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If Jesus was a god his death wasn't a sacrifi

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danydandan
17 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

HIS wasn't considered a charity though. He wasn't giving his life with no expectations of any benefit, as a son of God he would have known he wasn't going to die permanently. 

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Then it wasn't a sacrifice at all. I think it falls into the term of charity.

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Habitat

Charity ? How so ?

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Will Due
42 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Charity ? How so ?

 

By providing a picture of what and who God the Father really is, through the way Jesus lived his life.

 

 

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Coil
On 7/5/2019 at 11:16 PM, darkmoonlady said:

If Jesus were a comic book character, knowing he was the son of God and immortal, doesn't that make him dying on the cross meaningless? He knew he couldn't really die. Whatever pain he experienced he chose to experience, as a god he is capable of healing himself and just getting off the cross. I'm a skeptical pagan so call me biased but this has bothered me. I don't believe in the Bible and don't see it as real but even as a concept it seems like a problem. His death is always framed by his believers as a sacrifice or that he died for the sins of others but him knowing he could not die or die and come back makes that not a death FOR anything. More like a trick. 

I don’t see any trick. Indeed, since the spirit is immortal, and Christ, having supernormal abilities to revive the decomposed body of Lazarus, could restore his body and reappear among the living but once the religious authorities hunted  to kill him, his apostles fled in fear and even testified that they do not know him, and one even betrayed, a crowd of people screamed "crucify him" and wished to save the life of the criminal and not the divine person, then to whom Christ had to come the second time? After all, Christ came not only to believers but also to unbelievers or false believers because they need faith more than believers. And since the authorities, the apostles and the people rejected him, he had nothing to do among this people at that time and he could only resurrect body and go to heaven previously met with their apostles who gave divine abilities.

 

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God saves people because he himself plunged his spirit into the body of a person and due to which a person realizes himself as a person, therefore when lawlessness reigns on earth, God sends a messenger to support the law of dharma and prevent humanity from falling into chaos or being captured by the Devil. Also, Christ after death eased the plight of sinners in hell by making the laws of karma not so heavy, so he is not only the savior of the living on earth, but also those who suffer in hell, he also brought a new law of love and forgiveness of sinners.
People cling to their identity and the avatar does not cling because they know that people are weak and need to be saved for the sake of divine purpose.

169. Christ came into the world to purify, not to fulfil. He himself foreknew the failure of his mission and the necessity of his return with the sword of God into a world that had rejected him.

https://www.hinduwebsite.com/divinelife/auro/auro_aphorisms.asp

 

 
I will tell you that these Jews have repeatedly rejected God and did not even listen to Moses who had to lead them in the desert for 40 years until the doubters die and the new generation of Jews obey him. The Jews themselves are a breakaway people from the Hindus but who have lost their faith and are disobedient people therefore will be forgiven after the second coming of Christ.
 
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cormac mac airt
1 hour ago, danydandan said:

Then it wasn't a sacrifice at all. I think it falls into the term of charity.

And how many charities are you aware of where the giver must die, all the while knowing he won’t remain dead? I know of exactly zero. Sounds more like a con job to me. 

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GoldenWolf

He was running from the law.  He clearly didn't want to do it.

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third_eye

The bread and fishes meal on the mount smells like fishy accounting if you ask me... 

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danydandan
1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

And how many charities are you aware of where the giver must die, all the while knowing he won’t remain dead? I know of exactly zero. Sounds more like a con job to me. 

cormac

All organ donation's?

But what I'm saying is, Jesus (or well the lads who wrote the Bible.) seen his death as a charitable contribution to absolve sin, because he seen (only in some Gospels) his death as not a sacrifice.

The whole thing is a load of nonsense, but ye know what I mean.

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lightly
1 hour ago, third_eye said:

The bread and fishes meal on the mount smells like fishy accounting if you ask me... 

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     :lol:... the gospels can't even agree on how many fish there were in the first place !   . .(or was it loaves?)

sloppy BooK keeping.

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Jodie.Lynne
12 hours ago, danydandan said:

Then it wasn't a sacrifice at all. I think it falls into the term of charity.

And again, with respect, ANY act of charity involves a sacrifice, of some sort, on the part of the donor. Whether the donor considers it a sacrifice or not.

 

As much as I loathe to use it, the new testament has a parable about the rich man and the widow, yes? The Widow's contribution of a "mite" was deemed more worthy, by Jeshua, because it was all she had. BUT, the 'rich man' sacrificed as well. It may not have had such a great impact on his life as the Widow's sacrifice, but he could have used that money for his own selfish purpose, nu?

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13 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

 

 

As much as I loathe to use it, the new testament has a parable about the rich man and the widow, yes? The Widow's contribution of a "mite" was deemed more worthy, by Jeshua, because it was all she had

Actually, it was TWO mites :lol:    

St. Luke 21.      And he looked up,and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither Two mites.

And he said,  "Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow has cast in more than they all:

(for what it's worth,  there's my two mites worth). Hehe.

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third_eye

JC is a all or nothing kinda God... 

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Desertrat56
6 minutes ago, third_eye said:

JC is a all or nothing kinda God... 

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Aren't they all.

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Inversion5

Jesus Christ! Lol. Jesus did not sacrifice himself, he was murdered and he had to accept it. If he came back from the dead, in a different form but still human like, then science must have something to say about it. The mystery continues.

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third_eye
35 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Aren't they all.

Not always... for example... 

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XenoFish
34 minutes ago, Inversion5 said:

Jesus Christ! Lol. Jesus did not sacrifice himself, he was murdered and he had to accept it. If he came back from the dead, in a different form but still human like, then science must have something to say about it. The mystery continues.

No mystery, it's just a story. 

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odas
43 minutes ago, Inversion5 said:

Jesus Christ! Lol. Jesus did not sacrifice himself, he was murdered and he had to accept it. If he came back from the dead, in a different form but still human like, then science must have something to say about it. The mystery continues.

If Jesus would come back, he would end up again on the cross, for the second coming would be way to early cause there is so much more sin to commit.

 

 

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Inversion5
31 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

No mystery, it's just a story. 

Could be a true story. New "evidence" of a wall drawing puts the Jesus story closer to his supposed time https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-portrait-jesus-revealed-israeli-church-1396909 . If there was no mystery, then there is one now. But I still am not saying that I believe the story. I'm like 50/50 on it. I do believe science can show that a man can come back from the dead, albeit theoretical physics and the likes. If so, then the forces imposed on Jesus must of been that much greater than originally thought for the "universe" to have spit him back. 

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Desertrat56
30 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Not always... for example... 

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That sounds like "all or nothing" to me.

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XenoFish
11 minutes ago, Inversion5 said:

Could be a true story. New "evidence" of a wall drawing puts the Jesus story closer to his supposed time https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-portrait-jesus-revealed-israeli-church-1396909 . If there was no mystery, then there is one now. But I still am not saying that I believe the story. I'm like 50/50 on it. I do believe science can show that a man can come back from the dead, albeit theoretical physics and the likes. If so, then the forces imposed on Jesus must of been that much greater than originally thought for the "universe" to have spit him back. 

I don't believe any of it. 

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Inversion5
5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I don't believe any of it. 

You're boring :lol: Enjoy your female escorts and cocaine ;) While I have euphoria over some Jesus kid painting on a dirty wall in the desert.:rofl:

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XenoFish
3 minutes ago, Inversion5 said:

While I have euphoria over some Jesus kid painting on a dirty wall in the desert.:rofl:

Sounds very Catholic Priest to me.

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third_eye
19 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

That sounds like "all or nothing" to me.

I guess it's all in the this or that with the Greeks...

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29 minutes ago, Inversion5 said:

 some Jesus kid painting on a dirty wall in the desert.:rofl:

I'm pretty sure I saw him in El Centro last winter.   Or, it might have been just south of there in Imperial.

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