Still Waters Posted July 16, 2019 #1 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Thousands of pieces of tools, jewellery, figurines, seeds and other objects have been found at the site of a huge 9,000-year-old settlement from the Neolithic period uncovered in Israel. Archaeologists believe that the site, located near Motza Junction, 5km (3 miles) west of Jerusalem, was once a city housing as many as 3,000 residents. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49002046 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted July 16, 2019 #2 Share Posted July 16, 2019 A city of 3000 people 9000 years ago ? That's surely extraordinary ? How did they manage to supply water (and sanitation) to such a large number of people ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted July 16, 2019 Author #3 Share Posted July 16, 2019 49 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: A city of 3000 people 9000 years ago ? That's surely extraordinary ? How did they manage to supply water (and sanitation) to such a large number of people ? From a different source link: Quote In the ancient, unrecorded past as well as today, the site is situated on the banks of Nahal Sorek and other water sources. The fertile valley is on an ancient path connecting the Shefela (foothills) region to Jerusalem, said the IAA. “These optimal conditions are a central reason for long-term settlement on this site, from the Epipaleolithic Period, around 20,000 years ago, to the present day,” according to the press release. https://www.timesofisrael.com/vast-and-developed-9000-year-old-settlement-uncovered-near-jerusalem/ 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted July 16, 2019 #4 Share Posted July 16, 2019 It begs the question; why did it disappear ? Why didn't it thrive, and remain as a major city (such as Jerusalem or Baghdad) today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted July 16, 2019 #5 Share Posted July 16, 2019 It is close to Jerusalem it says and a highway runs through it with a large buildup across the river so it seems still populated a good bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 16, 2019 #6 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 hours ago, RoofGardener said: It begs the question; why did it disappear ? Why didn't it thrive, and remain as a major city (such as Jerusalem or Baghdad) today ? Because according to legend, the neighbors’ new god got all uppity and on his commands they started killing anybody who wasn’t Hebrew. —Jaylemurph 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted July 17, 2019 #7 Share Posted July 17, 2019 9 hours ago, jaylemurph said: Because according to legend, the neighbors’ new god got all uppity and on his commands they started killing anybody who wasn’t Hebrew. —Jaylemurph Truly ? Well, that was JOLLY rude of them ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted July 28, 2019 #8 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I'm sorry Still Waters. I'll just move my link to here. https://foxsanantonio.com/news/nation-world/jerusalem-9000-year-old-city-found-under-vineyard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted July 29, 2019 #9 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) On 7/16/2019 at 8:46 AM, Still Waters said: Thousands of pieces of tools, jewellery, figurines, seeds and other objects have been found at the site of a huge 9,000-year-old settlement from the Neolithic period uncovered in Israel. Archaeologists believe that the site, located near Motza Junction, 5km (3 miles) west of Jerusalem, was once a city housing as many as 3,000 residents. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49002046 wonder if the articles were from Moses or could have been a culture out of Africa 200,00 years ago Edited July 29, 2019 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 29, 2019 #10 Share Posted July 29, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 10:48 PM, Still Waters said: From a different source link: This will be a game changer, a lot of what we thought knew will be thrown out the window. Great thread, thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 30, 2019 #11 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/28/2019 at 7:16 PM, Manwon Lender said: This will be a game changer, a lot of what we thought knew will be thrown out the window. Great thread, thanks for sharing. What exactly is it going ti change? —Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 31, 2019 #12 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, jaylemurph said: What exactly is it going ti change? —Jaylemurph This is the oldest known settlement found, anywhere in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 31, 2019 #13 Share Posted July 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: This is the oldest known settlement found, anywhere in the world. So what, exactly, is so totally changed? What is "going out the window"? And it's not the oldest settlement found, it's the oldest city. Big, big difference. --Jaylemurph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 31, 2019 #14 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: So what, exactly, is so totally changed? What is "going out the window"? And it's not the oldest settlement found, it's the oldest city. Big, big difference. --Jaylemurph Thanks for the correction, city. The dates and time frame of when cities were first built and inhabited, will be a major change to our knowledge. This will cause much history to be rewritten. sorry if you don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 31, 2019 #15 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: Thanks for the correction, city. The dates and time frame of when cities were first built and inhabited, will be a major change to our knowledge. This will cause much history to be rewritten. sorry if you don't agree. I guess I can't make myself any clearer asking what exactly is going to be different. And apparently you can't or won't answer the question. --Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 31, 2019 #16 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: I guess I can't make myself any clearer asking what exactly is going to be different. And apparently you can't or won't answer the question. --Jaylemurph You obviously have an opinion on this subject please post it. I know you don't agree with mine, it will save time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 31, 2019 #17 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I’m asking you something specific, which you seem unable or unwilling to answer. For example: You: The color of this table has changed! This will rewrite history! Me: In what way? You: It changes history. Me: That’s not an answer to what I asked. If everything is going to change, you should be able to describe one, specific, exact change. You: Everything we know about tables will change! Me: You’ve already said that. You: Change! Me: What a table is has not changed. How we make tables has not changed. How we use them has not changed. The change in this particular table has not changed very much. So little in fact you cannot demonstrate anything has changed. You: You obviously don’t understand Me: Yep, I clearly have learned nothing from this exchange. —Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 31, 2019 #18 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: I’m asking you something specific, which you seem unable or unwilling to answer. For example: You: The color of this table has changed! This will rewrite history! Me: In what way? You: It changes history. Me: That’s not an answer to what I asked. If everything is going to change, you should be able to describe one, specific, exact change. You: Everything we know about tables will change! Me: You’ve already said that. You: Change! Me: What a table is has not changed. How we make tables has not changed. How we use them has not changed. The change in this particular table has not changed very much. So little in fact you cannot demonstrate anything has changed. You: You obviously don’t understand Me: Yep, I clearly have learned nothing from this exchange. —Jaylemurph Thanks your right I don't understand. i am done with thread. Edited July 31, 2019 by Manwon Lender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellon Man Posted July 31, 2019 #19 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) It is a game changer and will rewrite history. This is the first evidence which demonstrates Judea was not uninhabited during this period, as previously thought. This is not just a small site, but a large complex one. To sustain such a large population, varied economic means much have existed, which is also significant. Ali in all, this site is an important discovery and will help with tremendously Neolithic Revolution research. Edited July 31, 2019 by Mellon Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 2, 2019 #20 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) On July 31, 2019 at 2:51 AM, Mellon Man said: It is a game changer and will rewrite history. This is the first evidence which demonstrates Judea was not uninhabited during this period, as previously thought. This is not just a small site, but a large complex one. To sustain such a large population, varied economic means much have existed, which is also significant. Ali in all, this site is an important discovery and will help with tremendously Neolithic Revolution research. I'm not saying it isn't an important discovery. I jut wanted to know what specifically it would change, and your post provides some of that, which I appreciate. --Jaylemurph Edited August 2, 2019 by jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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