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'Brief radiation spike' in Russia rocket test

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A rocket engine explosion on a naval test range in northern Russia has killed two people and injured six, the defence ministry told Russian media.

The victims of the explosion in Arkhangelsk region were civilian specialists while military and civilian personnel are among the injured.

The ministry said radiation levels were normal but the city of Severodvinsk registered a "brief spike" in levels

Local people were reportedly urged to take precautions against radiation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49275577

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RabidMongoose
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1 hour ago, Still Waters said:

A rocket engine explosion on a naval test range in northern Russia has killed two people and injured six, the defence ministry told Russian media.

The victims of the explosion in Arkhangelsk region were civilian specialists while military and civilian personnel are among the injured.

The ministry said radiation levels were normal but the city of Severodvinsk registered a "brief spike" in levels

Local people were reportedly urged to take precautions against radiation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49275577

Radiation levels were 3 times higher than normal? If that is all the radiation then this is just media hysteria trying to attract viewers.

Go purchase a hi-lighter marker and draw a line on your hand. You just got more radiation from that than the people at the explosion side. You`d need it 1,000,000s of times higher to even make you start to get sick.

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DarkHunter
On 8/8/2019 at 12:22 PM, RabidMongoose said:

Radiation levels were 3 times higher than normal? If that is all the radiation then this is just media hysteria trying to attract viewers.

Go purchase a hi-lighter marker and draw a line on your hand. You just got more radiation from that than the people at the explosion side. You`d need it 1,000,000s of times higher to even make you start to get sick.

Most reports now seem to be listing the radiation spike in neighboring areas as 20 times higher then background radiation levels, which is still low and essentially harmless but does point to something more going on.  Also heard that the Russian government have closed the shipping lanes around the test site where the explosion occured for about a month.

What is really interesting is that Russian news is starting to report that 6 people have died from extreme radiation exposure.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2019/08/09/nuclear/

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L.A.T.1961

I thought this might just be Russian propaganda, but maybe not ?

The 9M730 Burevestnik  is an experimental Russian nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile and is claimed to have virtually unlimited range. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik

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DarkHunter
3 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

I thought this might just be Russian propaganda, but maybe not ?

The 9M730 Burevestnik  is an experimental Russian nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile and is claimed to have virtually unlimited range. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik

That is a mix of real and propaganda.

The real is that Russia is currently working on a nuclear powered cruise missile, what is propaganda is Russia being anywhere close to having it operational. 

A few years ago they released a computer generated video of the cruise missile dodging missile defense systems and flying over America to Hawaii but last I heard the longest they got the engine to run was about 15 to 20 seconds before a failure occurs.  

Interestingly unlike the American version project Pluto it seems the Russian cruise missile is not designed to be super sonic.

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L.A.T.1961
1 minute ago, DarkHunter said:

That is a mix of real and propaganda.

The real is that Russia is currently working on a nuclear powered cruise missile, what is propaganda is Russia being anywhere close to having it operational. 

A few years ago they released a computer generated video of the cruise missile dodging missile defense systems and flying over America to Hawaii but last I heard the longest they got the engine to run was about 15 to 20 seconds before a failure occurs.  

Interestingly unlike the American version project Pluto it seems the Russian cruise missile is not designed to be super sonic.

Russia may not have one that is flight ready but if they are testing them and one went bang that could account for the radiation spike ? 

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DarkHunter
Just now, L.A.T.1961 said:

Russia may not have one that is flight ready but if they are testing them and one went bang that could account for the radiation spike ? 

It definitely could account for it. 

The current official account from the Russian government is that there was an incident involving a test of a normal ballistic missile, I believe the story was that the fuel of a sub launched nuclear missile detonated.

Interestingly the ship involved in this incident is a ship that Russia has been using to test its hypersonic cruise missiles and there is some talk it has been involved with the nuclear powered cruise missile also.

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L.A.T.1961

"Emergency aircraft were used to airlift the injured.The victims of the explosion in Arkhangelsk region were civilian specialists and defence ministry officials  They also included developer company representatives."

It sounds like a big show for the top brass that went wrong.  ;)

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RabidMongoose

These missiles are 100% not powered by uranium or plutonium because a variety of tell tale isotopes would have been detected by now. It could be tritium but if so Russia is about 100 years ahead of the rest of the world at using fusion as a power source.

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toast
On 8/8/2019 at 6:22 PM, RabidMongoose said:

Go purchase a hi-lighter marker and draw a line on your hand. You just got more radiation from that than the people at the explosion side.

Thats total nonsense because the fluorescence effect of such markers isnt caused by radioactivity.

 

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RabidMongoose
9 minutes ago, toast said:

Thats total nonsense because the fluorescence effect of such markers isnt caused by radioactivity.

The ink itself is a slightly radioactive substance.

The most radioactive thing in peoples home are fags. Smoking one gives people a higher dose of radiation than an astronaut gets from a 6 month stay on the International Space Station.

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toast
8 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

The ink itself is a slightly radioactive substance.

The most radioactive thing in peoples home are fags. Smoking one gives people a higher dose of radiation than an astronaut gets from a 6 month stay on the International Space Station.

I`m pretty sure your main and only source of information is the Watchtower.

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Just now, toast said:

I`m pretty sure your main and only source of information is the Watchtower.

College physics class actually.

And we measured the radioactivity of those hi-lighter pens too. They are between 3 and 5 times higher than background radiation.

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DarkHunter
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19 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

The ink itself is a slightly radioactive substance.

The most radioactive thing in peoples home are fags. Smoking one gives people a higher dose of radiation than an astronaut gets from a 6 month stay on the International Space Station.

That is no where near accurate.

If you smoked a pack and a half of cigarettes a day in a year, far more then just 1, you will expose yourself to 80 mSv of radiation while an astronaut on a 6 month stay in the international space station is anywhere from 50 mSv to 2000 mSv.  

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Still Waters

Update:

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Russia explosion: Five confirmed dead in rocket blast

Five people were killed and three injured following a rocket explosion on an Arctic naval test range in Russia on Thursday, state nuclear company Rosatom confirmed.

Rosatom said the accident occurred during tests on a liquid propellant rocket engine.

The three injured staff members suffered serious burns in the accident.

Authorities had previously said that two people died and six were injured in the blast at the site in Nyonoksa.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49301438

 

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DarkHunter

Problem is the story from Russia keeps changing.

This article is a bit more recent, now Russia is saying the explosion was from a a nuclear powered engine, more specifically a jet propulsion system that uses an atomic battery as part of the system

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russian-nuclear-agency-confirms-deaths-during-missile-test-11565446468

More then likely exactly what happened will not be made public.

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ExpandMyMind
On 8/10/2019 at 5:48 PM, DarkHunter said:

More then likely exactly what happened will not be made public.

Until 30 years down the line when HBO turns it into a miniseries.

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On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 3:30 PM, Still Waters said:

A rocket engine explosion on a naval test range in northern Russia has killed two people and injured six, the defence ministry told Russian media.

The victims of the explosion in Arkhangelsk region were civilian specialists while military and civilian personnel are among the injured.

The ministry said radiation levels were normal but the city of Severodvinsk registered a "brief spike" in levels

Local people were reportedly urged to take precautions against radiation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49275577

If they have had to move from chemical to nuclear propulsion I suspect its a hyper-sonic missile requiring huge amounts of energy to reach its speeds.

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DarkHunter
1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

If they have had to move from chemical to nuclear propulsion I suspect its a hyper-sonic missile requiring huge amounts of energy to reach its speeds.

Not necessarily and if it was the Burevestnik being tested it definitely wasnt a hypersonic cruise missile as the Burevestnik just simply does not have the body to be hypersonic.  More then likely the test probably used something similar to the General Electric J87 which was essentially a conventional jet engine that used a very small nuclear reactor to super heat incoming compressed air instead of using combustion.

If a nuclear powered nuclear missile was hypersonic it would probably be similar to project Pluto but the amount of radiation it would spew out would make hiding a test of such a weapon near impossible.

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23 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Not necessarily and if it was the Burevestnik being tested it definitely wasnt a hypersonic cruise missile as the Burevestnik just simply does not have the body to be hypersonic.  More then likely the test probably used something similar to the General Electric J87 which was essentially a conventional jet engine that used a very small nuclear reactor to super heat incoming compressed air instead of using combustion.

If a nuclear powered nuclear missile was hypersonic it would probably be similar to project Pluto but the amount of radiation it would spew out would make hiding a test of such a weapon near impossible.

There have been reported radiation leaks coming out of Russia. Germany’s radiation protection agency said the source of the emission was in Russia’s southern Urals.

"European monitoring stations began detecting ruthenium 106 in the atmosphere towards the end of September 2017. It is produced when atoms are split in a nuclear reactor."

https://www.euronews.com/2017/11/21/explained-ruthenium-106-and-europe-s-radioactive-cloud

 

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10 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

There have been reported radiation leaks coming out of Russia. Germany’s radiation protection agency said the source of the emission was in Russia’s southern Urals.

"European monitoring stations began detecting ruthenium 106 in the atmosphere towards the end of September 2017. It is produced when atoms are split in a nuclear reactor."

https://www.euronews.com/2017/11/21/explained-ruthenium-106-and-europe-s-radioactive-cloud

 

The source of that was almost certainly from the Mayak facility which is located near where the highest concentration of ruthenium 106 was detected and the Mayak facility handles spent nuclear fuel which tends to create large amounts of ruthenium 106.

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pallidin

In theory, an airborne mini-nuclear reactor can use ambient atmospheric gases and moisture to create a "super-steam" due to the intense heat created by the nuclear reactor; propelling the craft to enormous speed.

Thus, the ambient atmospheric gases and compounds are its propellant.

The mini-nuclear reactor provides the necessary heat energy, in theory.

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AllPossible

That's a hard loss. That many nuclear engineer's dying is a big deal. That is a very difficult field to study in, plus it makes other engineers hesitant to be involved in a very dangerous project

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toast

Cruise missiles with such a drive could go round the Earth a few times and change their flight direction as often as wanted before approaching their target. They could circle in remote areas near to the target and could even come home when an attack wasnt conducted. Thats a very alarming new military technology.

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Trelane

They are finally testing the Shagohod.

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