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A Universe Not Made For Us

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Certainly predestined to die !

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Piney
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17 minutes ago, Will Due said:

In case you're wondering (you probably aren't) this is what the UB says, amongst other things, about predestination:

That's ripped right from Calvin too. 

The only mainstream sect of Christianity that still believes it are the Presbyterians.  Even the Catholics now reject it, while still calling Pelagius, the theologian who preached it, a heretic. 

A matter of fact the Catholic term for it is the "Pelagian Heresy". :lol: 

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Predestination is just a preliminary plan that is always revised and updated as we go. That's how I see it anyways. It's just a starting point. 

 

 

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Piney
1 minute ago, Will Due said:

Predestination is just a preliminary plan that is always revised and updated as we go. That's how I see it anyways. It's just a starting point. 

I'll stick with my "random" Buddhism. ;)

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Coil
6 hours ago, Will Due said:

All of them.

But eternity is simply the everlasting now. 

They're opposite because eternity goes on forever while time ends.

Another thing that makes them opposite is that time has a beginning while the eternal past is in the eternal now.

Or something like that. :passifier:

 

Here is a vision of a spiritual person, what is Time, Timeless, Absolute:

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Timeless and Time are the same Eternity or the same Eternal in a dual status; they represent the twofold status of being and consciousness, one is the eternity of an immovable status, the other is an eternity of movement in the same status.

Therefore, there are no two eternities, one is eternity of status, the other is eternity of movement but there are various statuses or positions adopted by Consciousness in relation to one Eternity.

 The emergence of motion from the Unchangeable is an eternal phenomenon, and only because we cannot comprehend it at that eternally new moment, which is devoid of beginning and end, which is the eternity of the Timeless, only therefore our ideas and perceptions are forced to replace it with a temporary eternity of consistent duration, to which attached ideas of the ever-returning beginning, middle and end.

Every beginning and every end implies something beyond the beginning and the end. The absolute end, the absolute beginning is not only a terminological contradiction, but a contradiction of the essence of things, violence, fiction. Infinity imposes itself on the appearance of the finite through the ineffable self-existence.

Absolute energy outside of action is simply a purely absolute existence. If all forms, qualities, quantities disappeared, this would remain.
They come not in one single form, one single quantity, one single quality, which would be the basis of everything else - for such a basis does not exist - but in something that we cannot define using any of these terms. and there, since they continue to exist, they become something that can no longer be described with the terms corresponding to them in motion.

Therefore, we say that pure existence is the Absolute and is unknowable in itself through our thinking, although we can return to it in a supreme identity that exceeds the terms of knowledge.

We must remember that stability and movement are only our psychological ideas about the Absolute, even as well as identity and multiplicity. The absolute is beyond the limits of stability and movement, as beyond the limits of unity and multiplicity. But the Absolute takes its eternal position in the one and the same and revolves around itself endlessly, incomprehensibly, reliably in motion and multiplicity. The existence of the world is represented by the ecstatic dance of Shiva, infinitely multiplying the body of God: it leaves that white existence exactly where it was and what it always was, is and will be; his only absolute goal is to enjoy the dance.

 As in absolute existence there can be neither nothing, nor a night of unconsciousness, nor incompleteness, it can be said, nor a lack of Strength - because if any of these things were present there, then this existence would not be absolute - just as it is there can be no suffering, no denial of delight.

Even our relative humanity has this experience, expressed in the fact that any dissatisfaction implies a restriction, an obstacle - satisfaction comes with the realization of something held back, with exceeding the limit, with overcoming the obstacle. This is due to the fact that our original being is absolutely in full possession of its infinite and unlimited self-consciousness and self-power; it is self-possession, another name for which is self-delight. And to the extent that the relative touches that self-possession, it moves towards satisfaction, touches delight.

Taken from these chapters of the book:

Chapter 10 The Pure Existent
Chapter 2 Brahman, Purusha, Ishwara, Maya, Prakriti, Shakti
Chapter 11 Delight of Existence: The Problem

https://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/sriaurobindo/downloadpdf.php?id=36

 

 

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psyche101
9 hours ago, Will Due said:

Some things (or a lot of things) are universal aren't they?

But don't you believe in free will? 

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8 hours ago, Will Due said:

Predestination is just a preliminary plan that is always revised and updated as we go. That's how I see it anyways. It's just a starting point. 

That's self contradictory. 

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5 hours ago, Coil said:

 

Here is a vision of a spiritual person, what is Time, Timeless, Absolute:

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Timeless and Time are the same Eternity or the same Eternal in a dual status; they represent the twofold status of being and consciousness, one is the eternity of an immovable status, the other is an eternity of movement in the same status.

Therefore, there are no two eternities, one is eternity of status, the other is eternity of movement but there are various statuses or positions adopted by Consciousness in relation to one Eternity.

 The emergence of motion from the Unchangeable is an eternal phenomenon, and only because we cannot comprehend it at that eternally new moment, which is devoid of beginning and end, which is the eternity of the Timeless, only therefore our ideas and perceptions are forced to replace it with a temporary eternity of consistent duration, to which attached ideas of the ever-returning beginning, middle and end.

Every beginning and every end implies something beyond the beginning and the end. The absolute end, the absolute beginning is not only a terminological contradiction, but a contradiction of the essence of things, violence, fiction. Infinity imposes itself on the appearance of the finite through the ineffable self-existence.

Absolute energy outside of action is simply a purely absolute existence. If all forms, qualities, quantities disappeared, this would remain.
They come not in one single form, one single quantity, one single quality, which would be the basis of everything else - for such a basis does not exist - but in something that we cannot define using any of these terms. and there, since they continue to exist, they become something that can no longer be described with the terms corresponding to them in motion.

Therefore, we say that pure existence is the Absolute and is unknowable in itself through our thinking, although we can return to it in a supreme identity that exceeds the terms of knowledge.

We must remember that stability and movement are only our psychological ideas about the Absolute, even as well as identity and multiplicity. The absolute is beyond the limits of stability and movement, as beyond the limits of unity and multiplicity. But the Absolute takes its eternal position in the one and the same and revolves around itself endlessly, incomprehensibly, reliably in motion and multiplicity. The existence of the world is represented by the ecstatic dance of Shiva, infinitely multiplying the body of God: it leaves that white existence exactly where it was and what it always was, is and will be; his only absolute goal is to enjoy the dance.

 As in absolute existence there can be neither nothing, nor a night of unconsciousness, nor incompleteness, it can be said, nor a lack of Strength - because if any of these things were present there, then this existence would not be absolute - just as it is there can be no suffering, no denial of delight.

Even our relative humanity has this experience, expressed in the fact that any dissatisfaction implies a restriction, an obstacle - satisfaction comes with the realization of something held back, with exceeding the limit, with overcoming the obstacle. This is due to the fact that our original being is absolutely in full possession of its infinite and unlimited self-consciousness and self-power; it is self-possession, another name for which is self-delight. And to the extent that the relative touches that self-possession, it moves towards satisfaction, touches delight.

Taken from these chapters of the book:

Chapter 10 The Pure Existent
Chapter 2 Brahman, Purusha, Ishwara, Maya, Prakriti, Shakti
Chapter 11 Delight of Existence: The Problem

https://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/sriaurobindo/downloadpdf.php?id=36

 

 

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