Saudi Arabia and Realpolitik

[RoofGardener]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

No... as I just said, I want you to back it up with more than just empty rhetoric. I want you to show the actions Iran has taken that demonstrate these intentions. 

For one, its curious that a country hell bent on replacing all other forms of government with Sharia law doesn't even strictly enforce it in its own country, don't you think? 

I'm talking about intentions; I don't need to provide evidence of actions, merely intentions. 

As for not strictly enforcing Sharia law... tell that to the 7000 people killed for homosexuality. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran#Capital_punishment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system_of_Iran#Islamic_Republic

In terms of bellicose threats: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America

I mean, how long do you want me to go on for  ?

[Phaeton80]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

He continuously claims that there is evidence the Iranians have been developing nuclear weapons while the JCPOA is in force. When pressed, he only has one source (Israeli) and even that he won't produce. This has been repeated in several other threads. 

Now in this thread, he says the proof is only there for those who want to see it. Such 'proof' is no proof at all, simply confirmation bias. And he still hasn't even produced that! 

For some there is 'proof' against Iran, 'for those who want to see it' (literally).

For everyone there is proof in regards to the agressive strategies against Iran, as well as the deceptive tactics used to foment another 'regime change'.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

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Manufacturing Provocations

Goading Provocations for an Air Strike, page 84-85 (page 97-98 of the PDF): "...it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)

This suggests that this option might benefit from being held in abeyance until such time as the Iranians made an appropriately provocative move, as they do from time to time. In that case, it would be less a determined policy to employ airstrikes and instead more of an opportunistic hope that Iran would provide the United States with the kind of provocation that would justify airstrikes. However, that would mean that the use of airstrikes could not be the primary U.S. policy toward Iran (even if it were Washington’s fervent preference), but merely an ancillary contingency to another option that would be the primary policy unless and until Iran provided the necessary pretext."

 

[Phaeton80]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

I'm talking about intentions; I don't need to provide evidence of actions, merely intentions. 

As for not strictly enforcing Sharia law... tell that to the 7000 people killed for homosexuality. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran#Capital_punishment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system_of_Iran#Islamic_Republic

In terms of bellicose threats: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America

I mean, how long do you want me to go on for  ?

So erm.. this is your proof for the 'utterly obvious' veracity in regards to the allegations you made about this nation.

My god man.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

On 7/25/2019 at 6:10 PM, Setton said:

No... as I just said, I want you to back it up with more than just empty rhetoric. I want you to show the actions Iran has taken that demonstrate these intentions. 

For one, its curious that a country hell bent on replacing all other forms of government with Sharia law doesn't even strictly enforce it in its own country, don't you think? 

But it's Iran. Rhetoric should be enough because they are ''axis'' not allies.