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Hammerclaw
Just now, cormac mac airt said:

Actually I’ve seen it or its equivalent used as a veiled threat from believer to unbeliever in an effort to enforce said belief or suffer Gods wrath or something similar, so calling it simply a statement of faith is a bit disingenuous IMO. Not saying that you would do that, however it does get used that way. 

cormac

That's rather tortuous and convoluted to make a negative point, not saying you would do that deliberately.

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DieChecker
Just now, XenoFish said:

That's subjective and not factual.

Religion is entirely subjective. :innocent: :devil:

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DieChecker
16 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Everyone is miserable. People just mask their suffering differently. 

That is subjective, and not factually based. 

:P

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DieChecker
19 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I have trouble assuming that things will work out because I prayed. To put trust and hope in thing unseen/unrealized. I lost my faith. Are it was faith that betrayed me. Either way I can't form such beliefs anymore. I try to hope, but I become extremely aware of the negative. The inevitable disappointment. So I have a lot of trouble understanding hopefulness, faith, and belief.

You've got life left to live. You never know what may happen...

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XenoFish
Just now, DieChecker said:

That is subjective, and not factually based. 

:P

Look at the world. No one is happy with anything. 

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cormac mac airt
3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

That's rather tortuous and convoluted to make a negative point, not saying you would do that deliberately.

Are you saying it’s NOT ever used that way? 

cormac

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XenoFish
Just now, DieChecker said:

You've got life left to live. You never know what may happen...

I'll eventually die. That's what will happen. 

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Hammerclaw
6 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I don't believe in happiness. If anything it's a temporary rush of feel good chemicals that rapidly vanishes. Then you're right back where you started. The pursuit of happiness is a fools errand. 

How very tragic and Shakespearian. 

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
20Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
25That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."                        Hamlet Act 5 Scene 5
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Habitat
7 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I don't believe in happiness. If anything it's a temporary rush of feel good chemicals that rapidly vanishes. Then you're right back where you started. The pursuit of happiness is a fools errand. 

Anhedonia. Re-boot required.

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XenoFish

Sorry I can't shut off my brain and pretend I have an imaginary 'father figure' that loves me unconditionally. 

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DieChecker
2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Look at the world. No one is happy with anything. 

I'm happy. My 2 year old nephew never stops laughing.

Look again. Look carefully. Go to a park. Go to a movie.

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XenoFish

Sorry I can't conform to everyone's :I'm happy all the f'n time philosophy.

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DieChecker
Just now, XenoFish said:

Sorry I can't shut off my brain and pretend I have an imaginary 'father figure' that loves me unconditionally. 

Dont have to, but you should be understanding, and I know you already are, of that many... almost All... other people can.

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Hammerclaw
1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

Are you saying it’s NOT ever used that way? 

cormac

I'm not saying anything, at all. I didn't say anything then and I'm not saying anything, now. This conversation and it's topic is of your own devise--and you're having it with yourself.

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Hammerclaw
2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Sorry I can't shut off my brain and pretend I have an imaginary 'father figure' that loves me unconditionally. 

Nobody cares.

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DieChecker
Just now, XenoFish said:

Sorry I can't conform to everyone's :I'm happy all the f'n time philosophy.

Just the fact others dont stop saying it should tell you you are wrong. You live your life the way you like... but others lives may vary...

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XenoFish
Just now, Hammerclaw said:

Nobody cares.

No one ever did.

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Hammerclaw
Just now, XenoFish said:

No one ever did.

Exactly.

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DieChecker
5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I'll eventually die. That's what will happen. 

And till then? Refuse to socialize? Refuse to allow that buzz...?

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XenoFish
Just now, DieChecker said:

And till then? Refuse to socialize? Refuse to allow that buzz...?

What's the payoff? 

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DieChecker
1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

No one ever did.

I care. I care about everyone. If.... if hell is real...I'd rather no one has to go there.

Living without happiness is, in itself, a living hell.

I'd advise looking for happiness for everyone.

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Habitat
2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Sorry I can't conform to everyone's :I'm happy all the f'n time philosophy.

big difference between "happy all the time" and never happy. Colloquially, "Misery Guts". No-one wants to know someone like that.

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DieChecker
Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

What's the payoff? 

Payoff? The good feeling... the feeling your not a waste of air. The feeling that someone does care. The feeling that you have worth. Worth that others admire.

Surely many posts here on UM make you happy to some degree...

I get a little "happy" kick with each Like, and everytime I watch my kids do something they really like.

Example: Building a Minecraft Zoo with my 8 year old boy. He gets so psyched. So energized.

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

Surely many posts here on UM make you happy to some degree...

No, not really. It's just like everything else, it's work. Put time and effort into something with very little payoff. Yet the vain effort is there. 

Nevermind. I'm out. 

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Sherapy
Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I care. I care about everyone. If.... if hell is real...I'd rather no one has to go there.

Living without happiness is, in itself, a living hell.

I'd advise looking for happiness for everyone.

How do you cope with the times you are not happy? No one is happy all the time. 

For me, being at peace, the contentment that is the crux of my being is far more valuable, yet, this too isn’t an all the time thing  either. 

I am with X on the “happy all the time” it is extreme. 

I don’t believe anyone who claims this either.

 

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