Piney Posted August 22, 2019 #26 Share Posted August 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: You know about it, no? What? That any Rabbinical scholar or Israeli shovel jockey will tell you the Exodus and all characters involved were made up? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2019 #27 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: What was that you said? "People should always care about facts. " Considering the "J" and "P" translations were considered to be such by completely different people/groups it's more likely that "Reuel" which would be linked with El was included to associate him with the god Yahweh as well. cormac Edited August 22, 2019 by cormac mac airt 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankenhunter Posted August 22, 2019 #28 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Jodie.Lynne said: This idiot scares the carp out of me! Well that's a good thing isn't it? Did you cook it after? Jus teasin, Jodie. He scares the carp out of me also. Lol 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #29 Share Posted August 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: Read what I quoted. This stuff is in YOUR holy book, look it up, the relevant chapters are there, and YOU tell ME what you think it means. You presented commentary in the second part of your quote and that is alright . I had to look for something because I don't have all the answers off the top of my head I have to search for them and verify that they are truthful. So you quoted something that lead me on a little search. I wanted to know more about what a Median Priest actually was and who God of the bible was to them. Do you know? I think I found out that they are from Abraham and so that is why they knew the God of Abraham. So, isn't it something how Moses winded up there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted August 22, 2019 #30 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: So you quoted something that lead me on a little search. Explain what you7 meant by "Egypt's inaccurate timeline". 6 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: I wanted to know more about what a Median Priest actually was and who God of the bible was to them. Do you know? Considering that there was no bible (Torah) for the Midianites, it would be difficult for them to know that, wouldn't it? Rather like asking what a Shaman of the people thought about Adam & Eve, when it wasn't relevant to them, yes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #31 Share Posted August 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Piney said: What? That any Rabbinical scholar or Israeli shovel jockey will tell you the Exodus and all characters involved were made up? Today secular and biblical experts acknowledge that “traditional” Egyptian chronology is a muddle. https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/radiocarbon-dating-shortens-the-timeline-for-ancient-egypt/ Egyptian history and the biblical record: a perfect match? https://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #32 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: Explain what you7 meant by "Egypt's inaccurate timeline". Considering that there was no bible (Torah) for the Midianites, it would be difficult for them to know that, wouldn't it? Rather like asking what a Shaman of the people thought about Adam & Eve, when it wasn't relevant to them, yes? I wanted to know more about what a Median Priest actually was and who God of the bible was to them. Do you know? I think I found out that they are from Abraham and so that is why they knew the God of Abraham. So, isn't it something how Moses winded up there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted August 22, 2019 #33 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Ellapennella said: Today secular and biblical experts acknowledge that “traditional” Egyptian chronology is a muddle. https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/radiocarbon-dating-shortens-the-timeline-for-ancient-egypt/ Egyptian history and the biblical record: a perfect match? https://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match Oh FFS. Answers in Genesis is your 'go to' source. Done with this crappe. Awaiting @Ellapennella 's responses in the other thread. I'm sure they will be as enlightening. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #34 Share Posted August 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: Considering that there was no bible (Torah) for the Midianites, it would be difficult for them to know that, wouldn't it? Rather like asking what a Shaman of the people thought about Adam & Eve, when it wasn't relevant to them, yes? The Medians were descendants of Abraham. Jethro was a Priest. I would consider that because he was a Priest and descendant of Abraham that he may have kept safe the teachings passed down from Abraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 22, 2019 #35 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: Today secular and biblical experts acknowledge that “traditional” Egyptian chronology is a muddle. https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/radiocarbon-dating-shortens-the-timeline-for-ancient-egypt/ Egyptian history and the biblical record: a perfect match? https://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match There's 2 sources that are scholarly....not I'll stick with Princeton and Oxford for my sources. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2019 #36 Share Posted August 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: You presented commentary in the second part of your quote and that is alright . I had to look for something because I don't have all the answers off the top of my head I have to search for them and verify that they are truthful. So you quoted something that lead me on a little search. I wanted to know more about what a Median Priest actually was and who God of the bible was to them. Do you know? I think I found out that they are from Abraham and so that is why they knew the God of Abraham. So, isn't it something how Moses winded up there? Except that you are using a Biblical genealogy to support that conclusion, which is pretty much assuming the conclusion. If they were from Abraham then they would have the exact understanding as Abraham, that being that Yahweh WAS the Creator. The problem is that evidence shows that originally Yahweh WAS NOT a Creator, he was a storm/mountain deity. EL was a Creator deity. The one thing that the Canaanites and Midianites DO have in common is that BOTH ARE SEMITIC. Textually EL is the older god. cormac 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #37 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: Oh FFS. Answers in Genesis is your 'go to' source. Done with this crappe. Awaiting @Ellapennella 's responses in the other thread. I'm sure they will be as enlightening. So , you're actually denying Egypt's inaccurate timeline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #38 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Piney said: There's 2 sources that are scholarly....not I'll stick with Princeton and Oxford for my sources. But the lead researcher in those links is from Oxford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2019 #39 Share Posted August 22, 2019 From answersingenesis: Quote Before the mid-twentieth century, Egyptologists came up with dates for Egyptian unification ranging from 5500 BC to 2000 BC. Since then, the average date assigned has been around 3100 BC.2 Dee’s study fits with this trend. If anyone believes that the current knowledge of Egyptian chronology is the bold portion above then they deserve to wallow in their ignorance. That information has been known FOR DECADES. Anything by David Rohl and the like show that "researchers" are NOT interested in the facts, they're interested in whatever BS validates their "theory". Actual radiometric studies have shown he's not got a leg to stand on. cormac 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 22, 2019 #40 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: But the lead researcher in those links is from Oxford. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 22, 2019 #41 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: But the lead researcher in those links is from Oxford. All I see is this guy https://abc.edu/about-abc/office-of-the-president/info.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #42 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Except that you are using a Biblical genealogy to support that conclusion, which is pretty much assuming the conclusion. If they were from Abraham then they would have the exact understanding as Abraham, that being that Yahweh WAS the Creator. The problem is that evidence shows that originally Yahweh WAS NOT a Creator, he was a storm/mountain deity. EL was a Creator deity. The one thing that the Canaanites and Midianites DO have in common is that BOTH ARE SEMITIC. Textually EL is the older god. cormac cormac There is truth and history in the bible, is why. Abraham was chosen by God and called out from all of that, I'm not in denial of the many pagan gods and idols and the lifestyle that Abraham knew was wrong. I know that El represents expressions of strength and mightiness , and El is utilized for many titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted August 22, 2019 Author #43 Share Posted August 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Piney said: All I see is this guy https://abc.edu/about-abc/office-of-the-president/info.php Dr Michael Dee, from the Research Laboratory for Archaeology at the University of Oxford, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2019 #44 Share Posted August 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: cormac There is truth and history in the bible, is why. Abraham was chosen by God and called out from all of that, I'm not in denial of the many pagan gods and idols and the lifestyle that Abraham knew was wrong. I know that El represents expressions of strength and mightiness , and El is utilized for many titles. There is SOME truth and history. Not all of the Bible is factually accurate. You however ignore the fact that Yahweh was a pagan god and not Hebrew to begin with, so again, you're assuming a conclusion based on using the Bible, and a few crackpots, to validate the Bible. Any titles utilizing "El" originate with the god EL. Ignoring this won't make it go away. cormac 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted August 22, 2019 #45 Share Posted August 22, 2019 All very interesting, but what I want to know is what do your sources say about who is truly the best star ship pilot in the universe: Han Solo or Hikaru Sulu? Is that in the bible somewhere? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 22, 2019 #46 Share Posted August 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: Dr Michael Dee, from the Research Laboratory for Archaeology at the University of Oxford, He's not a archaeologist though. Nor a Biblical scholar. Just a isotope dating specialist. https://www.rug.nl/staff/m.w.dee/cv?lang=en 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2019 #47 Share Posted August 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: All very interesting, but what I want to know is what do your sources say about who is truly the best star ship pilot in the universe: Han Solo or Hikaru Sulu? Is that in the bible somewhere? Sulu, hands down. cormac 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 22, 2019 #48 Share Posted August 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Sulu, hands down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2019 #49 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Piney said: The biggest thing that Han Solo did was complete the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, which is a measure of distance NOT time. Sulu piloted through a wormhole as well as through time. cormac 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted August 22, 2019 #50 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Ellapennella said: There is truth and history in the bible, is why. There is *some* truth to the events and history included in the Bible. There is also a bunch of impossible and unproven nonsense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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