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President Trump "I am the Chosen One"

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RavenHawk

Before passing more gun laws, shouldn't we look at all the existing gun laws an analyze which ones have worked and which ones have not?  Get rid of those that have not worked and keep those that have.

Back ground checks are fine, but how many shootings has that stopped?  Trying to register guns is futile.  We should look to licensing people to use guns.  Have people go through gun safety courses and yearly qual range in order to maintain a license.  It'll be that interaction that will spot troubled souls.

Red Flag laws are probably the most insidious ploy yet to take our guns.  Of course on the surface, it sounds reasonable.  But let's delve a bit further.  Who will it be that sets the definition of what mentally unstable is?  And who will determine how long is temporary is when confiscating someone's arms?  Then once that has been established, how easy will it be to expand the definition?  Will it be opened to include any threat out of anger?  Or eventually just possessing a picture of a gun will be enough?  You'd have to dispose of all of your history books and novels involving war, which is pretty much all of human history.  We'd have to erase history to stay off the list.  That seems like a dangerous presidence

In order for this society to survive, we must ensure that assault weapons remain plentiful and abundant in the homes and on the streets, if just to keep a government from running amok, hence the purpose of the 2A.

We need reasonable guns laws but that has become code of the Left to mean gun confiscation.  Gun laws should be written to serve the Citizenry and not the government.

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RavenHawk
42 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I feel bad for American companies that manufacture here in the US and get their raw materials from China.  Kinda sucks for the farmers too. But hey, capitalism could care less about patriotism or any given country. 

Only two words come to mind...Short Sighted.

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skliss
8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Red Flag laws are probably the most insidious ploy yet to take our guns.  Of course on the surface, it sounds reasonable.

My concern is also people using this as a revenge type thing. "My ex cheated, I'll report him and make his life miserable." Maybe there should be a penalty for false reporting added.

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Gromdor
8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Only two words come to mind...Short Sighted.

They have to be short sighted.  Immediate bankruptcy is a lot more pressing than China maybe buying their stuff 4 years down the road.  Perhaps if you ever start a business you will understand.

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Doc Socks Junior

When I looked up to the sky and jokingly said “I am the chosen one,” at a press conference two days ago, referring to taking on Trade with China, little did I realize that the media would claim that I had a “Messiah complex.” They knew I was kidding, being sarcastic, and just........having fun. I was smiling as I looked up and around. The MANY reporters with me were smiling also. They knew the TRUTH...And yet when I saw the reporting, CNN, MSNBC and other Fake News outlets covered it as serious news & me thinking of myself as the Messiah. No more trust!

 

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RavenHawk
36 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

They have to be short sighted.  Immediate bankruptcy is a lot more pressing than China maybe buying their stuff 4 years down the road.  Perhaps if you ever start a business you will understand.

I doubt that "immediate bankruptcy" is a concern of most businesses with a presence in China.  Most business startups aren't international from the start.  They usually service their local economy.

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10 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

When I looked up to the sky and jokingly said “I am the chosen one,” at a press conference two days ago, referring to taking on Trade with China, little did I realize that the media would claim that I had a “Messiah complex.” They knew I was kidding, being sarcastic, and just........having fun. I was smiling as I looked up and around. The MANY reporters with me were smiling also. They knew the TRUTH...And yet when I saw the reporting, CNN, MSNBC and other Fake News outlets covered it as serious news & me thinking of myself as the Messiah. No more trust!

Weird. He wasn't smiling on the video. Entire thing was deadpan.

He does know he's being recorded, right?

For what it's worth -- I thought he was just being playful, rather than seriously thinking he was the Messiah.

Either way -- probably didn't help that he retweeted a tweet claiming Israeli's view him like the King of Israel and the Second Coming of God earlier, I guess.

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Doc Socks Junior
26 minutes ago, Tiggs said:

Weird. He wasn't smiling on the video. Entire thing was deadpan.

He does know he's being recorded, right?

For what it's worth -- I thought he was just being playful, rather than seriously thinking he was the Messiah.

Either way -- probably didn't help that he retweeted a tweet claiming Israeli's view him like the King of Israel and the Second Coming of God earlier, I guess.

My feeling is that his knowledge and awareness fluctuates wildly on a minute-by-minute basis.

I wanted to provide Trump's words on the topic for the faithful to interpret.

I agree he was being playful.  Yet, predictably, people agree with his joke.  He is, after all, their Chosen One.

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Gromdor
58 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

I doubt that "immediate bankruptcy" is a concern of most businesses with a presence in China.  Most business startups aren't international from the start.  They usually service their local economy.

We are talking about farmers and the various local businesses that support them.  I'm not terribly worried.  You already paid for two bail outs for them.  I'm sure you won't mind the tax payers ponying up another fifteen billion for them. 

 

It's weird how all that corporate welfare is going to big liberal cities though.....  https://newfoodeconomy.org/market-facilitation-program-mfp-farmers-trade-war-bailout/

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RAyMO
43 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

It's weird how all that corporate welfare is going to big liberal cities though

Sounds like selective socialism.

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Tiggs
12 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

My feeling is that his knowledge and awareness fluctuates wildly on a minute-by-minute basis.

Maybe. He appears to have symptoms of aphasia -- garbled language -- which can be Alzheimer's related, but not always. I've had mild aphasia, all my life.

At his last physical, he self-requested a cognitive assessment, which he passed.

To be fair, that's "identify a camel, draw a clock, repeat three numbers backwards" type stuff -- but still.
 

12 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

I agree he was being playful.  Yet, predictably, people agree with his joke.  He is, after all, their Chosen One.

The seeming unwillingness of Trump's supporters to criticize almost anything he says or does, certainly has that feel about it.

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Desertrat56
17 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

His base believes he is chosen by TFSM. The people of the land, the common clay. You know.... Morons.

Man, I loved that movie. So ahead of its time.

I hate trying to guess what acronyms stand for.  What is TFSM?  I assume by your  third sentence it is a movie.

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Desertrat56
11 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

That is a very true statement, I totally agree.

An I don't even like the guy.

Me neither.  I didn't like him 3o years ago and I still don't like him.

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Gromdor
24 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I hate trying to guess what acronyms stand for.  What is TFSM?  I assume by your  third sentence it is a movie.

TFSM is The Flying Spaghetti Monster.  https://www.venganza.org/

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Desertrat56
2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

TFSM is The Flying Spaghetti Monster.  https://www.venganza.org/

Thank you.

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Razumov
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"is he serious?"

Serious boomer brain death.

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Hawken
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When I looked up to the sky and jokingly said “I am the chosen one,” at a press conference two days ago, referring to taking on Trade with China, little did I realize that the media would claim that I had a “Messiah complex.” They knew I was kidding, being sarcastic, and just having fun. I was smiling as I looked up and around. The MANY reporters with me were smiling also. They knew the TRUTH...And yet when I saw the reporting, CNN, MSNBC and other Fake News outlets covered it as serious news & me thinking of myself as the Messiah. No more trust!

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Golden Duck
9 hours ago, Gromdor said:

  My wife's company started distributing their Chinese-made GPS products from Israel instead of the US.  Skips the whole tariff war and other nonsense.  No real cost to us because we already had an office there and the engineering company that designs them is based there.  I would imagine other companies are doing similar measures.  That way we can continue business with the US and China without a financial hit.  I feel bad for American companies that manufacture here in the US and get their raw materials from China.  Kinda sucks for the farmers too. But hey, capitalism could care less about patriotism or any given country. 

Huh... under WTO ROO those commodities are still of Chinese origin.

Unless there's significant manufacturing or VA in Israel. 

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Gromdor
44 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Huh... under WTO ROO those commodities are still of Chinese origin.

Unless there's significant manufacturing or VA in Israel. 

Yup.  The products don't go to the US at all though.  It's for South America.  So basically instead of selling a Chinese product to an American company and paying a tariff, it is being sold to an Israeli company.  We don't actually sell anyone the GPS trackers, we sell the service of tracking their cargo for them.  To do that we have to buy the GPS trackers that the Chinese manufacture and the Israelis designed.  The US was only in the picture because it had a reliable mail/transportation system and because the wife lived here.  Her US company would retrieve/redistribute the used GPS trackers and purchase new ones.  And I won't lie, having a US company being the face of it all boosts the reputation a bit.  Some of the Arab customers wouldn't be too keen on having to deal with the Israeli company for instance and having an office in, say Uruguay, doesn't instill as much confidence in the overseas clients.

So to solve all the silliness, the Israeli company purchases and distributes it now while the wife's company gets to be the face of the operation.  (Which makes me glad.  Unloading a semi of GPS trackers at the house on my day off is not my idea of fun.) 

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RabidMongoose
19 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Before passing more gun laws, shouldn't we look at all the existing gun laws an analyze which ones have worked and which ones have not?  Get rid of those that have not worked and keep those that have.

Back ground checks are fine, but how many shootings has that stopped?  Trying to register guns is futile.  We should look to licensing people to use guns.  Have people go through gun safety courses and yearly qual range in order to maintain a license.  It'll be that interaction that will spot troubled souls.

Red Flag laws are probably the most insidious ploy yet to take our guns.  Of course on the surface, it sounds reasonable.  But let's delve a bit further.  Who will it be that sets the definition of what mentally unstable is?  And who will determine how long is temporary is when confiscating someone's arms?  Then once that has been established, how easy will it be to expand the definition?  Will it be opened to include any threat out of anger?  Or eventually just possessing a picture of a gun will be enough?  You'd have to dispose of all of your history books and novels involving war, which is pretty much all of human history.  We'd have to erase history to stay off the list.  That seems like a dangerous presidence

In order for this society to survive, we must ensure that assault weapons remain plentiful and abundant in the homes and on the streets, if just to keep a government from running amok, hence the purpose of the 2A.

We need reasonable guns laws but that has become code of the Left to mean gun confiscation.  Gun laws should be written to serve the Citizenry and not the government.

In the UK we have spree killers but they use swords. Why? Well near enough everything else is illegal or monitored.

The lesson to be taken away from that for the USA is that gun control will not stop spree killers. Nothing will, unless every form of killing people is made illegal. So instead of denying American people their freedoms it makes much more sense to tackle the underlying cause which is mental illness. How about anybody who wants to own a gun needing a certificate from their doctor saying they are free from personality disorder or severe mental illness?

That wont stop them all, but it will be one every couple of years then instead of one every other day.

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Gromdor
2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

In the UK we have spree killers but they use swords. Why? Well near enough everything else is illegal or monitored.

The lesson to be taken away from that for the USA is that gun control will not stop spree killers. Nothing will, unless every form of killing people is made illegal. So instead of denying American people their freedoms it makes much more sense to tackle the underlying cause which is mental illness. How about anybody who wants to own a gun needing a certificate from their doctor saying they are free from personality disorder or severe mental illness?

That wont stop them all, but it will be one every couple of years then instead of one every other day.

You know, that is exactly what the Democrats are pushing for in the Red Flag Law.  Unfortunately since the second amendment is a right, it means that all people are entitled to it- even the blind and insane.  So the NRA and gun rights activists are unyielding on the issue- because of slippery slope, a right is a right, yada, yada.

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Raptor Witness

The more try to imagine Trump as "The Chosen One," the more I'm left with more laughter in my belly than I can keep contained. 

Every time I think about it, including today.

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Golden Duck
12 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

In the UK we have spree killers but they use swords. Why? Well near enough everything else is illegal or monitored.

The lesson to be taken away from that for the USA is that gun control will not stop spree killers. Nothing will, unless every form of killing people is made illegal. So instead of denying American people their freedoms it makes much more sense to tackle the underlying cause which is mental illness. How about anybody who wants to own a gun needing a certificate from their doctor saying they are free from personality disorder or severe mental illness?

That wont stop them all, but it will be one every couple of years then instead of one every other day.

Did you have a sword wielding nut stroll into a mosque a kill 40 people in four minutes?

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Robotic Jew
On 8/24/2019 at 11:24 AM, RavenHawk said:

Before passing more gun laws, shouldn't we look at all the existing gun laws an analyze which ones have worked and which ones have not?  Get rid of those that have not worked and keep those that have.

Back ground checks are fine, but how many shootings has that stopped?  Trying to register guns is futile.  We should look to licensing people to use guns.  Have people go through gun safety courses and yearly qual range in order to maintain a license.  It'll be that interaction that will spot troubled souls.

Red Flag laws are probably the most insidious ploy yet to take our guns.  Of course on the surface, it sounds reasonable.  But let's delve a bit further.  Who will it be that sets the definition of what mentally unstable is?  And who will determine how long is temporary is when confiscating someone's arms?  Then once that has been established, how easy will it be to expand the definition?  Will it be opened to include any threat out of anger?  Or eventually just possessing a picture of a gun will be enough?  You'd have to dispose of all of your history books and novels involving war, which is pretty much all of human history.  We'd have to erase history to stay off the list.  That seems like a dangerous presidence

In order for this society to survive, we must ensure that assault weapons remain plentiful and abundant in the homes and on the streets, if just to keep a government from running amok, hence the purpose of the 2A.

We need reasonable guns laws but that has become code of the Left to mean gun confiscation.  Gun laws should be written to serve the Citizenry and not the government.

As many things as we disagree on I'm actually in agreement on the bolded.

Red flag laws aren't meant to take guns away from people. They're meant to increase the amount of people we are allowed to incarcerate for profit. We have private for profit prison systems now, I'd be willing to bet we would have "mental health facilities" of the same type very quickly if these things were introduced. The mentally ill are not the problem. As much as we'd all feel better that somebody would have to be crazy to take another person's life it just simply isn't true. 

I've also not heard anyone advocating for "gun confiscation" unless it was somebody trying to support not doing anything to keep their arsenal. 

And if the government wanted to run amok they would do it. A bunch of people with outdated and obsolete weaponry doesn't prevent the government from doing anything. That's just a pipe dream by usually blood thirsty second amendment "heroes".

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Farmer77
On 8/24/2019 at 12:24 PM, RavenHawk said:

We should look to licensing people to use guns.  Have people go through gun safety courses and yearly qual range in order to maintain a license.  It'll be that interaction that will spot troubled souls.

God damn Ravenhawk, I really like that idea.

 

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