Mr Guitar Posted August 15, 2019 #226 Share Posted August 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, Goddess of the Mist said: No, it's not in your mind and the medical community has not located our soul. This is getting off topic from the op, but do you meditate? This has to do with connecting to a consciousness that goes beyond our thoughts or our mind. Most of the time, you have to be at a point in your life where you are simply ready to accept and explore this. You may want to do some research on your own about meditation and consciousness. The great unwashed? Not sure what you mean by that, but I'm not trying to say I'm better or smarter than anyone. This is about being aware. Aware of what? It is what it is...no more. I'm at a point in my life (74) where I'm just glad to still be upright and have accepted that, at some point, I will cease to exist and that's OK. Some people can't seem to accept that and worry about some fictitious afterlife which doesn't exist. I did all the 'meditating' that I needed while sitting in a hole in the ground in SE Asia in 1968 and 1969 with enemy rockets and mortars trying to kill me. A person gets a different outlook after going through something like that. And, yes, I do have rather severe PTSD and a bad heart from the Agent Orange herbicide they sprayed on us. It could be that there is another place where we all go but I have seen NO evidence of it except the esoteric ramblings of wishful thinkers who just can't accept that they can't exist forever. You live, you die, you rot......end of story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted August 15, 2019 #227 Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, stereologist said: Again posting nonsense and pretending it is correct. The notion that color perception or any perception for that matter being external to the body is wrong. The methods by which we perceive have been studied and examined for a very long time and it is clear that perception is how we understand the world but the world is not what we perceive. Color perception is the perception of various wavelengths of the EM spectrum. There are good reasons in chemistry and physics for animals to detect those wavelengths. The portions of our brains and animal brains that interpret those signals is well known. It's inside of our heads, not outside. You might want to revisit those "high school science" you seem to have gotten extremely wrong. Open your eyes and look around you. Your colour perception is around you, not in your head lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted August 15, 2019 #228 Share Posted August 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Open your eyes and look around you. Your colour perception is around you, not in your head lol. False. You do realize you are wrong again and much worse than anything you've posted before. There are no colors in the world. Colors are just the way animals can perceive various wavelengths that arrive at their eyes. Your physics seems to be so poor you probably don't realize that colors do not exist outside of our perception of the world, which is inside of our heads. Did you know not everyone can perceive blue even if their eyes have the proper color detection cells? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted August 15, 2019 #229 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Open your eyes and look around you. Your colour perception is around you, not in your head lol. Haha. Your reasoning is like that of a child thinking people live inside their TV rather than the TV creating the picture. How do you go from "our brains then create the perception of colour from those electrical signals" to "your colour perception is around you, not in your head"? Way to totally contradict yourself. Edited August 15, 2019 by Rlyeh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted August 15, 2019 #230 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Rlyeh said: Haha. Your reasoning is like that of a child thinking people live inside their TV rather than the TV creating the picture. We know how colour perceptions work. Its you who is denying that your colour perception exists outside of your head and all around you. Consciousness is like a projector, it projects outside of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted August 15, 2019 #231 Share Posted August 15, 2019 This color issue is as ridiculous as the story RabidMongoose tried to tell about a demo of a system in which a speaker played sound before the CD was read. These stories are downright funny they are so pathetic. Colors do not exist except in our minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted August 15, 2019 #232 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 minute ago, RabidMongoose said: We know how colour perceptions work. Its you who is denying that your colour perception exists outside of your head and all around you. Consciousness is like a projector, it projects outside of you. That's so funny. How hilarious. Please explain how some people cannot see blue even though their eyes can detect that wavelength? Can't wait for your bizarre explanation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted August 15, 2019 #233 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Just now, RabidMongoose said: We know how colour perceptions work. Yes, like you said "our brains then create the perception of colour". But then you went on to say something stupid. Just now, RabidMongoose said: Its you who is denying that your colour perception exists outside of your head and all around you. Like this. Just now, RabidMongoose said: Consciousness is like a projector, it projects outside of you. No, if anything it's receiving external information. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted August 15, 2019 #234 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, stereologist said: This color issue is as ridiculous as the story RabidMongoose tried to tell about a demo of a system in which a speaker played sound before the CD was read. These stories are downright funny they are so pathetic. Colors do not exist except in our minds. One topic he claims he can see quantum decoherence occurring before his very eyes. To prove it he cited a paper that contradicts his story by saying it happens too fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted August 15, 2019 #235 Share Posted August 15, 2019 @RabidMongoose I have a question for you, is your brain inside or outside your head? If it's outside your head I could understand that your colour perception is also outside your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted August 15, 2019 #236 Share Posted August 15, 2019 38 minutes ago, Mr Guitar said: You live, you die, you rot......end of story. I believe in the afterlife not from wishful thinking but because of the Afterlife Evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted August 15, 2019 #237 Share Posted August 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rlyeh said: One topic he claims he can see quantum decoherence occurring before his very eyes. To prove it he cited a paper that contradicts his story by saying it happens too fast. It's so funny that his defense is not evidence, but like in the case you mention he tells a story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted August 15, 2019 #238 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said: Open your eyes and look around you. Your colour perception is around you, not in your head lol. So true. Close your eyes .. and the world vanishes - try it, you folks!! I don't think I need to point out I am being sarcastic. As a person with a color perception problem, this topic is one I'm very familiar with. Yeah, as I walk by, I often hear people saying "What happened to the colours?" "Why is that green stuff not as bright?" "WTH, I suddenly can't tell if that car is purple or blue!" Happens all the time - my (bad) color perception affects everyone around me.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 15, 2019 #239 Share Posted August 15, 2019 8 hours ago, stereologist said: My guess is that you know that I am right and you are wrong. So please attempt to support the suggestion that "the supernatural are just natural things that we don't understand yet" because frankly I don't believe you can. Actually, I know you are wrong, but I am not mystified why you'd think otherwise. And I don't think the so-called paranormal is at all natural, in any sense of the word that we normally use it, and the fact that it seems to seamlessly avoid being pinned down, is the best proof of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted August 15, 2019 #240 Share Posted August 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Habitat said: Actually, I know you are wrong, but I am not mystified why you'd think otherwise. And I don't think the so-called paranormal is at all natural, in any sense of the word that we normally use it, and the fact that it seems to seamlessly avoid being pinned down, is the best proof of that. This seems to be too hard a problem: "So please attempt to support the suggestion that "the supernatural are just natural things that we don't understand yet" because frankly I don't believe you can." It seems to be an easy claim for people to make but then they can't provide even one example. The idea that vague and poor stories making it difficult to pin down what it is people are rambling on about is not proof. It is not even evidence. It is a statement about the dismal quality of whatever has been done and what has been lumped together. Therefore, I know you are wrong. Here is what I originally stated: Quote The idea of assigning unknowns to the supernatural ended a long time ago. Please name anything that is unknown today that meets this suggestion: "the supernatural are just natural things that we don't understand yet" There are plenty of unknowns to choose from, but I can't think of a single thing anyone has assigned to supernatural causes. Can you? Instead of a close minded statement you made, "Actually, I know you are wrong", why not try to support the original statement. So please attempt to support the suggestion that "the supernatural are just natural things that we don't understand yet" because frankly I don't believe you can. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 15, 2019 #241 Share Posted August 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, stereologist said: So please attempt to support the suggestion that "the supernatural are just natural things that we don't understand yet" because frankly I don't believe you can. Who said that ? Why do I have to support it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 16, 2019 #242 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The funny thing about these conversations, is that the nay-sayers are far more strident than those who say this stuff is real, which is clearly an indication that these people have a psychological investment to protect. I guess it is disconcerting if this stuff is real, because it opens up the possibility of a Matrix-type existence, where these intrusions into the mundane are controlled in such a way as to be defy capture. That is the real fear, I think, of an expanded reality, where our carefully cultivated view of how "reality" operates is rendered a subsidiary of something that cannot be assimilated by our normal mode of apprehension. Perhaps those who know it is real, are not sufficiently cognizant, or caring of the implications of it. But whatever the case, if you can't control it, what is the use of worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 16, 2019 #243 Share Posted August 16, 2019 It`s a problem I have- oracles, mediums, physics ,clairvoyance's ect ect ,do they all have a contact to another side, or is it just for making money money money https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune-telling. its what I suggest if they all claim to know, then why not everyone else or a human on this planet knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 16, 2019 #244 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Habitat said: The funny thing about these conversations, is that the nay-sayers are far more strident than those who say this stuff is real, which is clearly an indication that these people have a psychological investment to protect. I guess it is disconcerting if this stuff is real, because it opens up the possibility of a Matrix-type existence, where these intrusions into the mundane are controlled in such a way as to be defy capture. That is the real fear, I think, of an expanded reality, where our carefully cultivated view of how "reality" operates is rendered a subsidiary of something that cannot be assimilated by our normal mode of apprehension. Perhaps those who know it is real, are not sufficiently cognizant, or caring of the implications of it. But whatever the case, if you can't control it, what is the use of worrying. Crazy talk doesn't open up anything. You make ridiculous claims, posters tell you they are ridiculous. It's really that simple. Not sure why you think your bad behaviour is good reason to dismiss physics, that is the only really mystery regarding your nonsensical ramblings. You must have an enormous ego to think your crazy talk creates a single doubt for anyone but yourself. That's just pure self delusion. You never seem to acknowledge how your pursuit of trying to force your whacky ideas onto critical thinkers is that which is questionable. Extremely hypocritical how you rant and rave about that. Edited August 16, 2019 by psyche101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 16, 2019 #245 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: It`s a problem I have- oracles, mediums, physics ,clairvoyance's ect ect ,do they all have a contact to another side, or is it just for making money money money https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune-telling. its what I suggest if they all claim to know, then why not everyone else or a human on this planet knows? They don't it's a scam. You just don't want to believe that though do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 16, 2019 #246 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, psyche101 said: They don't it's a scam. You just don't want to believe that though do you? when it all can be just illusions?look about dreams? Edited August 16, 2019 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted August 16, 2019 #247 Share Posted August 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Habitat said: The funny thing about these conversations, is that the nay-sayers are far more strident than those who say this stuff is real, which is clearly an indication that these people have a psychological investment to protect. I guess it is disconcerting if this stuff is real, because it opens up the possibility of a Matrix-type existence, where these intrusions into the mundane are controlled in such a way as to be defy capture. That is the real fear, I think, of an expanded reality, where our carefully cultivated view of how "reality" operates is rendered a subsidiary of something that cannot be assimilated by our normal mode of apprehension. Perhaps those who know it is real, are not sufficiently cognizant, or caring of the implications of it. But whatever the case, if you can't control it, what is the use of worrying. I remember a long time ago I read a short story about a man who decided to leave town and when he got on the bus he fell asleep and then woke up in his bed at home with no memory of anything. No one would believe him because he was the only person in a video game and he had stepped outside the parameters of the game. He thought it was all real until he tried to leave town. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 16, 2019 #248 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, stereologist said: False. You do realize you are wrong again and much worse than anything you've posted before. There are no colors in the world. Colors are just the way animals can perceive various wavelengths that arrive at their eyes. Your physics seems to be so poor you probably don't realize that colors do not exist outside of our perception of the world, which is inside of our heads. Did you know not everyone can perceive blue even if their eyes have the proper color detection cells? it does to seem earth `s colors to us is heaven painted over hell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 16, 2019 #249 Share Posted August 16, 2019 16 hours ago, Habitat said: I didn't initiate the subject matter in the conservation that led to it. So? That doesnt change the fact that you are pushing an unevidenced belief based on a predetermined conclusion. Defaulting to the whacky. 16 hours ago, Habitat said: Depends which day you ask her Not me though. Your a troll. Pretty sure that sentiment is rather common in here. 16 hours ago, Habitat said: No, that there seemed nothing of substance that was worth losing a house that was at least $50k too cheap, for.. That's hypocritical isn't it. You're claims are not only unevidenced but refuted by physics, yet you continue that make an ass of yourself. You have never supported your claims and avoided discussion on them. You stand at a safe distance and throw rocks. Nobody respects that. You're no better but pretend you are. We see a lot of that from you. 16 hours ago, Habitat said: Wrong guess I'm sure you would like that to be the case, but obviously it's not. 16 hours ago, Habitat said: That they do, certainly exercises my mind. No they don't. That defies all logic and common sense. Things don't happen constantly with millions of witnesses without evidence. Just doesn't happen. Is being an evasive belligerent ass how you exercise your mind is it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 16, 2019 #250 Share Posted August 16, 2019 8 hours ago, papageorge1 said: My question would be what exactly would constitute proof? Photos happen. Videos happen. Amanous equipment captures happen. Physical phenomena happen. Multiple witnesses happen. Independent separate witnesses happen. Etcetera, etcetera There are no proofs on film video or still. There are some difficult to interpret shapes. That's not proof of anything more than photographic defects. Anecdotes repeating well ingrained superstitions are not proofs. That's regurgitating cultural aspects Repeatability, measurements unambiguous detailed captures and prediction is proof. You would know this if you were not so biased toward the whacky. Quote Proof is an inappropriate word here as of course you can always claim hoax or misinterpretation every single time. No there's not where instruments have taken clear measurements. Predictions and repeatability support claims leading to sound conclusions. Quote What it comes to is personal judgment. That's where you fail. And for many reasons. You are extremely biased towards belief and will dismiss any rational possibility over an irrational possibility. It seems to be your nature. You quite things like dimensions and string theory badly, we all know your taking Sci Fi ideas and pushing them as the actual sciences they were imagined out of. You clearly don't understand dimensions and your approach to string theory as as wildly incorrect as a Deepak Chopra quote. You post in religiously based/spiritual forums where mindless morons hail you are some sort of accomplished philosopher. That seems to have gone to your head. Quote Do I believe every single case is hoax or misinterpretation errors. By now I think the chance that every single case is hoax or misinterpretation has become so astronomically small to the point that I believe something is going on dramatically outside of current science's understanding beyond reasonable doubt. That's not a reasonable conclusion and you totally ignore the human condition and resulting human error. Its ridiculous to propose that millions of claims have resulted in no tangible proof at all. That just doesn't happen. James Randi still has his million dollar prize because the paranormal is a fail. Its all talk. I'm sure some poor lost souls believe this superstitious claptrap, so I doubt they are all hoaxes. A lot of people are sadly ignorant and can't think past cultural superstition. Which explains the paranormal quite adequately. Your conclusion is ignorant, biased and zealous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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