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Plato´s Atlantis was in a River Delta


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57 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

More than likely it is. Plato’s done it before and so have many other ancient Greek writers.  It still doesn’t change the fact that somewhere out there is Atlantis or the inspiration for Atlantis.

Since it was a allegory against the "bad attitude" of Athens, I would imagine Athens was the inspiration. 

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2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

More than likely it is. Plato’s done it before and so have many other ancient Greek writers.  It still doesn’t change the fact that somewhere out there is Atlantis or the inspiration for Atlantis.

You do understand people have a mental function called imagination that allows them to invent completely original ideas, right? No “inspiration” needed. For anything. 

Don’t tell me you’ve sat through an episode of Neighbours and confused it with reality TV.

—Jaylemurph 

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9 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Probably a mistranslation. 

There were of old, great and marvellous actions of the Athenian city, which have passed into oblivion through lapse of time and the destruction of mankind, and one in particular, greater than all the rest.

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4 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

It really comes down to this IMO, either Plato knows what he’s talking about which is nowhere in evidence or he doesn’t in which case the story has been made up either completely or in part. In either case only a fool pretends to know what Plato “really” meant as all there is to go on is what he said. 

cormac

And that is why you and others pretend to know he must have used the 'reality' of Atlantis as an allegory, despite otherwise what he is saying?

Jolly club :-)

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Just now, Van Gorp said:

And that is why you and others pretend to know he must have used the 'reality' of Atlantis as an allegory, despite otherwise what he is saying?

Jolly club :-)

No, as he says as much but then believers purposely ignore that in favor of what they want to be true. 

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6 minutes ago, Van Gorp said:

And that is why you and others pretend to know he must have used the 'reality' of Atlantis as an allegory, despite otherwise what he is saying?

Jolly club :-)

Did you actually read it?

He pretty much said he was making it up. 

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

Did you actually read it?

He pretty much said he was making it up. 

It's pretty obvious that that either never happened or that it wasn't remotely understood 'if' it did as Plato specifically says in Timaeus: 

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The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction,

we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city

of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined,

were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will

perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying

that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians.

But I'm sure that once again what Plato had to say will be ignored in favor of believers claiming to know what Plato "really" meant. 

cormac

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1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

But I'm sure that once again what Plato had to say will be ignored in favor of believers claiming to know what Plato "really" meant. 

Like Petty? Doesn't  read or speak Modern Greek let alone Attic but he somehow knows the deeper meaning Ben Jowett, a theologian in his own right, failed to see. 

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

Like Petty? Doesn't  read or speak Modern Greek let alone Attic but he somehow knows the deeper meaning Ben Jowett, a theologian in his own right, failed to see. 

You know how it is, when one makes crap up they can pretend to know everything. 

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4 hours ago, Van Gorp said:

There were of old, great and marvellous actions of the Athenian city, which have passed into oblivion through lapse of time and the destruction of mankind, and one in particular, greater than all the rest.

Am really quite too occupied with legitimate research to follow up on the following questions. However, other qualified individuals may be able to assist.

Kindly provide credible research that would support the above bolded statements.

You have four personal and quite assertive statements to address. Valid documentation awaited.

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6 hours ago, Piney said:

Since it was a allegory against the "bad attitude" of Athens, I would imagine Athens was the inspiration. 

Not sure what you’re getting at buddy.

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5 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

You do understand people have a mental function called imagination that allows them to invent completely original ideas, right? No “inspiration” needed. For anything. 

Don’t tell me you’ve sat through an episode of Neighbours and confused it with reality TV.

—Jaylemurph 

 Neighbours is based on a local neighbourhood and it’s interactions with its residents. The producers didn’t pull it out of thin air. It’s not like stargate or something similar.

lets just say you have no idea. Okay?

 

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4 hours ago, Van Gorp said:

There were of old, great and marvellous actions of the Athenian city, which have passed into oblivion through lapse of time and the destruction of mankind, and one in particular, greater than all the rest.

What are you saying?

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19 minutes ago, Swede said:

Am really quite too occupied with legitimate research to follow up on the following questions. However, other qualified individuals may be able to assist.

Kindly provide credible research that would support the above bolded statements.

You have four personal and quite assertive statements to address. Valid documentation awaited.

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No one is forcing you to provide an answer. Besides there is no right or wrong answer.

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32 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Not sure what you’re getting at buddy.

Atlantis cannot be found in any Greek or even Balkan or Indo-Iranian mythology. It was purely a product of Plato's mind. 

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

Atlantis cannot be found in any Greek or even Balkan or Indo-Iranian mythology. It was purely a product of Plato's mind. 

Okay so by that rational before Arthur Evens discovered Knossos the Minoan civilisation didn’t exist?

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2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Not sure what you’re getting at buddy.

Is there even a point in trying to discuss things with you, or are you just going to automatically gainsay anything anyone other than you says out of spite, like a five year old?

—Jaylemurph 

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54 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Okay so by that rational before Arthur Evens discovered Knossos the Minoan civilisation didn’t exist?

Nope: 

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The first excavation of the site was conducted in 1878 by Minos Kalokerinos of Herakleion. This was followed by the long-term excavations 1900-1913 and 1922-1930) of the Englishman Sir Arthur Evans, who uncovered virtually the entire palace.

https://www.heraklion.gr/en/ourplace/knossos/knossos.html

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He was also the first to identify the location of the palace of the ruler of the Minoan period,[2] which is popularly known as the Cnossian Labyrinth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minos_Kalokairinos

Just like Schliemann wasn't the first to excavate Troy, Evans wasn't the first to excavate Knossos. 

Edit to add:  Crete, and therefore the Minoans, as the location of King Minos and the Minotaur was known at least as early as Homer. 

cormac

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34 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Is there even a point in trying to discuss things with you, or are you just going to automatically gainsay anything anyone other than you says out of spite, like a five year old?

—Jaylemurph 

Go away.

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19 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Nope: 

https://www.heraklion.gr/en/ourplace/knossos/knossos.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minos_Kalokairinos

Just like Schliemann wasn't the first to excavate Troy, Evans wasn't the first to excavate Knossos. 

cormac

...so legend is based on some truth.

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3 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

What are you saying?

Disregard Naylemurph. I wanna know what you’re thinking. :)

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1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

...so legend is based on some truth.

"Some" truth perhaps, but it's in detecting "what" the truth is that is relevant. And again, any inspiration for the story of Atlantis DOESN'T make that inspiration Atlantis itself. 

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1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Okay so by that rational before Arthur Evens discovered Knossos the Minoan civilisation didn’t exist?

The Minoans were known from Greek history and mythology. Atlantis wasn't. 

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14 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Minoans were known from Greek history and mythology. Atlantis wasn't. 

There weapons, art and pottery had been found extensively around the Aegean and East Med. prior to it being established that it was theirs. In the 1880's excavations in Egypt were finding Minoan material especially at Tell el-Dab'a.  The Egyptians refer to Minoans as Keftiu, the ‘islands in the middle of the sea’.  Their ruins and pottery had been noted on Crete as early as 1825.

 

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