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Evidence of the Babylonian conquest found

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Piney
3 hours ago, larryp said:

This fictional book is backed up three-time by archeology, history,

Sources?

3 hours ago, larryp said:

and most importantly, Yahweh written word.

Proof that he wrote it himself?? 

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jmccr8
7 hours ago, Piney said:

Proof that he wrote it himself??

Hi Piney

Given god's dependence on man to do everything I am not convinced that god knows how to write.

jmccr8

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Jodie.Lynne
9 hours ago, Piney said:

Proof that he wrote it himself?? 

I've always found it puzzling that god can supposedly do everything humans can't (create universes and such), but can't seem to do anything humans CAN do. Ya know, like build a boat, write a book, mundane things.

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Sir Wearer of Hats
1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

I've always found it puzzling that god can supposedly do everything humans can't (create universes and such), but can't seem to do anything humans CAN do. Ya know, like build a boat, write a book, mundane things.

Can and want are two different things. He can talk to ants, but does He want to? No, all they talk about is Keeping Up With The Kardashiants.

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Desertrat56
1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Can and want are two different things. He can talk to ants, but does He want to? No, all they talk about is Keeping Up With The Kardashiants.

"He"?

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Jodie.Lynne
4 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Can and want are two different things. He can talk to ants, but does He want to? No, all they talk about is Keeping Up With The Kardashiants.

Just for that horrible pun, no anti-rust treatment for you! :P

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Harte
10 hours ago, Peter Cox said:

Well its not really a lot. 

The reason I say this are there 2 trains of thought here that have real arguments (100's of others but 2 main ones)

1. Brush all logic aside and accept that in your Faith the scriptures is the word of God - nothing could convince you otherwise

2. Using facts and logic dispel any great creator theory and using what we know, show how the wold is MUCH older than that in the bible, and the events in the bible did not play out as it says (very broad I know) 

However following human nature, and their lust for power what better way that creating the illusion of power by creating heaven, earth and hell and then telling the masses that if they do not do certain things they end in eternal damnation. Even more so creating armies to go an claim land and fight wars in the name of the deity in question.

It didn't start out that way. It ended up that way but it isn't that way anymore. Much.

That is, there's not nearly as much power available from this in modern times.

Harte

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Jodie.Lynne
15 minutes ago, Harte said:

That is, there's not nearly as much power available from this in modern times.

IDK Harte, from the demographics, there are a lot of people who believe, hook, line, and sinker.

While it's true that the Vatican may not hold as much influence as it once did, there are still plenty of hellfire & brimstone preachers out there that seem to hold sway over a large portion of the populace. At least here in the States.

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Harte

Nah. Those sinners in those churches think they've got one over on the pastor and the rest of the congregation.

Of course, there are a whole lot of people that look like the church over-influences their decisions. Abortion is one example where you see it come up.

But there are a whole lot of anti-abortion people that aren't really religious and don't attend church.

Similarly for other moral and cultural issues.

People on one side tend sometimes to gravitate to a church because that's where other like-minded people are on issues.

The media turns this into Christians versus "regular" people. Just an oversimplification.

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Jodie.Lynne
4 minutes ago, Harte said:

The media turns this into Christians versus "regular" people. Just an oversimplification.

Yes and no. Yes, the media plays a part in highlighting some of the issues; and No, because there are a lot of people out there that abide by their holy book, or what they have been told their holy book says, who aren't out in the spotlight.

Those that think that Ken Ham and the 'Answers in Genesis' bunch have the right answers.

Check out Aron Ra on YouTube, and see how the Texas Board of Education is determined that their kids have to be 'protected' from science, and truth, in favour of biblical narrative.

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larryp
19 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

It's STILL POST-Exilic in origin. You have no point. 

cormac

Right . . .

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Piney
4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

"He"?

Shaman to Shaman, don't you hate that? :lol:

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larryp
18 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Tangible evidence of what precisely? That the Dead Sea Scrolls exist? Well, duh.

Silly, you need to keep up.

The Dead Sea Scroll provide tangible evidence that the Bible has been translated thousands of time without significant error. I know, you don't like that. 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
3 minutes ago, larryp said:

Silly, you need to keep up.

The Dead Sea Scroll provide tangible evidence that the Bible has been translated thousands of time without significant error. I know, you don't like that. 

What you see as the inerrant hand of God, I see as skill and dedication of humans. Of course there has been “little” variation in the text, the people doing the Trnlsating believe it to be the Word Of God so choose words that they feel best fit with what the text they are translating says and what the people they’re translating the text for want it to be used for.

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larryp
19 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

Yahweh didn't even exist, in writing, as a Hebrew god until AFTER the Babylonian Exile. 

cormac

What is your point?

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cormac mac airt
24 minutes ago, larryp said:

What is your point?

You’re promoting a “pretender to the throne” as it were since Yahweh was originally NONE of the things the Hebrews/Jews made HIM out to be later. Yet you continue to lie about what MOST archaeologists and historians agree on, evidence of which runs contrary to your claims. 

cormac

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jaylemurph
1 hour ago, larryp said:

What is your point?

I think part of his point may well be "You cannot constantly invoke the name of historians whilst simultaneously lying your ass off about what they believe and have anyone respect/listen to you."

Particularly when a plurality of historians is in the same virtual room as you.

--Jaylemurph

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Piney
1 hour ago, larryp said:

Silly, you need to keep up.

The Dead Sea Scroll provide tangible evidence that the Bible has been translated thousands of time without significant error. I know, you don't like that. 

Maybe a few hundred going into the 21st Century with Indigenous translations but this is another outright lie.

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jaylemurph
50 minutes ago, Piney said:

Maybe a few hundred going into the 21st Century with Indigenous translations but this is another outright lie.

They could have just stopped with Jerome.

Larry is living proof most christians don't waste their time reading their Holy Writ. Or letting that affect their own perception of their knowledge of said text.

--Jaylemurph

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Piney
22 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

They could have just stopped with Jerome.

 

Athanasius didn't finish the job.

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larryp
On 9/23/2019 at 3:29 AM, cormac mac airt said:

He was a barely recognized storm deity from a pantheon that had NOTHING to do with the Jews before they adopted him and made him the sole creator deity. 

cormac

^^^ Smoke and mirrors!!

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, larryp said:

^^^ Smoke and mirrors!!

^^^  BS and lack of intelligence. 

cormac

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Jodie.Lynne
4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

^^^  BS and lack of intelligence. 

cormac

Why even engage with him? It is an exercise in futility. Does not, will not, cannot, listen to anything that refutes his holy beliefs, yet provides no evidence or citations to back up his assertions.

There is no discussion with him and all comments fall on deaf ears.

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