Swede Posted September 23, 2019 #776 Share Posted September 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, Polar said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Greenland_Orogen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Mountains No, No, and No. Kindly cease your pointless floundering. Your deluded premise is technically unsupportable on numerous levels. Period. At least have the courtesy to minimize wasting site band-width. . 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted September 23, 2019 #777 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Post # 772 not only DOESN’T support the idea that Greenland was in front of the PoH/SoG but is also irrelevant to the existence of our genus, dating back to 2.8 million years BP as well as our species circa 300,000 BP. cormac 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 23, 2019 #778 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 6:15 AM, Piney said: I always though Dionysus was actually Thracian, who were a branch of the Balkan folks and close cousins to the Greeks until I read the Minoan idea. I'm working on something right now but I'll PM you a few books which are really good written by a friend of mine. I wrote an article on the Thracian origin of Dionysus —or rather, Zagreus, his nocturnal counterpart. Sounds like I need to revisit its conclusions, though, in light of Minoan influence. ...although I think I used some Linear A as evidence of something or other. It’s been five years or more since I wrote it. —Jaylemurph 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 23, 2019 #779 Share Posted September 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, Swede said: No, No, and No. Kindly cease your pointless floundering. Your deluded premise is technically unsupportable on numerous levels. Period. At least have the courtesy to minimize wasting site band-width. . You know, I have the unpleasant hunch Oversword may have been right about Mario. He might be on the spectrum and incapable of meaningful interactions. —Jaylemurph 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 23, 2019 #780 Share Posted September 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Post # 772 not only DOESN’T support the idea that Greenland was in front of the PoH/SoG but is also irrelevant to the existence of our genus, dating back to 2.8 million years BP as well as our species circa 300,000 BP. cormac Maybe Atlantis was the Siberian Craton? It happened to be forming over the Icelandic Hotspot somewhere about the Carbofibberus. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 23, 2019 #781 Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: You know, I have the unpleasant hunch Oversword may have been right about Mario. He might be on the spectrum and incapable of meaningful interactions. —Jaylemurph Nope, our systemizing skills are too good no matter what the spectrum level.....call it "Autistic Pragmatism". He has none. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #782 Share Posted September 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: You know, I have the unpleasant hunch Oversword may have been right about Mario. He might be on the spectrum and incapable of meaningful interactions. —Jaylemurph Only took you 5 years to work that out. Speaks volumes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 23, 2019 #783 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Captain Risky said: Only took you 5 years to work that out. Speaks volumes... Notice no one’s giving /you/ the benefit of the doubt. Everyone realizes you’re just an [redacted]. —Jaylemurph 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #784 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 11:15 PM, Piney said: I always though Dionysus was actually Thracian, who were a branch of the Balkan folks and close cousins to the Greeks until I read the Minoan idea. I'm working on something right now but I'll PM you a few books which are really good written by a friend of mine. Dionysus was one of the original Olympian Gods. How is he Minoan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #785 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: Notice no one’s giving /you/ the benefit of the doubt. Everyone realizes you’re just an [redacted]. —Jaylemurph No let’s talk some more about this... so Jaylemurph spends the better part of 5 years screaming at a brick wall and then has an awakening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 23, 2019 #786 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Captain Risky said: Dionysus was one of the original Olympian Gods. How is he Minoan? He wasn't one of the PIE gods. The Olympians were a merger between the Paleo-Balkan gods and the Minoan ones. Athena was originally Minoan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #787 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #788 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Piney said: He wasn't one of the PIE gods. The Olympians were a merger between the Paleo-Balkan gods and the Minoan ones. Athena was originally Minoan. Piney were is your proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 23, 2019 #789 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Risky said: Piney were is your proof? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_snake_goddess_figurines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus#Origins 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 23, 2019 #790 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: Dionysus was one of the original Olympian Gods. How is he Minoan? Go read a book, Risky. No version of the birth of Dionysus has him as either a native Greek or an Olympian. He’s always presented as Asian/Eastern. As usual, you can’t just be wrong: you have to be obnoxiously wrong. —Jaylemurph 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #791 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Piney said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_snake_goddess_figurines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus#Origins Piney. Wine was an important part of Greek life. Must have also been important for the Minoans and every other contemporary civilisation in the Mediterranean basin. So they all had a God of wine. They had one for the sea and war and so on. Clearly Dionysus was the son of Zeus. The last of the original 12 Olympian Gods. It’s a stretch saying that they Mycenaean Greeks had to import a God to represent. And if they did then they wove him into the fabric of the Parthenon in such a way that it’s impossible to unravel him with pulling apart the whole of the Olympian world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #792 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: Go read a book, Risky. No version of the birth of Dionysus has him as either a native Greek or an Olympian. He’s always presented as Asian/Eastern. As usual, you can’t just be wrong: you have to be obnoxiously wrong. —Jaylemurph He was the son of Zeus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #793 Share Posted September 23, 2019 https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/gods/dionysus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 23, 2019 #794 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Captain Risky said: He was the son of Zeus. ...so were /dozens/ of other mythological heroes. None of them are Olympian gods, either. We’re well past the point where we all know you’re out of your depth and knowledge. You can stop shaming yourself whenever you’re ready. —Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 23, 2019 #795 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/gods/dionysus/ Look at you, reading a child’s website. Maybe you’re more self-aware than we give you credit for. —Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #796 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Even your Demi-god, @Swede is to cleaver to back you up on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #797 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: Look at you, reading a child’s website. Maybe you’re more self-aware than we give you credit for. —Jaylemurph The web site is for your benefit not mine...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 23, 2019 #798 Share Posted September 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: Piney. Wine was an important part of Greek life. Must have also been important for the Minoans and every other contemporary civilisation in the Mediterranean basin. So they all had a God of wine. They had one for the sea and war and so on. Clearly Dionysus was the son of Zeus. The last of the original 12 Olympian Gods. It’s a stretch saying that they Mycenaean Greeks had to import a God to represent. And if they did then they wove him into the fabric of the Parthenon in such a way that it’s impossible to unravel him with pulling apart the whole of the Olympian world. The PIE folks didn't have wine until they came into contact with Anatolia. Many PIE peoples were into fermented horse milk with herbs added prior to wine which was attached to a moon god. Here's another example of a borrowing. This time from the Semitic folks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis#Origin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 23, 2019 #799 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Piney said: The PIE folks didn't have wine until they came into contact with Anatolia. Many PIE peoples were into fermented horse milk with herbs added prior to wine which was attached to a moon god. Here's another example of a borrowing. This time from the Semitic folks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis#Origin Well we do t really know where the Greeks came from to make that call. Caspian Sea, Black Sea, Anatolia, Spain or Central Europe. But assuming that they knew nothing of the grape before coming to Greece it wouldn’t have taken long to associate one with wine. Could they have borrowed a local deity, we’ll yes but he would have become there own very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 23, 2019 #800 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Captain Risky said: Well we do t really know where the Greeks came from to make that call. Caspian Sea, Black Sea, Anatolia, Spain or Central Europe. Yes we do. That statement was ridiculous. They came right off the Pontic-Caspian Steppe during the PIE (Yamnaya) separation, probably because of a plague and as war parties. The Indo-Europeans went in one direction, the Indo-Iranians in another and the Paleo-Balkan-Armenian/Hittite went straight down Southward. The Balto-Slavics stayed right in the Urheimat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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