danydandan Posted July 8, 2019 #226 Share Posted July 8, 2019 17 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: HIS wasn't considered a charity though. He wasn't giving his life with no expectations of any benefit, as a son of God he would have known he wasn't going to die permanently. cormac Then it wasn't a sacrifice at all. I think it falls into the term of charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted July 8, 2019 #227 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Charity ? How so ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted July 8, 2019 #228 Share Posted July 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, Habitat said: Charity ? How so ? By providing a picture of what and who God the Father really is, through the way Jesus lived his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted July 8, 2019 #229 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) On 7/5/2019 at 11:16 PM, darkmoonlady said: If Jesus were a comic book character, knowing he was the son of God and immortal, doesn't that make him dying on the cross meaningless? He knew he couldn't really die. Whatever pain he experienced he chose to experience, as a god he is capable of healing himself and just getting off the cross. I'm a skeptical pagan so call me biased but this has bothered me. I don't believe in the Bible and don't see it as real but even as a concept it seems like a problem. His death is always framed by his believers as a sacrifice or that he died for the sins of others but him knowing he could not die or die and come back makes that not a death FOR anything. More like a trick. I don’t see any trick. Indeed, since the spirit is immortal, and Christ, having supernormal abilities to revive the decomposed body of Lazarus, could restore his body and reappear among the living but once the religious authorities hunted to kill him, his apostles fled in fear and even testified that they do not know him, and one even betrayed, a crowd of people screamed "crucify him" and wished to save the life of the criminal and not the divine person, then to whom Christ had to come the second time? After all, Christ came not only to believers but also to unbelievers or false believers because they need faith more than believers. And since the authorities, the apostles and the people rejected him, he had nothing to do among this people at that time and he could only resurrect body and go to heaven previously met with their apostles who gave divine abilities. Spoiler God saves people because he himself plunged his spirit into the body of a person and due to which a person realizes himself as a person, therefore when lawlessness reigns on earth, God sends a messenger to support the law of dharma and prevent humanity from falling into chaos or being captured by the Devil. Also, Christ after death eased the plight of sinners in hell by making the laws of karma not so heavy, so he is not only the savior of the living on earth, but also those who suffer in hell, he also brought a new law of love and forgiveness of sinners. People cling to their identity and the avatar does not cling because they know that people are weak and need to be saved for the sake of divine purpose. 169. Christ came into the world to purify, not to fulfil. He himself foreknew the failure of his mission and the necessity of his return with the sword of God into a world that had rejected him. https://www.hinduwebsite.com/divinelife/auro/auro_aphorisms.asp I will tell you that these Jews have repeatedly rejected God and did not even listen to Moses who had to lead them in the desert for 40 years until the doubters die and the new generation of Jews obey him. The Jews themselves are a breakaway people from the Hindus but who have lost their faith and are disobedient people therefore will be forgiven after the second coming of Christ. Edited July 8, 2019 by Coil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted July 8, 2019 #230 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, danydandan said: Then it wasn't a sacrifice at all. I think it falls into the term of charity. And how many charities are you aware of where the giver must die, all the while knowing he won’t remain dead? I know of exactly zero. Sounds more like a con job to me. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWolf Posted July 8, 2019 #231 Share Posted July 8, 2019 He was running from the law. He clearly didn't want to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 8, 2019 #232 Share Posted July 8, 2019 The bread and fishes meal on the mount smells like fishy accounting if you ask me... ~ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted July 8, 2019 #233 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said: And how many charities are you aware of where the giver must die, all the while knowing he won’t remain dead? I know of exactly zero. Sounds more like a con job to me. cormac All organ donation's? But what I'm saying is, Jesus (or well the lads who wrote the Bible.) seen his death as a charitable contribution to absolve sin, because he seen (only in some Gospels) his death as not a sacrifice. The whole thing is a load of nonsense, but ye know what I mean. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted July 8, 2019 #234 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, third_eye said: The bread and fishes meal on the mount smells like fishy accounting if you ask me... ~ ... the gospels can't even agree on how many fish there were in the first place ! . .(or was it loaves?) sloppy BooK keeping. Edited July 8, 2019 by lightly 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted July 9, 2019 #235 Share Posted July 9, 2019 12 hours ago, danydandan said: Then it wasn't a sacrifice at all. I think it falls into the term of charity. And again, with respect, ANY act of charity involves a sacrifice, of some sort, on the part of the donor. Whether the donor considers it a sacrifice or not. As much as I loathe to use it, the new testament has a parable about the rich man and the widow, yes? The Widow's contribution of a "mite" was deemed more worthy, by Jeshua, because it was all she had. BUT, the 'rich man' sacrificed as well. It may not have had such a great impact on his life as the Widow's sacrifice, but he could have used that money for his own selfish purpose, nu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jodie.Lynne Posted July 9, 2019 Popular Post #236 Share Posted July 9, 2019 8 hours ago, danydandan said: All organ donation's? Yeah, but most people won't kill themselves in order for their organs to be harvested, yeah? 7 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted July 9, 2019 #237 Share Posted July 9, 2019 13 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said: As much as I loathe to use it, the new testament has a parable about the rich man and the widow, yes? The Widow's contribution of a "mite" was deemed more worthy, by Jeshua, because it was all she had Actually, it was TWO mites St. Luke 21. And he looked up,and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury. And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither Two mites. And he said, "Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow has cast in more than they all: (for what it's worth, there's my two mites worth). Hehe. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 9, 2019 #238 Share Posted July 9, 2019 JC is a all or nothing kinda God... ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted July 9, 2019 #239 Share Posted July 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, third_eye said: JC is a all or nothing kinda God... ~ Aren't they all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inversion5 Posted July 9, 2019 #240 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Jesus Christ! Lol. Jesus did not sacrifice himself, he was murdered and he had to accept it. If he came back from the dead, in a different form but still human like, then science must have something to say about it. The mystery continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 9, 2019 #241 Share Posted July 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said: Aren't they all. Not always... for example... Quote ~ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 9, 2019 #242 Share Posted July 9, 2019 34 minutes ago, Inversion5 said: Jesus Christ! Lol. Jesus did not sacrifice himself, he was murdered and he had to accept it. If he came back from the dead, in a different form but still human like, then science must have something to say about it. The mystery continues. No mystery, it's just a story. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted July 9, 2019 #243 Share Posted July 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, Inversion5 said: Jesus Christ! Lol. Jesus did not sacrifice himself, he was murdered and he had to accept it. If he came back from the dead, in a different form but still human like, then science must have something to say about it. The mystery continues. If Jesus would come back, he would end up again on the cross, for the second coming would be way to early cause there is so much more sin to commit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inversion5 Posted July 9, 2019 #244 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, XenoFish said: No mystery, it's just a story. Could be a true story. New "evidence" of a wall drawing puts the Jesus story closer to his supposed time https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-portrait-jesus-revealed-israeli-church-1396909 . If there was no mystery, then there is one now. But I still am not saying that I believe the story. I'm like 50/50 on it. I do believe science can show that a man can come back from the dead, albeit theoretical physics and the likes. If so, then the forces imposed on Jesus must of been that much greater than originally thought for the "universe" to have spit him back. Edited July 9, 2019 by Inversion5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted July 9, 2019 #245 Share Posted July 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, third_eye said: Not always... for example... ~ That sounds like "all or nothing" to me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 9, 2019 #246 Share Posted July 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Inversion5 said: Could be a true story. New "evidence" of a wall drawing puts the Jesus story closer to his supposed time https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-portrait-jesus-revealed-israeli-church-1396909 . If there was no mystery, then there is one now. But I still am not saying that I believe the story. I'm like 50/50 on it. I do believe science can show that a man can come back from the dead, albeit theoretical physics and the likes. If so, then the forces imposed on Jesus must of been that much greater than originally thought for the "universe" to have spit him back. I don't believe any of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inversion5 Posted July 9, 2019 #247 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I don't believe any of it. You're boring Enjoy your female escorts and cocaine While I have euphoria over some Jesus kid painting on a dirty wall in the desert. Edited July 9, 2019 by Inversion5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 9, 2019 #248 Share Posted July 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Inversion5 said: While I have euphoria over some Jesus kid painting on a dirty wall in the desert. Sounds very Catholic Priest to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 9, 2019 #249 Share Posted July 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said: That sounds like "all or nothing" to me. I guess it's all in the this or that with the Greeks... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted July 9, 2019 #250 Share Posted July 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, Inversion5 said: some Jesus kid painting on a dirty wall in the desert. I'm pretty sure I saw him in El Centro last winter. Or, it might have been just south of there in Imperial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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