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Humans aren’t designed to be happy

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Humans aren't designed.

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1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

One thing I know, is that I don't have to deal with the consequence of your life Rabid. 

And I look forward to seeing and experiencing what they actually are.

If there are some positives thats great, and if there are some negatives then thats great too.

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Just now, RabidMongoose said:

And I look forward to seeing and experiencing what they actually are.

If there are some positives thats great, and if there are some negatives then thats great too.

If you start posting about being unemployed and get a beat down by a coworker/s, you brought it on yourself. 

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@RabidMongoose I would probably Answer Yes to all of those questions.

Though, seeing how you are not in any of those situations it's completely irrelevant to you being a jerk. 

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3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Your post is too big for me to reply to in whole.

Don't just defend your position for the sake of it because you feel obligated to do so. This may be a discussion forum, where debates are just a natural part of the system here. But don't default to that right now. I'm just speaking to you as a person, man to man, about the inherently wrong and bad ideas that you're positing here. 

There's nothing shameful about admitting when you're wrong. In fact, that's one of the most mature things someone could ever do. I've been wrong in the past a metric **** ton of times, and been called out for it. It's hard to admit it publicly when you're called out for it, but when you are you just have fess up and try to do better the next time. Hell, when I first joined this forum, I was a deep believer in Astrotheology and Astrology, lol. Thankfully other members here dissuaded me from that nonsense, and I've grown as a person thanks to that.

I and many others here would have a much greater and deeper respect for you if you did just admit you were wrong. Because really there simply is no debate to be had here. You're just objectively in the wrong on this issue, and my responses here have been a plea for you to wake up to that fact, not to just civilly discuss / debate differing ideas. So just man up and admit you were wrong here, and try to work on the real issues you clearly have bud. Okay?

Now I'm gonna try and respond to the rest of your post in a short and precise manner, but just keep in mind that I'm not looking to personally attack you or engage in some civil debate as if this nonsense your espousing is worthy of such a thing. I'm just trying to dispel these false notions you have here so you can grow as a person, and hopefully not hurt anyone else around you.

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

If a child is born into an abusive family environment and isn't socialised properly then they develop into a sociopath. The reason why you arent a sociopath is because your parents didnt make you hate the world, and because you learned pro-social skills.

The capacity to hate the world and potential to be anti-social is still within you but it is hidden deep down in your shadow. Its your parents, society, and religion, telling you what was right and wrong that made you put it there. This happened early on in your psychological development.

All people who dont hate the world and who have pro-social personality traits are uncomfortable with bullying others. It makes them feel bad, it provokes an emotional response in them. Both you and I have that. But we could have ended up with very different shadows if our life circumstances were different. Think about that.

That's true. We could've ended up very different people under different circumstances, and we're all potentially capable as children to become sociopaths if raised under certain conditions.

However none of that means we should act in a sociopathic manner in order to be "whole." That's just pure nonsense that you made up. There is no objective good that comes from sociopathic behavior, and thus choosing to act on such things merely due to our early childhood potential of becoming sociopaths is complete and utter lunacy.

Also, once you have grown a certain degree of empathy, it's straight-up impossible to choose to act against it. So no, if you genuinely have empathy for other people you can't just choose to shut it off to "experiment" for a while. People who can do that never had any real empathy there to begin with.

My point in this being, that while I may have had the potential in my early childhood development to become a sociopath later in life, that potential is completely gone now. I can't just revert back to the blank slate I was as a kid and learn the complete opposite thing from my upbringing. While there is indeed a certain degree of neuroplasticity, there are certain psychological aspects of us all that stay with us for the rest of our lives. The wet cement of my psyche has fully hardened to shape certain aspects of my complete being right now, and is therefore impossible for me to un-harden at this point in time. The same is true for you.

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Right now most of reality you will never experience. Some of it your life circumstances prevent you from knowing, some is off limits as its illegal, much of it you prevent yourself from knowing. That is because you absolutely refuse to even explore what is hidden away in your shadow.

I have no desire to learn what it's like to do objectively evil **** to people. I don't want to learn what it's like to be a pedophile or rapist. I don't want to know what it's like to be a serial killer. I don't want to know what it's like to be a terrorist. You're acting as if I'm missing out on some great life experiences here. There is absolutely nothing of value that I could learn from doing any of those things, and there's absolutely nothing good that could come from me doing those things either. Everything that I or anyone else needs to know about such things could be easily learned by merely studying these behaviors from other people.

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

All people have absolute darkness hidden in their shadows. Let me ask you:

1. Would you kill to protect your children?

2. How many people would you be prepared to kill to protect your children?

3. Would you steal if the alternative was starving to death?

4. Would you mug, thieve, and burgle, to feed your kids?

5. If an asteroid was about to impact the Earth and you had to lie, cheat, and manipulate to get into the survival bunker would you?

6. How about to get your kids in?

I could spend all day inventing the most elaborate of scenarios until I have got you to admit that under the right circumstances you would kill. Not just one person, not just millions, but billions.

Admit it. You could kill, thieve, mug, lie, cheat, and manipulate. All that needs to happen is for the right set of circumstances to come along. You monster! You absolute monster! I would hate to be stranded on a boat with you in the middle of the pacific for 6 weeks. You would eat me

Yes to all of that. Absolutely.

The difference here being that neither of us are currently in any of those scenarios atm, and what you're suggesting is that we currently act in such a way when such behaviors are completely unwarranted.

Of course we could all potentially find a higher moral purpose for such behaviors under the right scenarios, but we aren't in those scenarios at the moment, thus there's no reason to behave that way at all.

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Now we have got that out the way are you going to admit that you have a shadow or continue to lie to yourself to protect your ego? Admitting you have one doesnt mean you are going to run out and commit a multitude of criminal offences. It doesnt make you worse than anybody else as we all have one.

Of course I have a few dark / negative impulses from time to time. Though that doesn't mean I should act on them, nor do I really want to. I guess it sort of depends on what you mean by "your inner shadow" or whatever. For me, they're just simple reflexes if anything. Like if someone says something to tick me off, I might have the impulse to yell at them and cuss them out. Or if someone cuts me off in traffic my instict is to flip the off and b**** about it. Simple stuff like that.

But deep dpwn, I genuinely only desire to do good to people, and I genuinely don't want to hurt anyone else. Therefore I have absolutely no desire to willingly engage in destructive behaviors that would harm other people. I genuinely sincerely don't want to hurt anyone physically or emotionally. I have basic human empathy and compassion for other people. I couldn't bring myself to knowingly hurt another person if I tried.

The only time I can think of that might be an exception to that is if I see some sort of injustice happening against innocent people. Then I get angry, and I fight back. But ultimately that's for the greater good and wellbeing of innocent people.

What you're talking about here is knowingly and in full awareness of the harm that it causes, intentionally doing bad things to hurt other people for the mere sake of experiencing it in an effort to be "whole." That is fundamentally a different thing from whatever dark impulses I have, so if that's what you're suggesting I have in me, then I'm sorry but you presume too much. That that kind of thing just doesn't exist in me at all.

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

There is a lot of stuff in your shadow for which there is no penalty for exploring. Maybe you are a closet homosexual?

Odd that you consider homosexuality to be a think that exists in our "dark side," but anyway...

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

You definitely have the means to bully people and be mean to them. You could engage in some really bizarre behaviour convincing people you are an eccentric. You could do 1001 things in your life and integrate a huge amount of your shadow into your conscious mind.

I could, but I don't want to. I have no desire to. I have no need to. I nor the world would benefit from me doing so. Therefore I don't.

Why do you desire to do so? That's the better question here.

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

What I am looking for is changes to how reality unfolds by integrating various aspects of my shadow with my consciousness. I am looking for hidden links structuring reality. That might not be of interest to you, but it is to me. 

What you're actually doing is looking for some sort of justification to behave badly towards other people without consequence. No "ifs," "ands," or "buts" about it.

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Is your ego now going to go on the offensive, character assassinating me again because you cannot admit to yourself your true nature?

Again, I know already that deep down I have absolutely nodesire to harm innocent people. If you're assuming that I do, then you assume too much.

And this isn't me claiming to be some moral paragon, I just have a bare basic capacity for human empathy that prevents me from being able to or even desiring to hurt other innocent people. The same level of empathy that I'd say a strong 90 some percent of the people here on this forum are capable of.

When I ask you why you have the desire to harm other people, and call that psychopathic behavior, that isn't me just trying to assassinate your character here. You're doing that all on your own.

Now I hope you take my advice here from the beginning of this long post, learn from this, and admit you were wrong. I'd also advise you to seek professional help if you genuinely have the desire to hurt people.

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For the past week I have been subtly pressing peoples buttons to bully them.

From the work place, to the barber shop, to the bus, to the high street. I have been mean to lots of people, but the question is what have I found?

I have found an odd effect. Obviously some of the people I have been mean too have been mean back. Thats expected. Lets put everyone I was mean too aside, and focus on random members of the public I had never met before and didnt say anything too.

A huge number of them have been mean to me by subtly pressing my buttons. Its freaky weird. Even worse when it comes to synchronicities or coincidences I prepared some sentences I was going to use to subtly press peoples buttons. And they have crept up in other peoples random conversations.

As if God is saying you naughty boy, this is what you have done, this is what you have thought, you are now getting both back. Amazing. I maintain my position that reality has structure buried within it and a lot of posters here dont have a clue what they are going on about.

I expected all instances of bullying to vanish with this experiment, but it got worse. But with insights I have gained I think its not abusing other people that I need to integrate from my shadow. I now think its jealousy. So next week I will be running jealously experiments where I allow myself to be jealous of other people.

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18 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

I maintain my position

Pretty much sums it up.

If just you want to go on being a dick to people while calling it an "experiment" then be my guest. If you won't listen to words of reason then I hope your little "experiments" teach you what's already completely obvious to the rest of us.

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For me hapiness, is not being constantly sad, sadness is part of life but F me I only had 1 moment of happyness that lasted 1m in the last 5 years, this wonderful beautiful woman looked me in the eyes and was very interested in me, I was closed to depression, I felt a rush in my brain far better than any orgasm, literally I felt a wave of hapiness going thru my brain, had never felt it before of after. Dopamine, Oxytocin, Serotonin and Endorphins, it was one of these, wonder which....


Luckly this week I met a woman who seems to "hang out" with me, 5 years of "drought" takes a serious toll on a person self esteem.

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My developing hypothesis:

Humans beings are quite set in their personality traits. So if someone is mean to other people they have generally always been mean. If they are nice to people, they have generally always been nice. As people dont voluntarily switch from one to the other they are largely unaware that their attitude towards others affects reality via hidden non-local forces.

Love thy neighbour brings on a new meaning.

 

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23 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

My developing hypothesis:

Humans beings are quite set in their personality traits. So if someone is mean to other people they have generally always been mean. If they are nice to people, they have generally always been nice. As people dont voluntarily switch from one to the other they are largely unaware that their attitude towards others affects reality via hidden non-local forces.

Love thy neighbour brings on a new meaning.

Stop pretending to be a psychologist conducting psychiatric research. You're not. You're like a snake oil salesman impersonating a doctor, or a flat earther conducting "experiments" to study the flatness of the earth. Your hypotheses and experiments here are utterly worthless. 

If you want to study the field of human psychology then so be it. Go to school, get a major and/or PhD in psychology / psychiatry / cognitive neuroscience / etc, then use your credentials to fund a research study group. Otherwise you're just some random dillweed online spouting pseudoscientific nonsense he knows nothing about.

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On 9/26/2019 at 12:41 PM, RabidMongoose said:

Lets put everyone I was mean too aside, and focus on random members of the public I had never met before and didnt say anything too.

A huge number of them have been mean to me by subtly pressing my buttons. Its freaky weird.

Hi RapidMongoose

Just wondering how random unknown people can press your buttons if you never had words with them and could you elaborate on huge number. To me when I read this I had to wonder if you did not project on them that they were being mean to you.

Based on some of your comments I do not think that you understand that many of us do recognize that we can be potentially dangerous individuals but do not see the need to be and live according to socially productive norms.

I see that this is just a game for you as you have admitted you just did it to see what reaction you would get and push for the one you were looking for, but is it really a game or are you singing a new song now to redirect attention?

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On 9/26/2019 at 3:33 PM, RabidMongoose said:

My developing hypothesis:

Humans beings are quite set in their personality traits. So if someone is mean to other people they have generally always been mean. If they are nice to people, they have generally always been nice. As people dont voluntarily switch from one to the other they are largely unaware that their attitude towards others affects reality via hidden non-local forces.

Love thy neighbour brings on a new meaning.

 

Do you even know what real human interaction is? It's a cause and effect exchange. You treat people like trash, they won't like it, they push back. You treat them decent/well, they are more responsive. One thing is that you don't know what they know. In their mind you are the jerk, they don't like you, and create a negative association with you. If you change they might be cautious at first and then change their attitude towards you, but you being you, I doubt that. 

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1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Do you even know what real human interaction is? It's a cause and effect exchange. You treat people like trash, they won't like it, they push back. You treat them decent/well, they are more responsive. One thing is that you don't know what they know. In their mind you are the jerk, they don't like you, and create a negative association with you. If you change they might be cautious at first and then change their attitude towards you, but you being you, I doubt that. 

Of course I know what normal interactions are.

The question for you is why is my experiment touching such a raw nerve with you causing you to explode like that? Your response is about you, not me. Take your issues someone elsewhere please.

Thank you for your compliance.

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1 minute ago, RabidMongoose said:

Of course I know what normal interactions are.

The question for you is why is my experiment touching such a raw nerve with you causing you to explode like that? Your response is about you, not me. Take your issues someone elsewhere please.

Hi RapidMongoose

So you see Xeno's response as an explosion, that is interesting as I did not see it in that way myself,could you clarify why you see it that way?

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2 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi RapidMongoose

So you see Xeno's response as an explosion, that is interesting as I did not see it in that way myself,could you clarify why you see it that way?

jmccr8

Why do I need to clarify things to you and why do you need me to clarify things to you?

You can interpret me as a person in whatever way you like, its got nothing to do with me.

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6 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Of course I know what normal interactions are.

The question for you is why is my experiment touching such a raw nerve with you causing you to explode like that? Your response is about you, not me. Take your issues someone elsewhere please.

Thank you for your compliance.

I'm not in the line sight of this experiment. Mostly I'm responding in the hopes that the reading whoever they are, doesn't get the same idea. 

Here's the thing, you are trying to boss me around. That won't work. You're not my boss. Where have I 'exploded'? I'm just giving you a warning. Actions have consequences. 

6 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi RapidMongoose

So you see Xeno's response as an explosion, that is interesting as I did not see it in that way myself,could you clarify why you see it that way?

jmccr8

Yeah, I don't get that either. 

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4 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Why do I need to clarify things to you and why do you need me to clarify things to you?

You can interpret me as a person in whatever way you like, its got nothing to do with me.

Of course this has to do with you. This thread is about people not being happy by default. You however have made this about your Jerk experiment. Some of us have criticized this idea. Which you do not like. It honestly says more about you than those who are putting their 2 cents in. You see my comments as an 'explosion', which I find hilarious. 

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8 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi RapidMongoose

Just wondering how random unknown people can press your buttons if you never had words with them and could you elaborate on huge number. To me when I read this I had to wonder if you did not project on them that they were being mean to you.

Based on some of your comments I do not think that you understand that many of us do recognize that we can be potentially dangerous individuals but do not see the need to be and live according to socially productive norms.

I see that this is just a game for you as you have admitted you just did it to see what reaction you would get and push for the one you were looking for, but is it really a game or are you singing a new song now to redirect attention?

jmccr8

Hi RapidMongoose

I see this confused you care to explain why? You claimed that a huge number of people unknown to you that you have never spoken to push your buttons and I am asking how that can be and suggest that you are projecting rather then them intentionally pushing your buttons. We all live in this world and to be honest the .001% of the population that might potentially push your buttons is quite insignificant and suggest a mountains out of mole hills thing is going on here as you are using words like "huge number" which is why I asked for clarification.

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1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Do you even know what real human interaction is? It's a cause and effect exchange. You treat people like trash, they won't like it, they push back. You treat them decent/well, they are more responsive. One thing is that you don't know what they know. In their mind you are the jerk, they don't like you, and create a negative association with you. If you change they might be cautious at first and then change their attitude towards you, but you being you, I doubt that. 

This response has obvious emotion in it. You have lost objective reasoning about what I`m up too and have strayed into territory where you have convinced yourself I`m a jerk. Its also when another poster here (worse than you) isn't getting replies from me.

You need to pull yourself together man. Do it. And deal with why someone bossing you about is an issue too. Thats actually interesting, I would like to hear more about that if you are prepared to tell us why.

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8 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Why do I need to clarify things to you and why do you need me to clarify things to you?

You can interpret me as a person in whatever way you like, its got nothing to do with me.

Hi RapidMongoose

It is a discussion forum and we are trying to have a discussion based on your claims which pretty much puts the onus on you to support your position. You may not like being put on the spot for making statements but this is your thread and your construct so yes you do have to clarify.Thanks

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4 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi RapidMongoose

I see this confused you care to explain why? You claimed that a huge number of people unknown to you that you have never spoken to push your buttons and I am asking how that can be and suggest that you are projecting rather then them intentionally pushing your buttons. We all live in this world and to be honest the .001% of the population that might potentially push your buttons is quite insignificant and suggest a mountains out of mole hills thing is going on here as you are using words like "huge number" which is why I asked for clarification.

jmccr8

You read what I wrote, its quite easy to follow and you arent going to get the information you need from me to convince yourself its something else.

Your reply is caused by your psychological need to invalidate an attack on how you believe reality works.

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5 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

You read what I wrote, its quite easy to follow and you arent going to get the information you need from me to convince yourself its something else.

Your reply is caused by your psychological need to invalidate an attack on how you believe reality works.

:lol:

Well after that well rounded out avoidance all I can say is good luck and maybe watch out they are all out to get you.:lol:

jmccr8

 

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2 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

:lol:

Well after that well rounded out avoidance all I can say is good luck and maybe watch out they are all out to get you.:lol:

jmccr8

 

Thank you for the twilight zone that was funny.

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9 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

This response has obvious emotion in it. You have lost objective reasoning about what I`m up too and have strayed into territory where you have convinced yourself I`m a jerk. Its also when another poster here (worse than you) isn't getting replies from me.

You need to pull yourself together man. Do it. And deal with why someone bossing you about is an issue too. Thats actually interesting, I would like to hear more about that if you are prepared to tell us why.

The thing is that this 'emotional' response you perceive coming from me is mute. It has no ground. You say you want to integrate your shadow-self, by being aggressive (a jerk) to those around you. Others like myself have giving you a warning about the actions you are taking or will be taking. I haven't convinced myself of anything, you have convinced me. 

As for 'pulling myself together' I did that months ago. I told you that you're trying to boss me around. You're not. You can't. You have no power over me. 

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