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Humans aren’t designed to be happy

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spartan max2
1 minute ago, RabidMongoose said:

Reality is relative to each person, not objective and existing independently from us.

God wants (in each persons instance of reality) for them to dominate others, and to enjoy doing so.

 

Well with that logic,

 

Maybe God wants them to dominate you? 

Perhaps why they get the promotions lol

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Desertrat56
On 9/21/2019 at 6:05 AM, XenoFish said:

So become the jerk at work because you're unhappy. Yeah, totally makes sense.What better way to feel good about yourself than being a totally jerk.

You don't have to be a jerk, but you can stand up for yourself and point out that the other is being a jerk without using foul language or anger tones.  A question usually works quite well.  "I don't understand, can you rephrase what you just said?"

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Cookie Monster
1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Well with that logic,

Maybe God wants them to dominate you? 

Perhaps why they get the promotions lol

But thats just it, in their instance of reality he actually does.

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spartan max2
14 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

But thats just it, in their instance of reality he actually does.

Well that's convenient lol. 

Well I recommend talking to a therapist to work through your resentment towards the world that seems to be manifesting into some sort of odd ego driven spiritualism.

I mean no disrespect ( or maybe God wants me to be disrespectful to you lol) just a honest thought.

Good day to you. 

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Cookie Monster
21 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

You don't have to be a jerk, but you can stand up for yourself and point out that the other is being a jerk without using foul language or anger tones.  A question usually works quite well.  "I don't understand, can you rephrase what you just said?"

This isn't about being or not being a jerk.

I have strayed into a mixture of Jungian psychology combined with mysticism where I have pointed out there are too sides to a human being - good and evil.

Our parenting, religion, and socialisation, taught us some things in us were good and some were bad. The good ones we embraced and are conscious of them. The bad ones we repressed down into the dark depths of our unconscious where they rarely see the light of day. We did it to appease our parents, our religious community, and our society. Basically, we wanted to see ourselves as special and be accepted.

Jungian psychology is about integrating the dark side (the shadow, or what we repressed) back into our consciousness. He argued that those aspects of reality we dont like are founded upon what we repressed into our shadow. His view is that reality is structured off them, so they drag experiences into our lives to make us embrace and re-integrate our dark sides.

In essence we are living inside a feedback loop which makes us suffer until we have become both good and evil. That means dissolving the shadow by re-integrating it back into our consciousness. 

The view that someone should aim to be a model citizen who is always good to others has not come from God. It is societal propaganda we are inducted with to make us supress our true nature for the benefit of society. It puts us at odds with the way reality works.

By repressing our evil side (because our parents, religion, and society, tell us too) the feedback loop we are living in keeps sending us evil people who do bad things to us. You do not fix it by `standing up for yourself` as it will just send more of the same your way. Instead you fix it by becoming what the universe is throwing at you.

It is throwing at you in the form of negative life experiences those aspects of your true nature (your evil side) that you have repressed. Likewise if you are evil and build a shadow from everything considered good then as an evil person you keep attracting what is good into your life as a punishment to make you embrace that side of your nature.

The aim is to gain wisdom of good and evil (as opposed to just one of them).

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XenoFish
23 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

You don't have to be a jerk, but you can stand up for yourself and point out that the other is being a jerk without using foul language or anger tones.  A question usually works quite well.  "I don't understand, can you rephrase what you just said?"

Why are you directing this towards me. My comment is directed towards rabids self indulgent attitude. Where he's basically the jerk at work.

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Desertrat56
21 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

This isn't about being or not being a jerk.

I have strayed into a mixture of Jungian psychology combined with mysticism where I have pointed out there are too sides to a human being - good and evil.

Our parenting, religion, and socialisation, taught us some things in us were good and some were bad. The good ones we embraced and are conscious of them. The bad ones we repressed down into the dark depths of our unconscious where they rarely see the light of day. We did it to appease our parents, our religious community, and our society. Basically, we wanted to see ourselves as special and be accepted.

Jungian psychology is about integrating the dark side (the shadow, or what we repressed) back into our consciousness. He argued that those aspects of reality we dont like are founded upon what we repressed into our shadow. His view is that reality is structured off them, so they drag experiences into our lives to make us embrace and re-integrate our dark sides.

In essence we are living inside a feedback loop which makes us suffer until we have become both good and evil. That means dissolving the shadow by re-integrating it back into our consciousness. 

The view that someone should aim to be a model citizen who is always good to others has not come from God. It is societal propaganda we are inducted with to make us supress our true nature for the benefit of society. It puts us at odds with the way reality works.

By repressing our evil side (because our parents, religion, and society, tell us too) the feedback loop we are living in keeps sending us evil people who do bad things to us. You do not fix it by `standing up for yourself` as it will just send more of the same your way. Instead you fix it by becoming what the universe is throwing at you.

It is throwing at you in the form of negative life experiences those aspects of your true nature (your evil side) that you have repressed. Likewise if you are evil and build a shadow from everything considered good then as an evil person you keep attracting what is good into your life as a punishment to make you embrace that side of your nature.

The aim is to gain wisdom of good and evil (as opposed to just one of them).

OK.  I get what you were saying.  I was responding to the Xenofish's comment.  I don't agree with how you describe you are embracing your dark/bad side but I agree that ignoring it causes more problems than embracing it.  And my opinion of how we embrace our so called dark side is to examine the emotions that are evoked or that evoke the desire to act in an anti social way.  Sometimes pretending like anger is not allowed can cause an angry person to be quite a jerk and in their mind they are still pretending like they are fine and everyone else is wrong.  So, in the moment the anger is addressed and the old anger is examined and perhaps expressed or discharged in some way.  (scream therapy seems crazy but maybe it could be a release of old anger that causes disfuntion, I don't know, those who I have seen use it don't seem to be helped by it). 

Because of our socialization we allow ourselves to be manipulated by passive aggressive people who claim to be nice but are actually quite rude.  (which causes unresolved anger)  Like someone who uses guilt to convince another to do something they don't want to do.  I know everyone can think of a circumstance that fits that category.  And we are taught that we are not allowed to say no, that saying no is wrong, when in fact it often is the best answer.  That need to be "nice" all the time also allows narcissists to walk all over everyone so more narcissists are bred and never or rarely discouraged, by the time someone confronts them they are so angry they can be accused of being crazy.  Almost all american "sit-coms" use a narcissistic character for laughs and that is weak and lazy.  I have seen very few sit-coms that don't do this and only one that was funny because the narcissist/autistic character was put in his place at least once an episode and allowed to grow emotionally along with the other characters in the show.  We have a problem of thinking television portrays real life, but it doesn't.  It is social programming.  LIke church was in the olden days and public school still is. 

Right and wrong are subjective at best.  Yes, there are things we consider universal wrongs, but we always have exceptions to those and every society has different exceptions.

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Desertrat56
30 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Why are you directing this towards me. My comment is directed towards rabids self indulgent attitude. Where he's basically the jerk at work.

My comment is directed at you because what you said triggered it.  It does seem like he is describing a self indulgent attitude and I don't agree that is actually embracing your dark side.   I think embracing is not the right word, and I did just write a long response to him.  Integration would be a more appropriate action than embrace.

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spartan max2
12 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

My comment is directed at you because what you said triggered it.  It does seem like he is describing a self indulgent attitude and I don't agree that is actually embracing your dark side.   I think embracing is not the right word, and I did just write a long response to him.  Integration would be a more appropriate action than embrace.

I feel you haven't read all his post in each thread to know what Xeno is referring to.

Working to "dominate" those around you is not considered narissistic or being a jerk to you?

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Desertrat56
3 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I feel you haven't read all his post in each thread to know what Xeno is referring to.

Working to "dominate" those around you is not considered narissistic or being a jerk to you?

I did read his posts about his interpretation of Jungian psycology and his actions at work and I agree that dominating someone is being a jerk and it could be narcissistic.  And he claimed he was standing up jerk co-workers.  I also read his interpretation of the reaction people have to being dominated, they either feel bad or dominate someone else to feel better.  That probably is accurate and very narcissistic.  That is why I pointed out that standing up to a person trying to control you is better than reacting to it.   

Maybe you misunderstand my response to Xeonfish.  I was adding to what he said, not disputing it.  What he said triggered what I added.  I agree with him and I think I said so in my response to rabidmongoose.

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Rlyeh
2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm more stuck on this dominating thing.

So in essence, you believe that there is a God and that he wants you to expierence pleasure, even when it's at the expense of the pleasure of others?

No wonder God was pro-slavery.

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XenoFish
20 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I did read his posts about his interpretation of Jungian psycology and his actions at work and I agree that dominating someone is being a jerk and it could be narcissistic.  And he claimed he was standing up jerk co-workers.  I also read his interpretation of the reaction people have to being dominated, they either feel bad or dominate someone else to feel better.  That probably is accurate and very narcissistic.  That is why I pointed out that standing up to a person trying to control you is better than reacting to it.   

Maybe you misunderstand my response to Xeonfish.  I was adding to what he said, not disputing it.  What he said triggered what I added.  I agree with him and I think I said so in my response to rabidmongoose.

You really must not have read a lot of his post. He hates the poor and homeless, thinks he needs to indulge in pleasure because that's "God's Will", and often complains that people at work don't like him. The picture he paints of himself is that of a jerk. Then his thread about embracing his dark side, instead as you correctly said, integration. Shows that he's just not a nice person to be around.

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Desertrat56
7 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You really must not have read a lot of his post. He hates the poor and homeless, thinks he needs to indulge in pleasure because that's "God's Will", and often complains that people at work don't like him. The picture he paints of himself is that of a jerk. Then his thread about embracing his dark side, instead as you correctly said, integration. Shows that he's just not a nice person to be around.

I did read some of that.  But that was not today.  I have a hard time going back pages to catch up and so maybe my comments aren't always in time with everything.  I think he is using his interpretation of something he read by Jung and his imagination of god to justify bad behaviour.

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Cookie Monster
33 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I feel you haven't read all his post in each thread to know what Xeno is referring to.

Working to "dominate" those around you is not considered narissistic or being a jerk to you?

Again, our parents and religion and society mould us into what they consider acceptable.

We are taught it is wrong to dominate others so into our shadow it goes. We distance ourselves from it because we look to our parents, religion, and society, for our sense of personal value. We fear invalidation from them. The result is that we are no longer able to acknowledge how that side of our nature exists.

In the meantime whenever we come across someone dominating others we project onto them that they must be narcissistic or a jerk. From your replies I can tell you that you have repressed the dominating side of yourself into your shadow. You are living a lie by denying your true nature to yourself.

What are you afraid off? That someone will think you are a bad person from dominating others?

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Cookie Monster
19 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You really must not have read a lot of his post. He hates the poor and homeless, thinks he needs to indulge in pleasure because that's "God's Will", and often complains that people at work don't like him. The picture he paints of himself is that of a jerk. Then his thread about embracing his dark side, instead as you correctly said, integration. Shows that he's just not a nice person to be around.

Utterly repressed lol

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XenoFish
10 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Utterly repressed lol

You just keep thinking that. 

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spartan max2
48 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Again, our parents and religion and society mould us into what they consider acceptable.

We are taught it is wrong to dominate others so into our shadow it goes. We distance ourselves from it because we look to our parents, religion, and society, for our sense of personal value. We fear invalidation from them. The result is that we are no longer able to acknowledge how that side of our nature exists.

In the meantime whenever we come across someone dominating others we project onto them that they must be narcissistic or a jerk. From your replies I can tell you that you have repressed the dominating side of yourself into your shadow. You are living a lie by denying your true nature to yourself.

What are you afraid off? That someone will think you are a bad person from dominating others?

Once again I would recommend therapy.

I know this is hard for you to believe but most people feel no need to subjugate others and alot of people actually get fulfilment through helping other people.

From your resentment filled lenses you probably think everyone is just "faking it" or " repressing it".

 

Added that bolded to see if you can pick up on the extreme irony lol. 

It's pretty clear that your life is ruled by concern about how others view you. 

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Cookie Monster
7 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Once again I would recommend therapy.

I know this is hard for you to believe but most people feel no need to subjugate others and alot of people actually get fulfilment through helping other people.

From your resentment filled lenses you probably think everyone is just "faking it" or " repressing it".

Added that bolded to see if you can pick up on the extreme irony lol. 

It's pretty clear that your life is ruled by concern about how others view you. 

There is nothing wrong with helping people because then you are gaining wisdom of being good.

Just make sure you are also gaining wisdom of being evil by having some people to be mean to too.

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Aquila King
8 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

There is nothing wrong with helping people because then you are gaining wisdom of being good.

Just make sure you are also gaining wisdom of being evil by having some people to be mean to too.

Congratulations. This is officially the worst advice I've ever seen anybody give to someone. :mellow: Don't listen to him kids...

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18 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Reality is relative to each person, not objective and existing independently from us.

God wants (in each persons instance of reality) for them to dominate others, and to enjoy doing so. At the level of the individual your purpose is simply to enjoy all pleasures that God provides.

Man...that is some profoundly weird radio you got tuned in there.  Being confident, aggressive and self-assured will indeed take you to greater heights than meekness but I've never heard of a god that desired His creation to cause misery to others as a service to Him.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding you or you are having a go at XFish?   The best current example of how messed up that kind of thinking makes the world is Washington DC.  Every man jack in a suit and tie is exactly what you are describing.  They just use doublespeak to dominate rather than overt bullying.  

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16 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

No wonder God was pro-slavery.

Is that what you got from the scripture about slaves?  Funny, I always thought God was no respecter of persons and wanted everyone to focus on Him and not their own circumstances.  To be as well-read in scripture and religions as you obviously are, you never deviate from assigning the pain and evil of man's choices to the God who just allowed him to choose.  Do you believe people are ever responsible for their own actions?  

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XenoFish

God is the ultimate slave master. Believe, follow, obey or suffer eternally for disobedience. 

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What an unhappy thread !

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Rlyeh
1 hour ago, and then said:

Is that what you got from the scripture about slaves?

Your god certainly didn't oppose slavery, Jesus didn't mind it either.

What does that say about your moral source?

 

1 hour ago, and then said:

Funny, I always thought God was no respecter of persons and wanted everyone to focus on Him and not their own circumstances.  To be as well-read in scripture and religions as you obviously are, you never deviate from assigning the pain and evil of man's choices to the God who just allowed him to choose.

Isn't it odd that when Yahweh does or supports something morally repugnant, it's ok, because man is evil?

 

1 hour ago, and then said:

Do you believe people are ever responsible for their own actions?  

Of course they are.

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Cookie Monster
15 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Congratulations. This is officially the worst advice I've ever seen anybody give to someone. :mellow: Don't listen to him kids...

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A psychopath is someone who does evil not good, and an empath is someone who does good not evil.

Both of them encounter problems in their lives because they are out of balance with the universe. Neither are integrated, both of them are repressed, they each are living a lie totally afraid of what is hidden in their shadows. If we have any psychologists here they will tell you to integrate both the good and evil in your personality. It equips you with the wisdom needed to lead a healthy life with healthy relationships.

Developing your inner psychopath voluntarily gives you the wisdom of what pure evil is. You then know how it works, its impacts on other people, and you realise there are people out there who really will destroy you given the chance. You can spot them, recognise what they are up too, and what their goal is.

If you want to know how bullying works, the tactics bullies use, the impacts it has on the victim, why the victim was chosen, and what the bully is trying to achieve, then the only way to find out is to become the bully.

I hate to point it out to everyone but 2% of the population are sociopaths and unless you have been targeted by one or have wisdom of evil then you wont have even known about it. Thats a little bit inaccurate, if they are high functioning you wont have know about it. The low functioning ones cannot keep a job or keep themselves out of prison.

For me I am doing a serious of real world experiments. Its not nice bullying someone, but I am. I want the wisdom thanks.

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