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spud the mackem
52 minutes ago, Setton said:

Not sure I follow. 

The UK has consistently tried to support the JCPOA long after the US withdrew. Our preference has and is an Iran that follows international law, rather than the imperialistic goals of the US. 

Escalating tensions doesn't benefit us in any way. 

And when did Iran follow international law , they have  a religious fanatical Dictator and the ordinary people are s*** scared to say anything ,as if they do they just disappear .

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5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

They never mentioned hijacking. 

I used that term because seizing a ship in international waters is referred to as "hijacking" as well.  We can call it an invitation to a salt-water sock hop if they like, a rose by any other name and all that.  And I am merely repeating what one of their berobed intelligentsia referred to it as.  I also seem to recall them boarding a foreign-flagged vessel after the initial tanker attacks and urging the crew to come with them for a little sit-down?  

The bottom line is that they are becoming increasingly frustrated and are having trouble finding proxies to use to back-stab people so they're showing the truer side of their nature.  

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Space Commander Travis
35 minutes ago, and then said:

The bottom line is that they are becoming increasingly frustrated and are having trouble finding proxies to use to back-stab people so they're showing the truer side of their nature.  

Yes, I agree.

You were talking about Israel, weren't you. 

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Space Commander Travis
1 hour ago, spud the mackem said:

And when did Iran follow international law , they have  a religious fanatical Dictator and the ordinary people are s*** scared to say anything ,as if they do they just disappear .

I think you meant to type the word "Israel" there but you typed "Iran" instead.

Or possibly even you meant to type "USA". :unsure2: 

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Setton
2 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


Oh, I dont know, add unto a continuous effort to demonise and criminalise Iran by the usual suspects (that includes GB, btw). Ask yourself this: what does Iran stand to gain from escalating tensions with GB, especially when so many accusations are flying around from 'British allies'?

You know its rather qaint you would stand (extremely) critical towards the paperthin accusations when hailing from the US.. But at the moment GB promotes similar shallow accusations, its suddenly solid as a rock. While she was complicit in at the very least the most proven deceit leading to a war of agression.

A wee bit nationalist, defensive in favor of your own nation vielleicht?

Firstly, Iran won't see this as an escalation. Their approach is tit-for-tat. We detain their tanker, they detain ours. This is saving face, not escalation. 

Secondly, I don't doubt Iran's responsibility for the other attacks but I also don't trust the US motives and hold them ultimately responsible for the current situation. 

And thirdly, yes, I trust our civil service and intelligence services more than their US counterparts. 

2 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


Ah so the promoted narrative doesnt imply how such a 'WMD' has gotten onto the streets of Britain? Youre saying you dont need to know how this happened exactly, because other threats might learn how to fail miserably using 'the deadliest nerve agent known to Man' on two unsuspecting civilians.. who are, as we all know, alive and kicking. But have never been allowed to speak openly about what transpired.

Because.. (wait for it) National Security!

Swell!

Funnily enough, I'm quite happy every crazy doesn't get a handbook on how to bypass all our security. 

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Setton
2 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

And when did Iran follow international law , they have  a religious fanatical Dictator and the ordinary people are s*** scared to say anything ,as if they do they just disappear .

Which is why we wanted to give them incentives to do so. Through the JCPOA. 

Unfortunately, the US seems to solve every problem by shooting it. 

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Earl.Of.Trumps
4 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

And when did Iran follow international law , they have  a religious fanatical Dictator and the ordinary people are s*** scared to say anything ,as if they do they just disappear .

Spud,  I know my country (and I have also read, with UK assisting) overthrew the duly elected president of Iran, which eventually led to the revolution in Iran. I want you to peruse this bloggers response to it. it's chilling.  Blane Beckwith, Blogger
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The US government overthrew the duly elected democratic government of Iran because the person who was elected, named Mossadegh had a friendly relationship with the Soviet Union. The reasons for the overthrow were twofold; the anti-Communist paranoia that ran rampant in our country, especially during the early 50s, and a greedy urge for a cheap source of petroleum which was a highly developing industry in Iran.

These two factors combined gave the United States a twisted sense of "justification" for overthrowing Mr. Mossadegh and returning the once deposed Shah of Iran to power. Even though he ruled Iran as a totalitarian state with no semblance of democracy, he did however satisfy American oil companies by granting them a source of basically cheap petroleum and the US governments anti-Soviet paranoia. It was a win-win situation for everyone, except the Iranian people and the deposed Mr. Mossadegh. It is little wonder that present-day Iran has such hatred for the United States.
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The United States government has two words to say about any country that has friendly ties to Russia/USSR, "Nuke 'em". The United States is spreading "Peace and Democracy" to the world...?  What a BLEEPING joke!!  

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25 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

It is little wonder that present-day Iran has such hatred for the United States.

Only they DON'T.  Their youth - over half the population - would LOVE to have U.S. style freedom of choice.  The U.S. has done NOTHING that Britain didn't do before her, and worse, FTM.  I don't attempt to justify what our nation has done, just to set it into the proper context.  Human beings are an evil, corruptible lot on their best days and the U.S. is just continuing the tradition - just in a more spectacularly efficient manner.  If Iran manages to get its military infrastructure all broke down, busted up, it will be IRAN'S fault for pursuing nukes while spitting insane vitriol against other nations.  That last part seems to escape you. So spew away, but if Iran were threatening you with death on every public occasion, I doubt you'd be as casual in supporting them.  In fact, if they considered Russia or China as their foes, I doubt the topic would even come up for discussion here.

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2 hours ago, Setton said:

Which is why we wanted to give them incentives to do so. Through the JCPOA. 

Unfortunately, the US seems to solve every problem by shooting it. 

And a damned fine job we do of it when necessary.  BTW...WE determine when it is necessary.  

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Earl.Of.Trumps
2 minutes ago, and then said:

And a damned fine job we do of it when necessary.  BTW...WE determine when it is necessary.  

Yes, and to think that the US could determine it was time to invade Iran because of the downed US drone, that was nothing more than a setup over Iranian territorial waters for purposes of going to war. Yup. Wunnerful'.  No need for the UN to determine of Iran was guilty or not, it's all on the US.

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Setton
14 minutes ago, and then said:

And a damned fine job we do of it when necessary.  BTW...WE determine when it is necessary.  

Yes.... 

And then you have the nerve to threaten Iran for violation of international law :rolleyes:

Oh well, your country might grow up one day. 

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Habitat
8 hours ago, Setton said:

Proving just how thorough they are. 

Bet no one ELSE found it did they?! Well?! 

It (the hazard) was charted, if I recall correctly. Some wag said the next navigational hazard after that rock was South America.

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RoofGardener
21 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


You wouldnt know the effects of a WMD if it hit you in the left eye, Gardener. The mere fact you are claiming 'WMD!' in regards to a highly questionable incident that cost a single British national her life is beyond comical.

Want WMD? Take a good look at Iraq, which your nation lied into a war just like the US some of your countrymen love to lament, like your government is any different. Take a good look at the chaos, number of innocent lives lost, number of mamed children being born from the use of DU ammunition. You got a single casualty and youre crying WMD, typical utterly subjective nonsense.

 

  1. Chemical weapons are defined by the UN and NATO as a weapon of mass destruction. Deal with it. 
  2. Stop changing the subject. We are talking about the attempted interception of a British oil tanker by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, not the invasion of Iraq.

     

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RoofGardener
21 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

Like all Arab nations ,show them a little force and they crap out . I've been in the Persian Gulf many times ,and we were treated with contempt , so in retaliation we put a shoulder of ham at the gang plank entrance . That sorted them out. 

Iran is not an Arab nation. It's Persian. 

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spud the mackem
19 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

I think you meant to type the word "Israel" there but you typed "Iran" instead.

Or possibly even you meant to type "USA". :unsure2: 

Bol***ks I don't make mistakes in what I text.

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RoofGardener
19 hours ago, Setton said:

Secondly, I don't doubt Iran's responsibility for the other attacks but I also don't trust the US motives and hold them ultimately responsible for the current situation. 

You DO ? Why on earth do you hold the US responsible for the UK upholding an EU embargo ?

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spud the mackem
10 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Iran is not an Arab nation. It's Persian. 

The "Persians" were kicked out years ago , and having been there as far as I am concerned they are all Arabs , and not worth bothering about ,but the problem is Oil ,and they don't sell it to U.K or U.S.A .

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Phaeton80
10 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:
  1. Chemical weapons are defined by the UN and NATO as a weapon of mass destruction. Deal with it. 
  2. Stop changing the subject. We are talking about the attempted interception of a British oil tanker by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, not the invasion of Iraq.

     


Were talking about a supposed Iranian attempt at hijack of a British oil tanker being escorted by a warship.. I proposed such a scenario would be implausible given the strategical dimness needed for such a self defeating guarantee at failure and increasing international pressure on Iran in an already extremely volatile context. To which you implied the people on the tanker would certainly bring any misinformation to the attention of the public if that would be the case. I subsequently supplied examples where this was prevented by the resp. governments.

To which you started to scream WMD's regarding a single British national's death on British soil by a supposed foreign actor. Which, if true, would be a first - single death - in decades. While your nation has dealt mass destruction and mass death on a regular basis across the globe in the slipstream of your ally USA.

Know whats deranged Gardener? Screaming WMD! like a disgruntled child when a single British citizen is killed while you and your allies have been mass bombing, mass murdering, and mass seeding DU ammunition across the ME reducing it to terrorist breedingground hellholes. When countless non Brittish civilians are massacred by your nation you shrug your shoulders, when a single Brit is killed the world suddenly isnt big enough, youre ready to go to war.

Know whats a real WMD? The sheer stupidity of the Western public gobbling up these warmongering narratives time and time again, greenlighting and even cheering on war after deceitful war, mass murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings in the process.

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RoofGardener
14 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


Were talking about a supposed Iranian attempt at hijack of a British oil tanker being escorted by a warship.. I proposed such a scenario would be implausible given the strategical dimness needed for such a self defeating guarantee at failure and increasing international pressure on Iran in an already extremely volatile context. To which you implied the people on the tanker would certainly bring any misinformation to the attention of the public if that would be the case. I subsequently supplied examples where this was prevented by the resp. governments.

The commander of the small boat flotilla may not have been aware of the existence of the Montrose when they planned to intercept the British Heritage. The idea that the crew of a merchant ship (many of whom wouldn't even BE British) could be somehow "gagged" by the British Government over an incident that happened OUTSIDE of British waters is just ridiculous, and betrays an ignorance of law, politics, and reality. 

14 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

To which you started to scream WMD's regarding a single British national's death on British soil by a supposed foreign actor. Which, if true, would be a first - single death - in decades. While your nation has dealt mass destruction and mass death on a regular basis across the globe in the slipstream of your ally USA.

Know whats deranged Gardener? Screaming WMD! like a disgruntled child when a single British citizen is killed while you and your allies have been mass bombing, mass murdering, and mass seeding DU ammunition across the ME reducing it to terrorist breedingground hellholes. When countless non Brittish civilians are massacred by your nation you shrug your shoulders, when a single Brit is killed the world suddenly isnt big enough, youre ready to go to war.

Know whats a real WMD? The sheer stupidity of the Western public gobbling up these warmongering narratives time and time again, greenlighting and even cheering on war after deceitful war, mass murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings in the process.

I called the chemical weapon a WMD because it IS a WMD. As for your blunderbuss comments about war in the middle east, they are neither pertinent to this discussion, or even rational. As you seem to hate Western governments, could I suggest you emigrate to Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, or perhaps China ? 

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Setton
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

You DO ? Why on earth do you hold the US responsible for the UK upholding an EU embargo ?

That's not what I said, is it? 

I said I hold the US responsible for the current situation. If they hadn't pulled out of a deal everyone else was sticking to, tensions with Iran would be easing, not increasing. We would then have been able to detain the tanker without them assuming it was on US orders and have a diplomatic conversation with them on why we won't let them send oil to Syria. 

Instead, the US has scuppered all of that for internal politics and taken away the only carrot and the only stick we had. 

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RoofGardener
4 minutes ago, Setton said:

That's not what I said, is it? 

I said I hold the US responsible for the current situation. If they hadn't pulled out of a deal everyone else was sticking to, tensions with Iran would be easing, not increasing. We would then have been able to detain the tanker without them assuming it was on US orders and have a diplomatic conversation with them on why we won't let them send oil to Syria. 

Instead, the US has scuppered all of that for internal politics and taken away the only carrot and the only stick we had. 

Hmm... no, I don't think so. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard harrassed the British Heritage because the UK seized a ship carrying Iranian oil to Syria. America had nothing to do with it. 

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Setton
28 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm... no, I don't think so. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard harrassed the British Heritage because the UK seized a ship carrying Iranian oil to Syria. America had nothing to do with it. 

Which, as I just said, would not have been viewed in the same way if not for US actions. 

Fortunately, looks like we might be able to defuse the situation and stick two fingers up to the Americans at the same time:

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Iranian tanker will be released if oil isn't going to Syria, says Hunt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/48977093

 

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RoofGardener
3 minutes ago, Setton said:

Which, as I just said, would not have been viewed in the same way if not for US actions. 

Fortunately, looks like we might be able to defuse the situation and stick two fingers up to the Americans at the same time:

 

Well.. perhaps.. but ask yourself.. where ELSE could the Oil have been going to ? I mean.. it COULD have been going to France, Spain, Greece, Malta, or Turkey I guess. 

Ooooh... or Israel :P:D 

But is that likely ? 

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Mr.United_Nations
22 minutes ago, Setton said:

Which, as I just said, would not have been viewed in the same way if not for US actions. 

Fortunately, looks like we might be able to defuse the situation and stick two fingers up to the Americans at the same time:

 

Not really 

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Setton
23 minutes ago, Mr.United_Nations said:

Not really 

Thanks for the detailed analysis. 

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