dead and the patient is revived.  Brain waves are not a factor therefore in anything related to a NDE.

How would you explain a virtual corpse with zero blood cells coming back to life?  The life IS the blood. Obviously the lack of brain activity has little to do with death. It is the death of the blood. If you have a NDE and come back...it is because your blood wasn't dead.

Yes it could be in the blood and organs that  go on in memories cells.

I know the Jehovah`s witnesses believe life is in the blood and won`ntt give their blood away.

 

The seat of our mind, our consciousness, our very soul - if such a thing exists - lies in the brain.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-558271/Can-really-transplant-human-soul.html

but what about the brain activity that goes on?  

 

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5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Yes it could be in the blood and organs that  go on in memories cells.

I know the Jehovah`s witnesses believe life is in the blood and won`ntt give their blood away.

 

The seat of our mind, our consciousness, our very soul - if such a thing exists - lies in the brain.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-558271/Can-really-transplant-human-soul.html

but what about the brain activity that goes on?  

 

Interesting article.  I think there is a connection between memory and dna.  Receiving another persons heart means you are also receiving their dna.  It makes since that the dna from the heart would connect with the dna of the body and whallah...you have knew memory...in your dna...which is not in your brain memory.

 

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On ‎7‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 11:57 PM, joc said:

Interesting article.  I think there is a connection between memory and dna.  Receiving another persons heart means you are also receiving their dna.  It makes since that the dna from the heart would connect with the dna of the body and whallah...you have knew memory...in your dna...which is not in your brain memory.

 

We are tying to find any evidence that the mind still goes on., out of the body. Cells go on, but what about the mind?

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2 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Cells go on, but what about the mind?

What do you mean "cells go on"?

 

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1 hour ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

What do you mean "cells go on"?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-558271/Can-really-transplant-human-soul.html

 

For a few brave scientists have started claiming that our memories and characters are encoded not just in our brain, but throughout our entire body.

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6 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-558271/Can-really-transplant-human-soul.html

 

For a few brave scientists have started claiming that our memories and characters are encoded not just in our brain, but throughout our entire body.

Oh for the love of sanity!

I have no response to this nonsense.

Carry on ducks, believe what you will.

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3 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

We are tying to find any evidence that the mind still goes on., out of the body. Cells go on, but what about the mind?

Have you ever had a conversation with a rock?  How about a piece of steel?  Do you talk to the log before it goes onto the fire?  These are all inanimate objects. They are not alive.  The rock is inanimate, the steel is inanimate, the log is part of a dead tree.  It's dead.

Everything works the same way...and I mean...EVERY FREAKING THING IN THE UNIVERSE.   It all works the same exact way...everything.  When  a living thing dies...it is dead.  There is no consciousness without the body.  There is no 'soul' that continues on.  The cells don't continue on. The mind doesn't continue on.  When you are dead you are dead!  The great LIE of Religion is that we have a soul that is immortal.  Pure hooey!  We don't.  There is nothing after death except a dead corpse.  Period!  This is called The Truth.  We have all been so conditioned since birth to believe something that, on its face, is completely ridiculous and totally unbelievable...but we jump through all kind of hoops to get to a 'place' of belief where it makes since.  Well, it doesn't make sense.  It is illogical, has absolutely no merit whatsoever.  The Truth...not belief...the Truth just is...it is not incumbent upon belief in order to be...it just is!

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On 7/9/2019 at 8:39 PM, docyabut2 said:

One of the nurses went 2 floors up to the room directly above and found there was a white sports shoe on the windowsill. The man later explained that he had floated out of his body, out the window and began drifting upwards where he saw the white shoe on the windowsill. There are many reports of such instances where someone will die on the operating table or in bed and see an event or object during the period of “being dead” and when conscious again inside their body recall details that are impossible to know from the perspective of a dead body.

Every single report is nothing more than hearsay.  If I told you I had been to Mars would you believe me....if I told you I got sucked into a worm hole while out in the woods and wound up a few seconds later on Mars...would you believe me?  Hearsay is completely, totally worthless...it doesn't count in court and it doesn't count in life.

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