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Perilous Premonitions 2019-2020

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
Just now, Piney said:

https://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/betelgeuse-will-explode-someday

Something 50ly away might harm us. But not this beast. 

I think you will find that someone allready posted that link. :rolleyes: 

On the other hand now that it isn't me posting it RabidMongoose might actually read it.

 

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Piney
Just now, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I think you will find that someone allready posted that link. :rolleyes: 

Hammerheads need a heavy dose of repetition.......and even then... :huh:

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3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

all live will end on Earth,

Nope.  It's not in the Bible.  Horrific occurrences aplenty but no mention of the end of the earth.  Just the end of our current age of human government.

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Rlyeh
18 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

All the apocalypse material in the Bible and Quran can be explained away of Betelgeuse goes Super Nova and our scientists have under-estimated what having two suns in our sky for a few months would do to global temperatures.

The sea will boil black, all live will end on Earth, the planet will burn, etc.

This can be explained away as your complete ignorance of astronomy.

Supernovae have occurred in human history without the sea boiling, no one died.

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Timothy
18 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

All the apocalypse material in the Bible and Quran can be explained away of Betelgeuse goes Super Nova and our scientists have under-estimated what having two suns in our sky for a few months would do to global temperatures.

The sea will boil black, all live will end on Earth, the planet will burn, etc.

Have you understood why Betelgeuse is not a threat?

Or were you just joking?

640 light-years is a bit of distance. 

That would be like complaining about me farting on you from Mars. 

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For those doubters about Betelgeuse then the Bible/Quran apocalypse could well be describing it.

The exact size and distance of Betelgeuse is unknown as we dont have the astronomical technology to accurately ascertain this. I find estimates from 500 lights years out to 1000 with an estimated radius of 300 million kilometres. Just for comparison the Earth is 150 million kilometres from the Sun. That is massive.

There are no instances of a star that big and so close to the Earth going pop in recorded history. Therefore there is a great deal of unknown about whether if it would harm life on Earth. The assertions we are safe cannot be tested. All it takes is a temperate rise of 30C on Earth and thats life pretty much gone. I propose this is one of the reasons why seeds are being stored in vaults around the world. They are preparing for all scenarios including a comet impact, gamma ray burst, and supernova. 

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13 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

For those doubters about Betelgeuse then the Bible/Quran apocalypse could well be describing it.

Yes, it could be, but convincing those who mock even the idea of a Creator is an impossible task.  Even in the aftermath of such predictions coming true, their pride will never allow them to admit their error.  Fortunately for many, they won't be so hardened as to ignore the plain truth.

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Rlyeh
13 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

For those doubters about Betelgeuse then the Bible/Quran apocalypse could well be describing it.

No it's not, and it's been explained why.

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30 minutes ago, and then said:

Yes, it could be, but convincing those who mock even the idea of a Creator is an impossible task.  Even in the aftermath of such predictions coming true, their pride will never allow them to admit their error.  Fortunately for many, they won't be so hardened as to ignore the plain truth.

it's dumb and dumber.

You could never admit error as your belief is fueled by ignorance, hypocrite.  Keep spreading misinformation for your god.

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14 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

For those doubters about Betelgeuse then the Bible/Quran apocalypse could well be describing it.

Sigh.. where to begin..

 

 

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The exact size and distance of Betelgeuse is unknown as we dont have the astronomical technology to accurately ascertain this.

Solar evolutionary model place Betelgeuse between 19.4 and 19.7 solar masses. We do, actually have the technology to accurately ascertain this. It's called "MATH"

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I find estimates from 500 lights years out to 1000 with an estimated radius of 300 million kilometres. Just for comparison the Earth is 150 million kilometres from the Sun. That is massive.

While its exact distance isn't know, we do know that it is ~222 parsecs, +49/-34, which is still a large variation. However, Even at the closest estimates, ~188 parsecs, it is still way too far to have any effect on Earth. Beside, Betelgeuse is gonna hit an could of interstellar dust before it ever goes supernova.

 

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There are no instances of a star that big and so close to the Earth going pop in recorded history.

RX J0852.0−4622

This event may have occurred as recently as 1200 CE and is with the same distance as Betelgeuse. 

 

 

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Therefore there is a great deal of unknown about whether if it would harm life on Earth. The assertions we are safe cannot be tested. All it takes is a temperate rise of 30C on Earth and thats life pretty much gone. I propose this is one of the reasons why seeds are being stored in vaults around the world. They are preparing for all scenarios including a comet impact, gamma ray burst, and supernova. 

 

.There isn't a great deal unknown about whether it would effect life on Earth. It is know that it would not. It simply is not close enough and no amount of hand wringing will change that. Any effect a close supernova would have on us would be gamma radiation, which would be a concern. But again, as has been explained to you, it simply is not close enough

 

 

Edit: I had a lot more to say and more detail to go into, but if i'm being honest, I just stopped caring after getting the basics down.

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

For those doubters about Betelgeuse then the Bible/Quran apocalypse could well be describing it.

Where ?

16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

The exact size and distance of Betelgeuse is unknown as we dont have the astronomical technology to accurately ascertain this. I find estimates from 500 lights years out to 1000 with an estimated radius of 300 million kilometres. Just for comparison the Earth is 150 million kilometres from the Sun. That is massive.

No matter which distance is the right one it will still be too far away to be dangerous. Every time we double the distance we get a quater of the radiation. 4,730,400,000,000,000 kilometers (500 light years) is a lot of distance.

Even if the Solar system were to be hit by a significant amount radiation, we have three defensive belts to help us, the Suns heliosphere, the Earths magnetosphere and our atmosphere.

16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

There are no instances of a star that big and so close to the Earth going pop in recorded history.

We have models of what happens when a star goes supernova and we have instruments to observe supernovae.

Guess what, the models and the observations are in agreement.

Sure we haven't observed one as close as Betelguese, but the physics doesn't change just because its closer. 

16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Therefore there is a great deal of unknown about whether if it would harm life on Earth.

Not among people who knows what they are talking about.

16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

The assertions we are safe cannot be tested.

We don't need to test it, we know the physics allready.

16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

All it takes is a temperate rise of 30C on Earth and thats life pretty much gone.

But luckily that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. Athough it might happen when the Sun becomes a red giant, but since that is several billion years away I think it a little too early to worry about it.

16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

I propose this is one of the reasons why seeds are being stored in vaults around the world. They are preparing for all scenarios including a comet impact, gamma ray burst, and supernova. 

The main role of the seed vaults is to preserve bio diversity. Another role is to help in case of a major disaster. So you got one thing partly right. Good for you. :tu:

 

Anyway all this isn't going to change much as I know that you never admit when you are wrong. Its not actually a bad thing to admit that you are wrong, it's a path to learn new things.

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
3 hours ago, and then said:

Yes, it could be, but convincing those who mock even the idea of a Creator is an impossible task.  Even in the aftermath of such predictions coming true, their pride will never allow them to admit their error.  Fortunately for many, they won't be so hardened as to ignore the plain truth.

I guess we will know when one of those biblical predictions come true. So far they have been notable for not happening.

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DingoLingo
17 hours ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

RX J0852.0−4622

This event may have occurred as recently as 1200 CE and is with the same distance as Betelgeuse. 

Wasnt SN 1604 closer? 

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Piney
19 minutes ago, DingoLingo said:

Wasnt SN 1604 closer? 

Yup, 20,000 ly. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_Supernova

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Imaginarynumber1
1 hour ago, DingoLingo said:

Wasnt  SN 1604 closer? 

In time, but not distance, I believe. 

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22 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

You could never admit error as your belief is fueled by ignorance, hypocrite.  Keep spreading misinformation for your god.

Did I step on a sore toe?  I'd say that those who wish to mock, demean and even suppress the beliefs of others are the ones who are hypocritical.  Admit it, if you had the power to shut down any free speech over this issue or even to punish those that have the audacity to speak publicly about what they BELIEVE, you'd do it in a heartbeat.  And you call me a hypocrite... You can't even just ignore the beliefs of others, you are compelled to destroy them for refusing to worship at the altar of science.  The irony is that your object of worship will never change the brutish, evil nature of humanity's quest to subjugate the weak.  

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Rlyeh
1 hour ago, and then said:

 

Did I step on a sore toe?  I'd say that those who wish to mock, demean and even suppress the beliefs of others are the ones who are hypocritical.

What do you call those who spread misinformation in order to propagate their deranged "truth"?

 

1 hour ago, and then said:

  Admit it, if you had the power to shut down any free speech over this issue or even to punish those that have the audacity to speak publicly about what they BELIEVE, you'd do it in a heartbeat.

Because that's what you would do, right?  No wait you'd likely have them imprisoned or executed.  A favourite Christian past time.

 

1 hour ago, and then said:

  And you call me a hypocrite... You can't even just ignore the beliefs of others, you are compelled to destroy them for refusing to worship at the altar of science.  The irony is that your object of worship will never change the brutish, evil nature of humanity's quest to subjugate the weak.  

Yes hypocrite, you use every opportunity to plug your god and attack those who reject your lies.  For all the "truth" you drum on about, it's just deception and ignorance.

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Dumbledore the Awesome
On 9/30/2019 at 6:51 PM, RabidMongoose said:

For those doubters about Betelgeuse then the Bible/Quran apocalypse could well be describing it.

The exact size and distance of Betelgeuse is unknown as we dont have the astronomical technology to accurately ascertain this. I find estimates from 500 lights years out to 1000 with an estimated radius of 300 million kilometres. Just for comparison the Earth is 150 million kilometres from the Sun. That is massive.

There are no instances of a star that big and so close to the Earth going pop in recorded history. Therefore there is a great deal of unknown about whether if it would harm life on Earth. The assertions we are safe cannot be tested. All it takes is a temperate rise of 30C on Earth and thats life pretty much gone. I propose this is one of the reasons why seeds are being stored in vaults around the world. They are preparing for all scenarios including a comet impact, gamma ray burst, and supernova. 

so close? Do you know far 640-some odd light years is? It's a fair distance.

You may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's peanuts compared with space. 

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