The Spiritual Heritage of the USA

[+Pettytalk]

27 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

And wasn't on all coinage and paper money until 1996 (per that same page.)  So it's got a heritage of ... 23 years, right?

E Pluribus Unum has a longer history and was the original tradition.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

All you get is one correction for the day.

[+Pettytalk]

12 hours ago, Kenemet said:

The real problem is that you expect someone to sit through two hours of video which will answer one point that you've made.  

Now, I might be mistaken, but I seriously doubt that you'll sit through two hours of university lecture (with notes and references) on ancient Egyptian history.  So if you would please simply list what you think is so important.

I'm not sure this man's "problem with the timeline of Egypt" is going to be accurate... because we have cross-sourced the Egyptian timeline with the timeline of other nations.

 

 

Well, given that today's Christians don't live "in obedience under God's Laws" I have a problem with the "no cause for wars" idea.  There are 613 laws in the Bible and Christians ignore almost all of them (only the most observant Jews and certain Muslim sects actually keep them.)  

But let's take a look at those laws that will change a nation from "deadly sin and going to fall into corruption" into "blessed.  In order to comply with God's laws, this nation would execute people who work on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14)

And would stone to death any teenager who swore at their parents and ran away (even if the parent was abusive) Deuteronomy 21:20-21

And mandate their church to constantly have a fire burning on the altar Leviticus 6:13 

And mandate the nation to perform twice daily burnt offerings: Numbers 28:3 

And pass laws saying that women having their periods are impure and pollute everything and that they must seclude themselves for seven days: Leviticus 15:19

And remove leavened bread from the house during certain times: Exodus 12:15

And all decisions/rules must be approved by the majority (not the House of Representatives... the majority of people) Exodus 23:2

And destroy all traces of other religions  Deuteronomy 12:2

And women have to marry their rapists Deuteronomy 22:29

No statues of human beings (goodbye presidential portraits) Exodus 20:4

People who make predictions that don't come true will be executed: Deuteronomy 18:20

Not wearing blended fabrics Deuteronomy 22:11

(all sorts of rules about slaves, indicating slavery is just fine)

... and so forth for 613 laws: http://gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

 

Now... nations that have kept those laws didn't prosper and were overthrown.  So I don't see how you can claim that nations that follow these Biblical laws will flourish and continue to flourish when the evidence of history shows that they haven't.

 

 

Repeating this isn't helping your cause.  If you have a point where you disagree, do take the time to discuss it.

 

Jesus came to amend all those, as you are referencing the Old Testament, as the Christians are to follow the New Covenant. For instance, "let he without sin cast the first stone."  and not: And would stone to death any teenager who swore at their parents and ran away (even if the parent was abusive) Deuteronomy 21:20-21.

Perhaps the Hebrews may be considered as violating the law, if they do not stone anyone requiring to be stoned. It's like our old slavery laws in the USA, which were then amended. You don't see anyone legally holding human slaves in Texas, do you?

[Jodie.Lynne]

Just gonna put this here.

Matthew 5

Quote

 

¹⁷ “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. ¹⁸ For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. ¹⁹ Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ²⁰ For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

https://www.biblica.com/bible/niv/matthew/5/

 

 

[Piney]

2 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

No doubt I will prompt more laughs and scorn for this, but all those things were meant to be built as they were, including the art, due to the Atlantis theme. The USA is really Atlantis, and those things are there to corroborate the story of Atlantis. It's no joke, the one and only God, everyone's God, wrote the story. All the details of the story are represented in the Americas initially, to then focalize on the first-born, the USA, and for which the whole "island" was named. For instance, the obelisk at the Washington monument represents the staged story origin, Egypt. A fitting monument to the first-born, Atlas.Washington being the first president of the first-born independent nation in the "island" of America(s) which officially became two when the Panama canal was cut at the isthmus.

Bit this is meat for an Atlantis thread, although it actually covers this subject too.

So where does the Native American genocide fit in? 

[Jodie.Lynne]

So now we are using the term 'island' to refer to continents? 

And by digging a really long ditch, we can sever a continent to make two "islands"?

[+Pettytalk]

10 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Just gonna put this here.

Matthew 5

 

That is in reference to the ten commandments. 

Matthew 5:

Eye for Eye

³⁸ “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’^{[a] 39} But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. ⁴⁰ And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. ⁴¹ If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. ⁴² Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

⁴³ “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor^[b] and hate your enemy.’ ⁴⁴ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, ⁴⁵ that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. ⁴⁶ If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? ⁴⁷ And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? ⁴⁸ Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

[+Pettytalk]

1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

So now we are using the term 'island' to refer to continents? 

And by digging a really long ditch, we can sever a continent to make two "islands"?

Technically, land surrounded by water on all sides is an island. Such was the case with the two Americas, with the canal dug at the Isthmus. But we also have a hint when the landmarks of ancient Athens (Attica) are described. The Peloponnese, technically became an island from having been a peninsula when the Corinth canal was dug nearly at the middle of the Isthmus.

Plato's Critias.

Concerning the country the Egyptian priests said what is not only probable but manifestly true, that the boundaries were in those days fixed by the Isthmus...

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Technically, land surrounded by water on all sides is an island. Such was the case with the two Americas, with the canal dug at the Isthmus. But we also have a hint when the landmarks of ancient Athens (Attica) are described. The Peloponnese, technically became an island from having been a peninsula when the Corinth canal was dug nearly at the middle of the Isthmus.

 

So tell us how the Native Genocide fits into this "theory?" 

I already deduced it from your picked Longfellow quotes about "The Great Spirit punishing the Red Man". 

So why don't you grow a set and tell us. 

[+Pettytalk]

31 minutes ago, Piney said:

So where does the Native American genocide fit in? 

It fits in with the law of the jungle, evolution, and with all the other historical genocides before. Man has been exterminating man since we can remember, regardless of race, color, religion, or any other differentiating characteristics. Will it ever stop?

Revelation 21:

…3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.” 5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”…

[cormac mac airt]

3 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

~SNIP~

 

Note that I did not expect you to be able to view the cause of concern in an inaccurate timeline whereas the world is expected to just except it as is ... what is presented will take a while to understand . I myself am still viewing it and researching it. Likewise it is not to be expected for me or any other person to just believe the old timeline when it is being challenged with archaeological proof. 

You've not shown evidence that there 'is' an inaccurate timeline. All you've shown are two videos by an historical revisionist who's attempting to force-fit a Jewish made up history onto actual history. 

It's being challenged by people who are unqualified in various scientific and historical disciplines but who are trying to force a narrative. 

cormac

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

It fits in with the law of the jungle, evolution, and with all the other historical genocides before. Man has been exterminating man since we can remember, regardless of race, color, religion, or any other differentiating characteristics. Will it ever stop?

Revelation 21:

…3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.” 5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”…

No, you claim "warrior-philosopher" and this Warrior Shaman is challenging you. Yet you run and hide.   

So if your idea is so important why are you only posting it on the UM and hiding your identity? Why aren't you "spreading your warning"? 

Even the Afro-centrists and Aryanists submit their ideas to academia and make videos. The numerous doomsayers here post all over the net. 

[Piney]

11 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Revelation 21:

…3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.” 5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”…

I love how you link Strongs yet quote the NIV (New Inaccurate Version).

You really need to buy yourself a Jerusalem Bible. 

[Jodie.Lynne]

24 minutes ago, Piney said:

So tell us how the Native Genocide fits into this "theory?" 

I guess it fits in with the old testament. Ya know, how a supreme being can create a promised land for his favorites, they just have to eradicate the current population first.

I mean, jeez, you don't expect god to work miracles, do ya? 

 

/snarcasm

[Jodie.Lynne]

19 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

You've not shown evidence that there 'is' an inaccurate timeline.

But Cormac, it MUST be inaccurate, because it contradicts the holy book of an itinerate tribe of wanderers, so all these pesky so-called 'facts' are just that olde devil Satan, up to his usual shenanigans. 

Remember: If the Bible says it's true, then it must so, because the bible said so. AND, we know the bible is true, because the bible tells us it is true.

(lather, rinse, repeat until it makes sense)

[cormac mac airt]

8 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

But Cormac, it MUST be inaccurate, because it contradicts the holy book of an itinerate tribe of wanderers goat and sheep herders, so all these pesky so-called 'facts' are just that olde devil Satan, up to his usual shenanigans. 

Remember: If the Bible says it's true, then it must so, because the bible said so. AND, we know the bible is true, because the bible tells us it is true.

(lather, rinse, repeat until it makes sense)

Well, if we're going to be accurate.

cormac

[Piney]

18 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

I guess it fits in with the old testament. Ya know, how a supreme being can create a promised land for his favorites, they just have to eradicate the current population first.

I mean, jeez, you don't expect god to work miracles, do ya? 

 

/snarcasm

@Pettytalk Just cited "Natural Law" which, if you think about it makes Biblical Law null and void. 

Contradicting himself as usual.....

[rashore]

14 minutes ago, Piney said:

@Pettytalk Just cited "Natural Law" which, if you think about it makes Biblical Law null and void. 

Contradicting himself as usual.....

I can't help myself, but whenever I see "Natural Law" I think about the University of Lawsonomy and it's encouragement to folks in SE Wi to "Study Natural Law".

For folks not of the area, it's this....

https://calvinistinternational.com/2013/06/17/study-natural-law/

https://www.wuwm.com/post/manlife-documentary-explores-lawsonomy-its-last-crusader

https://onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/lawson.html

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, joc said:

That has nothing to do with Freedom vs Tyranny...which is what my post was relating to

Let me repeat what you said (that I was responding to):  "Because the blind don't understand that the road of Socialism leads to the Capitol of Tyranny. "  I said Jesus was a socialist and gave examples of his support for socialism.  This ties into the theme of the spiritual heritage of the US, which if you accept it as being Christian also means that you cannot condemn socialism because it's an inherently Christian idea.  

[+Pettytalk]

35 minutes ago, Piney said:

No, you claim "warrior-philosopher" and this Warrior Shaman is challenging you. Yet you run and hide.   

So if your idea is so important why are you only posting it on the UM and hiding your identity? Why aren't you "spreading your warning"? 

Even the Afro-centrists and Aryanists submit their ideas to academia and make videos. The numerous doomsayers here post all over the net. 

That's your problem, you look at it as doom when you should look at it as liberation. Final liberation form all those cycles of birth and death, and all that comes with it. A new heaven and a new earth to live out another of God's infinite stories He writes for all us souls to star in. Eternity is a long, long, long time, and that's how we pass the time, if I may be allowed to use the term, time, which does not technically exist in our eternal existence.

And I would not call it spreading warnings. It may be for some, I guess.. And I'm not excluding myself, as far as the warning. But as I can see, if I'm sounding a warning, then it's obvious that no one is taking it as such, just nonsense, I'm told.

And I'm not hiding anything, because I'm just another John, as some would say in the world's oldest business. I'm not an academic, and have nothing tangible to submit to academia. All I have are strange feelings and strange ideas about Plato's writings, and even stranger ideas about God. But I did not know that anyone posting here had to post personal identification information, and pictures of oneself. However, if that was mandated here I would have no qualms about showing what I look like. Some of the things I think about and my feelings towards them it's already posted for anyone to see.

 

[+Pettytalk]

53 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

I guess it fits in with the old testament. Ya know, how a supreme being can create a promised land for his favorites, they just have to eradicate the current population first.

I mean, jeez, you don't expect god to work miracles, do ya? 

 

/snarcasm

Just considering the events of the last 200 years or so that God's chosen people had to put up with, it does not seem as they were His favorites, but rather otherwise. And so that old saying, "God works in mysterious ways."

[XenoFish]

Each day I am given a reminder of why I'm growing disinterested in this section. Everyone pulling at strings, trying to tug them one way while resisting the opposition. God this, god that, religion this, religion that. Bah, whatever. It's always someone's bias vs another's bias.

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

Jesus came to amend all those, as you are referencing the Old Testament, as the Christians are to follow the New Covenant. 

This is what we're told in church... but you notice that he and his followers kept the Sabbath (which is not mentioned in his teachings) and even after his death they continued clearly Jewish practices (Paul in Acts 21:26, for instance, takes a group into the temple and goes through purification rites, including offering of a sacrifice ("... until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.")

He doesn't give a list of what to keep and what to amend or discard... and early Christians were an offshoot sect of Judaism.  Hence we see early church leaders keeping to these laws (slavery, stoning, etc) and not tossing all of them out the minute they became Christian.  These laws are discarded much later.  A good example is what Christians call the "second commandment" (about graven images) -- Jewish commandments clearly (Exodus 20:20) clearly forbids images of living things for ornaments (so no jewelry depicting dolphins, for instance -- and Amish and Mennonites who follow these rules don't allow portraits or art of any living thing).  Jesus neither forbids these nor excuses these.

So did he come to amend that or did he come to support the abridged Christian 2nd commandment or the original Jewish practices about images?  Would he have condemned an artist sculpting a bust of Caesar or condemned it?  (reference for 613 laws, if you're interested: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm) 

 

Spiritual practices in America don't seem to do much about coveting (and it's not mentioned in the Constitution or other legal documents referring to the founding of the nation), though two (or one, depending on which Christian faith you follow) of the 10 Commandments devoted to "not coveting."  You'd think that for a nation founded on the 10 Commandments there'd be some laws about types of advertising based on coveting (since they had advertising back then in the founding years).

(for the curious, a table showing the breakdown of the commandments and which Christian sects lump which phrases together: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Numbering  ... in case you aren't aware, the original Bible did not have numbering and this "10 Commandments" was written as part of a single long document (no paragraphs, even) and they actually didn't get chapters and verses with numbers until the 1500's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible#Verses)

 

So there's a very good question about what Jesus came to amend.

[Tatetopa]

6 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

No doubt I will prompt more laughs and scorn for this, but all those things were meant to be built as they were, including the art, due to the Atlantis theme. The USA is really Atlantis, and those things are there to corroborate the story of Atlantis. It's no joke, the one and only God, everyone's God, wrote the story. All the details of the story are represented in the Americas initially, to then focalize on the first-born, the USA, and for which the whole "island" was named. For instance, the obelisk at the Washington monument represents the staged story origin, Egypt. A fitting monument to the first-born, Atlas.Washington being the first president of the first-born independent nation in the "island" of America(s) which officially became two when the Panama canal was cut at the isthmus.

Bit this is meat for an Atlantis thread, although it actually covers this subject too.

I am not going to ridicule this, but I wonder  at it.

Many independent nations rose and fell several thousand years before Europeans ever set foot on these continents.  Do they count for nothing in your timeline?  Are only Europeans the children of Atlantis?  This does not seem like a new idea but a very Victorian view of the world and Europe's central place in its history. 

[Tatetopa]

The Atlantis idea is really at odds with the "God chose America" idea it seems.  There is not much about Atlantis that is aligned with the Bible.

For us, creatures of the modern media era, was the concept of the ancient world history colored by movies like this?  Cool and stirring 3 minute intro for the young impressionable mind, but not accurate historically, or even a good way to make a sword.

The Wizard : Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of. And unto this, Conan, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can tell thee of his saga. Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!

 

 

[rashore]

2 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Each day I am given a reminder of why I'm growing disinterested in this section. Everyone pulling at strings, trying to tug them one way while resisting the opposition. God this, god that, religion this, religion that. Bah, whatever. It's always someone's bias vs another's bias.

Well it is the spirituality, religion, and beliefs section... folks are bound to discuss their various bias, gods, religions, and such in this section more than discussing other things. Usually that is. This thread has dipped more into historical/political kinds references than other threads sometimes get. There has been a lot of some of the forms of Christianity so far though, with a smattering of other faiths thrown in.