GLCsector3295 Posted August 12, 2019 #1 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Money Money Money... What if , there was a planet some where with in traveling distance , of an acceptable frame of time that would make it worth traveling to and from. An then that planet is found to not be inhabited by intelligent life, might be some vegetation , microbes,etc.. ANYHOW Then humanity finds out that the planet has resources that can be mined, all the big ones here that are used constantly, gold, silver, copper, etc. An say then that those resources are beyond enough to supply our planet indefinitely , can those resources in turn be used to basically put an end to money/ currency, a need for taxes ... ? It may not stop things like theft, and the need for food and water but if it was a way to end the need to pay for things, would it work, or would things resort to some kind of bartering system or what could happen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 12, 2019 #2 Share Posted August 12, 2019 No, we will switch to sea shells. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 12, 2019 #3 Share Posted August 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, Habitat said: No, we will switch to sea shells. I'm betting on bird bones. I've been stocking up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted August 12, 2019 #4 Share Posted August 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: I'm betting on bird bones. I've been stocking up. dude.....https://birdsarentreal.com/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted August 12, 2019 #5 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Remember that terrible Costner movie where he has gills and webbed feet? DIRT was the thing that was scarce and therefore nearly priceless. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted August 12, 2019 #6 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Dammit... What am I supposed to do with the beetle wings now... ~ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 12, 2019 #7 Share Posted August 12, 2019 43 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: dude.....https://birdsarentreal.com/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted August 12, 2019 #8 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, GLCsector3295 said: Money Money Money... What if , there was a planet some where with in traveling distance , of an acceptable frame of time that would make it worth traveling to and from. An then that planet is found to not be inhabited by intelligent life, might be some vegetation , microbes,etc.. ANYHOW Then humanity finds out that the planet has resources that can be mined, all the big ones here that are used constantly, gold, silver, copper, etc. An say then that those resources are beyond enough to supply our planet indefinitely , can those resources in turn be used to basically put an end to money/ currency, a need for taxes ... ? It may not stop things like theft, and the need for food and water but if it was a way to end the need to pay for things, would it work, or would things resort to some kind of bartering system or what could happen ? Taking into account that money might loose its value one has to consider that there might be a different bartering system then. Challenge being, knowing human nature the thing will come down to a) who mines the valuables and will they share it equally? They might just make the rich more rich and the rest becomes poor(er) there will me lots more conflict about things that we always took for granted, soil is one, but ever thought about someone claiming water sources and making people pay to access those water point? I foresee rebellion more than peace Humanity lacks the ability to come together and ensure that all are treated fairly and equally.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLCsector3295 Posted August 12, 2019 Author #9 Share Posted August 12, 2019 so even if there was a source to wipe out national debt, and put everyone on an equal playing field in regards to at least money, then the guess is that there will be something else to find worth to hold over others ? Food, water, land, medicine, and fuel, along with metals find a giant earth, that can be mined for all its resources, or at least those resources. I am not talking about ending crime,and war, but maybe an end to financial needs, where extreme poverty is non existent and society as a whole could come pretty close to science fiction like the society in the world of Star Trek. Social classes still exist and etc. But no one is worrying about paying taxes , bills, transportation needs, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted August 12, 2019 #10 Share Posted August 12, 2019 At this point in our civilization I cannot see that happening. We have illegal immigrants trying to come to America with literally nothing in their hands, and then we have company executives worth billions. There is just too much lack of empathy, greed, and disparity in wealth on this planet, and to place every one on equal footing would diminish the status of the wealthy and elite. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted August 12, 2019 #11 Share Posted August 12, 2019 14 hours ago, GLCsector3295 said: Money Money Money... What if , there was a planet some where with in traveling distance , of an acceptable frame of time that would make it worth traveling to and from. An then that planet is found to not be inhabited by intelligent life, might be some vegetation , microbes,etc.. ANYHOW Then humanity finds out that the planet has resources that can be mined, all the big ones here that are used constantly, gold, silver, copper, etc. An say then that those resources are beyond enough to supply our planet indefinitely , can those resources in turn be used to basically put an end to money/ currency, a need for taxes ... ? It may not stop things like theft, and the need for food and water but if it was a way to end the need to pay for things, would it work, or would things resort to some kind of bartering system or what could happen ? Money hasn't been based on any of those things for ages. Money represents control over resources, it is imaginary in the way that we use it as any money has to start as a transaction on a ledger, and once the transaction is put in the ledger it becomes an asset for one and a liability for another, but no money has changed hands. Just think about how banks are allowed to loan more than they actually have and once the loan is processed they show it as an asset, which increases their net worth, no money existed before they created that loan. The person who got the loan now has a debt, still no real money has been exchanged. A transaction shows up in the loanee's account, etc. When you get and use cash, you are not using money based on gold or silver you are using money based on ledger transactions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted August 12, 2019 #12 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Money is an illusion, only real if you believe in it. And a lot of people believe in it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotic Jew Posted August 12, 2019 #13 Share Posted August 12, 2019 15 hours ago, Habitat said: No, we will switch to sea shells. Seashells replace toilet paper...not money... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotic Jew Posted August 12, 2019 #14 Share Posted August 12, 2019 In all seriousness we would be better off and farther along as a species if the concepts of money and religion never existed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted August 12, 2019 #15 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Robotic Jew said: In all seriousness we would be better off and farther along as a species if the concepts of money and religion never existed. While I do agree. There would still be something akin to wealth and power. Seem to be in the nature of our species. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted August 12, 2019 #16 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Insecure humans have always wanted something to become more powerful to compensate numerous handicaps they have, to buy power and to rise amongst other. In the past was a sheep flock , more slaves, stock food. Etc. Now its money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted August 12, 2019 #17 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Sadly, there will always be some humans addicted to money. They cannot sleep if they only have enough to buy everything on the planet 13 times and someone else has 2p more. It's an illness. They would be pittied if the money obsessed tabloid press didn't deify them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted August 13, 2019 #18 Share Posted August 13, 2019 The fatal flaw in the OP is that they believe governments and mega-corporations (who would have the funds needed to make the trip), would suddenly be generous and beneficial by sharing the new found wealth with everyone. Instead of, ya know, trying to grab every last piece of valuable material for themselves, screaming "MINE!" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 13, 2019 #19 Share Posted August 13, 2019 IF somehow, everyone had enough "wealth" of some sort to buy whatever they wanted to....who would go to work? Who would produce those things? It is need and want that give goods & services value. Money is becoming electronic for the most part. Just numbers with value attached. Money was invented as a convienience,it was easier to trade some small but very valuable pieces of gold than a herd of cattle? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotic Jew Posted August 13, 2019 #20 Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said: The fatal flaw in the OP is that they believe governments and mega-corporations (who would have the funds needed to make the trip), would suddenly be generous and beneficial by sharing the new found wealth with everyone. Instead of, ya know, trying to grab every last piece of valuable material for themselves, screaming "MINE!" They would immediately begin loading up spaceships and exploiting those willing to go extract those resources before adequate laws could be made to protect them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VastLand Posted August 13, 2019 #21 Share Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 10:14 PM, GLCsector3295 said: Money Money Money... What if , there was a planet some where with in traveling distance , of an acceptable frame of time that would make it worth traveling to and from. An then that planet is found to not be inhabited by intelligent life, might be some vegetation , microbes,etc.. ANYHOW Then humanity finds out that the planet has resources that can be mined, all the big ones here that are used constantly, gold, silver, copper, etc. An say then that those resources are beyond enough to supply our planet indefinitely , can those resources in turn be used to basically put an end to money/ currency, a need for taxes ... ? It may not stop things like theft, and the need for food and water but if it was a way to end the need to pay for things, would it work, or would things resort to some kind of bartering system or what could happen ? Even without money, it is this sick philosophy people hold, thinking, that mining, or cutting out precious elements, is worthy for a society of peace. There can be no peace in destruction, those metals are down there for a reason, they have an electric and electromagnetic function, for the earth and other lands. Taking them out dampens, or interrupts functionality of the natural world. There is a society which needs no money, and no mining, and still is civilized and advanced, and this society is in the future my friend. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VastLand Posted August 13, 2019 #22 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, lightly said: Money is becoming electronic for the most part. Just numbers with value attached. Money was invented as a convienience,it was easier to trade some small but very valuable pieces of gold than a herd of cattle? Is it not sad that humans devote their lives to valueless numbers, driven by insecurity? It is a matter of control for someone, operating that numerical system. Damn Shame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted August 13, 2019 #23 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Frankly speaking, it's not the idea of money that is corrosive, it's the demands on what money should provide that is undoing modern human civilization ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VastLand Posted August 13, 2019 #24 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) The Greed fueled by the insecurity of death, is that which gives rise to monetary systems, and the corrosion by which money is the medium. Edited August 13, 2019 by VastLand Grammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted August 13, 2019 #25 Share Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 7:45 AM, GLCsector3295 said: so even if there was a source to wipe out national debt, and put everyone on an equal playing field in regards to at least money, then the guess is that there will be something else to find worth to hold over others ? There are plenty of resources now. Two problems I see are distribution and status. How do you parcel out all of that wealth? Do you bring it back for all of humanity or do the people that built the space ship and went off to do the mining keep it all? How do we adjust our sense of fair play, work and reward? Are some personalities programmed to want more and dominate? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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