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Epstein found Dead in Jail

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1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

Mitchell and Richardson are second tier political figures, a senator and a governor.

The list is elites.  It will probably be a selective, posh list with maybe  a few more names added.

I wouldn't call Mitchell second tier but he's long out of office now. Richardson is so so.

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Piney
11 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

It all depends. If he was on suicide watch then it would be harder. But yes i tend to agree with you. 

When your on suicide watch you are put in something called a "turtle suit" and in a padded cell.  

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Just now, Piney said:

When your on suicide watch you are put in something called a "turtle suit" and in a padded cell.  

So how did Epstein die under such circumstances? 

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Piney
Just now, Captain Risky said:

So how did Epstein die under such circumstances? 

He was off watch and probably used a sheet or his skivvies. 

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Just now, Piney said:

He was off watch and probably used a sheet or his skivvies. 

Well then that would explain it. Of course didn't stop Trump being more economical with the truth than a Toyota Prius in claiming he was on suicide watch when it happened. Why anyone takes Trump serious is a mystery to me. 

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Piney
1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

Why anyone takes Trump serious is a mystery to me. 

Yeah, well I met him personally when he was a casino failure......ahem, owner.....hence my quote. Your preaching to the choir. :lol:

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

It couldn't be that they have hung out together for decades and Clinton's sordid past. I wish I had been more aware of his past before I voted for him.

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Just now, Michelle said:

It couldn't be that they have hung out together for decades and Clinton's sordid past. I wish I had more aware of his past before I voted for him.

Like yourself i think most people would change their vote if they could. Trump just isn't the swamp drainer he made himself out to be. 

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1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

Like yourself i think most people would change their vote if they could. Trump just isn't the swamp drainer he made himself out to be. 

It's so deeply entrenched I never expected instant results.

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Posted (edited)

I've been reading through a Partial Transcript (55 pages - part of the documents released) it's here if you'd like to see it for yourself.  (pdf format) 

Go to Page 15 to see the Index.

I've noticed a few people have mentioned Trump and Clinton.  

See the following from the Partial Transcript File (and make of it what you will)

Go to Page 19 to read about Bill Clinton.

Go to Page 25 to read about Donald Trump.

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WARNING: Adult Content below

Personally, I think the way it's worded is that Roberts hasn't seen Maxwell fly Clinton to the Island, it's heresay, as Maxwell told her so.  However, the dinner on the island was for him after he'd left office. See the pics of the shortened transcript below (or goto Page 40):

Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Tipper Gore on Epstein Island

Donald Trump, Senator George Mitchell and Naomi Campbell

Go to Page 41 for Virginia Roberts / Ghislaine Maxwell - Too Adult for Picture Links

Prince Andrew Virginia Roberts  (or Go to Page 42)

The Prince Andrew example reminded me of the Fergie scandal in 1992 :o (had to dig deep for this one!) :lol: 

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Hopefully this sorts out whats actually happened re both Clinton and Trump and personally I don't see either of them as doing anything wrong, except for Clinton saying he's never been to Little St James, which would be a lie according to Virginia Roberts.  Trump flirted with her but never had sex with her or any of the other girls when she was there according to Virginia Roberts.  Make of it what you will. 

 

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2 minutes ago, pixiii said:

I've been reading through a Partial Transcript (55 pages - part of the documents released) it's here if you'd like to see it for yourself.  (pdf format) 

Go to Page 15 to see the Index.

I've noticed a few people have mentioned Trump and Clinton.  

See the following from the Partial Transcript File (and make of it what you will)

Go to Page 19 to read about Bill Clinton.

Go to Page 25 to read about Donald Trump.

Personally, I think the way it's worded is that Roberts hasn't seen Maxwell fly Clinton to the Island, it's heresay, as Maxwell told her so.  However, the dinner on the island was for him after he'd left office. See the pics of the shortened transcript below (or goto Page 40):

Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Tipper Gore on Epstein Island

Donald Trump, Senator George Mitchell and Naomi Campbell

Go to Page 41 for Virginia Roberts / Ghislaine Maxwell - Too Adult for Picture Links

Prince Andrew Virginia Roberts  (or Go to Page 42)

 

Thanks for providing the info above. Very balanced. Still, party politics aside i think its safe to say that Epstein is beyond politics. Its a case of the rich and famous finding a fixer and supporting him up until he was beyond being supported. And then they just walked away from him. He knew it and thats why he did what he did. 

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Gwynbleidd
2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Thanks for providing the info above. Very balanced. Still, party politics aside i think its safe to say that Epstein is beyond politics. Its a case of the rich and famous finding a fixer and supporting him up until he was beyond being supported. And then they just walked away from him. He knew it and thats why he did what he did. 

Very well said Risky.  I also feel it's beyond politics.  These people aren't the "normal average Joe's" and have probably felt they've always been above the law.  I haven't even gone through all of the documents yet.  Just a little bit!  That last bit did remind me of Fergie though! :lol:  I shouldn't laugh.....maybe it's a Royal thing :o 

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2 minutes ago, pixiii said:

Very well said Risky.  I also feel it's beyond politics.  These people aren't the "normal average Joe's" and have probably felt they've always been above the law.  I haven't even gone through all of the documents yet.  Just a little bit!  That last bit did remind me of Fergie though! :lol:  I shouldn't laugh.....maybe it's a Royal thing :o 

You think that Prince Andrew's toe licking ruined Fergie for all other men? LOL.

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Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

You think that Prince Andrew's toe licking ruined Fergie for all other men? LOL.

I'm not sure to be honest, she had that American Businessman licking her toes in 1992 so I thought toe fetishes might be a thing for the Royal's :wacko:

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bee
6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

A buddy of mine has a theory.
He thinks that Epstein never died, it was all a rouse. They took him to the "hospital" but really spirited out on a plane to Israel. :huh:

Oh, what the heck, people are so corrupt today it actually has a chance to be true!

 

This is the third possibility that isn't getting much attention... 

If (as it appears) Epstein was a front man for a politically based blackmail operation - would he get
thrown under a bus or would he be told to keep his mouth shut and sit tight and wait to get spirited away
to a safe location... ?

it wouldn't be good for the morale of others working in the 'operation' if they thought they could be 
dispensed of so easily.... i am guessing that 'watching each other's backs' is an
important part of keeping the secrecy going - otherwise there could be defections ...?

let's see how much actual evidence the public gets to see of cause of death... funeral and whatnot..

 

 

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Kismit
5 minutes ago, bee said:

 

This is the third possibility that isn't getting much attention... 

If (as it appears) Epstein was a front man for a politically based blackmail operation - would he get
thrown under a bus or would he be told to keep his mouth shut and sit tight and wait to get spirited away
to a safe location... ?

it wouldn't be good for the morale of others working in the 'operation' if they thought they could be 
dispensed of so easily.... i am guessing that 'watching each other's backs' is an
important part of keeping the secrecy going - otherwise there could be defections ...?

let's see how much actual evidence the public gets to see of cause of death... funeral and whatnot..

 

 

I can actually see why this theory would have legs, however the earlier incident where he was found unconscious and with injuries slightly invalidates the being under special protections. It is more likely that he is actually Dead with a capital D

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Captain Risky
9 minutes ago, bee said:

let's see how much actual evidence the public gets to see of cause of death... funeral and whatnot..

One thing is for sure i doubt that any of his "high end friends" would want be seen at his funeral.   

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1 minute ago, Kismit said:

I can actually see why this theory would have legs, however the earlier incident where he was found unconscious and with injuries slightly invalidates the being under special protections. It is more likely that he is actually Dead with a capital D

 

the earlier incident could have been part of the overall plan.... to set the scene...

he very well could be dead (one way or another)... but if we never see any convincing evidence of that -
being spirited away, never to be seen again - maybe living a life of luxury and depravity at a secret location
.... remains a possibility IMO...

 

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4 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

One thing is for sure i doubt that any of his "high end friends" would want be seen at his funeral.   

 

i doubt that there will be a funeral ... ^_^

 

 

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Gwynbleidd
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

I just had a read of this Risky and I'm not sure if you'd agree or not as we both have differing opinions on Trump, but to me, it seems Trump retweeted Terrence K. Williams' tweet who is a conservative commentator and comedian.  

Check this out, this is exactly how I see what was said (not by Trump, but by Williams)

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"Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen," Terrence K. Williams, a conservative commentator and comedian, wrote in the message retweeted by Trump. In a two-minute-long selfie video recording, Williams alleged that the Clintons were responsible for Epstein's death.

It wasn't Trump that said the Clintons were responsible for Epstein's death.  He only retweeted a tweet from this comedian guy.  The media words it so it tricks people straight away into thinking Trump said it, but he didn't say it,   Williams did.

Now take a look at the 1st paragraph in the news article below:

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President Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory Saturday evening alleging without evidence that former President Bill Clinton was connected to the death of wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.

The first paragraph shows in the wording they've used (in bold), which is where they hook people immediately.  But look at the second paragraph again up the top.  But they've already hooked you on the wording of the first paragraph, so now the reader is thinking, yep, Trump said it, so you brush over the 2nd paragraph where it blatantly says who actually made the alleged conspiracy theory, Terrence K. Williams. 

Anyway, I just wanted to point this out because it's a good example of how the media uses clever wordplay to catch people's interest in their articles and run with the narrative they want.  I have no idea who this Terrence K Williams is either though. :) 

The only reason I say this is, I used to retweet heaps of things, good and bad, whether I agreed with them or not.  It was more to make others aware of something bad that might be happening or something good that might be happening.  I also understand that when some people retweet, they're taking ownership of that other person's opinion.  However, I can't see that here in how it's written. 

Also check out the Journo's snippet here in the search results.....Check out how much stock she puts into RT's (those are Retweets btw) 

If you're ever unsure about articles, go after the journo's and see where they really stand.  As you can see if you go to her link on Twitter, she's changed her info to make sure nobody sees her RT comments....yet you can see what it used to be, prior to this report re RT's....changed just a wee bit too late.  Sneaky!

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6 hours ago, pixiii said:

No cellmate anymore and taken off suicide watch.  How ridiculously convenient. :lol:   

 

 

exactly....

now if Epstein thought he was going to be murdered I think he would have spoken to his lawyers about
that all the time and maybe had some 'insurance' to prevent that happening...

or I suppose he could have been lead to believe that he was going to be spirited away to keep him sweet
then he was done away with somehow... :unsure2:

whatever...I think suicide is the least likely scenario -

  

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14 minutes ago, pixiii said:

However, I can't see that here in how it's written.  I kinda feel like Trump just does what he wants anyway, regardless of what others think.

 

I had a dream about Trump the other night.... there was this weak looking branch of a tree about 3 foot off the ground..
Trump had said that he was going to sit on it and it would ok... I tested the branch myself with my hand  and thought...
oh dear I don't think this will take his weight and he is setting himself up for a fall and ridicule... but when he got on it..
it not only took his weight but he swung backwards and forwards on it like it was a big swing - it turned into a big
swing and he was laughing and looked really happy and energized ... I started laughing as well and clapping and
lots of other people were clapping as well... and Trump was very pleased.... :D

 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

So how did Epstein die under such circumstances? 

He had help.

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Skulduggery

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/amp/

Take from this what you will. Also, if this has already been posted, my bad. I don’t have the patience or desire to wade through all this BS on here. All I can say is him being offed is one conspiracy I won’t call anyone crazy for believing. 

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