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President Trump "I am the Chosen One"

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Farmer77
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16 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

And if the government wanted to run amok they would do it. A bunch of people with outdated and obsolete weaponry doesn't prevent the government from doing anything. That's just a pipe dream by usually blood thirsty second amendment "heroes".

While of course straight up combat with the US government would never work this is a huge nation and to have the means to be self sufficient in the wilds, including having the ability to defend from groups,  equates to having the means to remain free.

Think about it. If only 10% of the population decided to go off grid in response to a tyrannical government thats 40 million people in terrain that varies from arctic tundra to scorching deserts to suffocating swamps. Thats 40 million people who will eventually be left the hell alone if they utilize their environments correctly.

At a minimum thats hope for freedom and that is why I still want the second amendment to stand.

 

Now all of that said we have to fix some ****. I have no ****ing idea what but something has to change.  I actually do really like @RavenHawk's idea of training and annual requals

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Hankenhunter
On 8/24/2019 at 8:24 AM, RavenHawk said:

  Have people go through gun safety courses and yearly qual range in order to maintain a license.  It'll be that interaction that will spot troubled souls.

Well said. Careful though, that kind of talk will get you pilloried if the NRA, or UM's more excitable gun owners gets wind of it. 

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Captain Risky
On 8/25/2019 at 1:24 AM, RavenHawk said:

Before passing more gun laws, shouldn't we look at all the existing gun laws an analyze which ones have worked and which ones have not?  Get rid of those that have not worked and keep those that have.

Back ground checks are fine, but how many shootings has that stopped?  

Excellent point about background checks. How about adding a few new safety laws to complement law abiding gun owners right to own and carry, like psychology evaluations? 

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Tatetopa
On 8/24/2019 at 8:24 AM, RavenHawk said:

We should look to licensing people to use guns.  Have people go through gun safety courses and yearly qual range in order to maintain a license.  It'll be that interaction that will spot troubled souls.

It is a great idea, how do you get people to show up for the course?

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Tatetopa
17 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

While of course straight up combat with the US government would never work this is a huge nation and to have the means to be self sufficient in the wilds, including having the ability to defend from groups,

Is straight up combat likely, or are we seeing that frustration play out in mass shootings.  Far easier to surprise and decimate a lot of civilians going about their daily business than take on a hardened, trained and prepared force.  Far easier to decide Blacks or Jews or Moslems or Mexicans are the problem.

When you speak of defending yourself from groups, you are talking about starving civilians fending off other starving civilians.

Most of the land that is easy to live on is occupied and within a few miles of a road.  Being a Daniel Boone or a Davy Crockett or an Indian takes a lot of land. to range.  Few could hack it living as the Utes and Apaches have done.

This whole thing reminds me of the arguments for colonizing Mars because the earth is being screwed up.

The earth even it its present state and our government in its state are far easier to fix that rebuild something else after destruction.

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Tatetopa

I think we are slowly coming to the realization that what President Trump says is just the noise of the wind in the willows.   Lots of noise and a low volume of truth.  It must be funny for the Trump supporters to sit back and see us react.

The only thing comparable will be when some realize there is absolutely no truth in his noise about anything; even the part about loving people, loving America, and not caring about making money.

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On August 24, 2019 at 10:37 AM, RavenHawk said:

A storm is coming and if we hold our ground, things will be so much better on the other side.  But I think there are just too many on the Left that hate and this hate existed long before Trump

Trump has been like a drawing salve, pulling the poison of hate from the fiber of this country and exposing it to the sun.

The only places I hear about all this hate that "the Left" ..have...  Is from the mouths of extreme "right" wingers.  Most people seem clueless as to left, right, wrong , right

....your Trump salve statement is too ridiculous to counter.   Trump just says things.  He can't be taken seriously.

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Michelle
7 minutes ago, lightly said:

The only places I hear about all this hate that "the Left" ..have...  Is from the mouths of extreme "right" wingers.  Most people seem clueless as to left, right, wrong , right

....your Trump salve statement is too ridiculous to counter.   Trump just says things.  He can't be taken seriously.

When you hear about physical attacks from antifa on right wing news sites, all you have to do is check the local news of the city it happened in. That is, before you write it off as hysteria.

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Michelle
58 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I think we are slowly coming to the realization that what President Trump says is just the noise of the wind in the willows.   Lots of noise and a low volume of truth.  It must be funny for the Trump supporters to sit back and see us react.

They knew that all along. They are having a huge laugh watching heads explode. :P

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Golden Duck
14 minutes ago, lightly said:

The only places I hear about all this hate that "the Left" ..have...  Is from the mouths of extreme "right" wingers.  Most people seem clueless as to left, right, wrong , right

....your Trump salve statement is too ridiculous to counter.   Trump just says things.  He can't be taken seriously.

For giggles, try reading his posts in the voice of Optimus Prime.

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Tatetopa
1 hour ago, Michelle said:

They knew that all along. They are having a huge laugh watching heads explode. 

Fortunately, there is an easy cure.  Tune it out. Hard to get used to at first, you expect a leader to say important stuff, but it gets easier after a time. 

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Michelle
12 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Fortunately, there is an easy cure.  Tune it out. Hard to get used to at first, you expect a leader to say important stuff, but it gets easier after a time. 

I never know what he says on there until the media loses it. Twitter has created a whole new era. The "squad" is much more popular on it than they are among their own constituents.

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Farmer77
4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

When you speak of defending yourself from groups, you are talking about starving civilians fending off other starving civilians.

Possibly. Or starving civilians fending off more powerful groups who are violently getting their ends met. Hell even just accidentally stumbling onto someone elses property could cause all hell to break loose when there is no law to be trusted.

4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

This whole thing reminds me of the arguments for colonizing Mars because the earth is being screwed up.

The earth even it its present state and our government in its state are far easier to fix that rebuild something else after destruction.

I wholly recognize the absurdity of the argument in general.  In fact I think the ingraining of that thought process has probably been detrimental to my overall development as a human. However that said at this point I think of 2A as a parachute on a jetliner. It aint gonna be needed, and it probably wont work if it is, but at least theres a chance.

4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Most of the land that is easy to live on is occupied and within a few miles of a road.  Being a Daniel Boone or a Davy Crockett or an Indian takes a lot of land. to range.  Few could hack it living as the Utes and Apaches have done.

Some could though :yes:

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Tatetopa
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Some could though :yes:

Some could, but it would not be a revitalizing civil war.  It would be one that takes us apart and will require a long time to rebuild.

I get negative points for age and bad knees, I get some positive points for past experience.  I might make it, I might not.  If we survive, we will not flourish  Good if you got  a lifetime supply of ammunition, but still won't be easy.

 

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Gwynbleidd
7 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Excellent point about background checks. How about adding a few new safety laws to complement law abiding gun owners right to own and carry, like psychology evaluations? 

Personally Risky, I don't know how they've been getting by all these years without background and psych checks, don't you?  Maybe it's just because we're not used to living in a place where anyone could potentially whip out a gun on us in the main street.  Admittedly, it would probably be a lunatic, most likely not a gamer, probably has mental health issues and is having some sort of breakdown due to too much social media influence. I think psych evals should be a must.  If a person is worried they won't pass, maybe they're the type that shouldn't have a gun in the first place. ;) 

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Captain Risky
51 minutes ago, pixiii said:

Personally Risky, I don't know how they've been getting by all these years without background and psych checks, don't you?  Maybe it's just because we're not used to living in a place where anyone could potentially whip out a gun on us in the main street.  Admittedly, it would probably be a lunatic, most likely not a gamer, probably has mental health issues and is having some sort of breakdown due to too much social media influence. I think psych evals should be a must.  If a person is worried they won't pass, maybe they're the type that shouldn't have a gun in the first place. ;) 

Somehow I feel more has to be done but I can’t just provide an answer other than suggesting something different to get a better result than what they have already. They might not pull a gun on us in Australia but as in Melbourne and Sydney crazy is good at improvising. 

And it’s all types of crazy that’s the problem. I certainly don’t think banning guns outright is an answer. Where do you stand? Ban or heavily regulate?

 

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Gwynbleidd
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9 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Somehow I feel more has to be done but I can’t just provide an answer other than suggesting something different to get a better result than what they have already. They might not pull a gun on us in Australia but as in Melbourne and Sydney crazy is good at improvising. 

And it’s all types of crazy that’s the problem. I certainly don’t think banning guns outright is an answer. Where do you stand? Ban or heavily regulate?

 

Yeah you're not wrong about them improvising - makes me scared thinking of the cbd here, some of the crazies using their cars as weapons etc.  

But I like the way we've banned guns here, however, in the US, I'm not sure it would work.  Too many people have guns and I know I've seen a lot of people in these threads say you'd have to pry their gun from their dead hands to get it off them.  I can't imagine living in a country where I'd end up thinking that way.  Either it's because ppl in the US feel so strongly about their 2A rights or they live in perpetual fear that someone might attack them and they might have to use their weapon to defend themselves.  I think it's very hard for us to relate to be honest because we simply don't have that sort of society here.  

I don't begrudge them for wanting their weapons - I think it's part of their culture and so be it.  I just accept that and it doesn't affect me in the slightest anyway.  I do feel they need to tighten up the laws there, especially with the psych evals.  As I said, if someone is worried they'll fail the psych eval to get a gun, they probably a person that shouldn't have a gun in the first place.  It should weed out the weirdoes from the heroes. :P 

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Desertrat56
7 hours ago, pixiii said:

Personally Risky, I don't know how they've been getting by all these years without background and psych checks, don't you?  Maybe it's just because we're not used to living in a place where anyone could potentially whip out a gun on us in the main street.  Admittedly, it would probably be a lunatic, most likely not a gamer, probably has mental health issues and is having some sort of breakdown due to too much social media influence. I think psych evals should be a must.  If a person is worried they won't pass, maybe they're the type that shouldn't have a gun in the first place. ;) 

Well, we have a different "Big Brother" than you have.  We don't have "the Queen" to look to and our leaders are no longer leaders so there are a lot of reasons to have a gun and someone could be fine when they buy the gun, pass the tests that you suggest and a few years later something snaps and they still have that gun.  Proposing annual licensing is ridiculous and only  gives more profit to the people who perform the tests for the license, which is never going to be a tax, it will be a private company.  So I could see people thinking that is a good idea until it is implemented.

I know in the UK people are supposed to license their guns, but is it an annual license?  And what percentage of people "forget they had a gun in the attic that dad gave them"?  Guns a still available to criminals whether they are licensed or not so why punish the law abiding citizens, which is happening more and more when the money to do that could be put to cracking down on the criminals.

It is a different perspective, being Australian or British and being U.S. American.  The whole thing with our revolution included the british trying to disarm the colonists, so why after that would we let our government disarm us?  Only the mind numbed zombies would agree to that.  I am not saying British and Australians are zombies, I am saying we have a completely different experience.  We don't feel safe, our police and our government betray us every day.

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thing is those people are pretty normal, in everyday life , and would, no doubt, pass such test with flying colors,  only those who are seriously mental, would fail such test, but those are not the ones who'd go to a gun store and buy a gun legally. basically such test is worthless

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Captain Risky
17 hours ago, pixiii said:

Yeah you're not wrong about them improvising - makes me scared thinking of the cbd here, some of the crazies using their cars as weapons etc.  

But I like the way we've banned guns here, however, in the US, I'm not sure it would work.  Too many people have guns and I know I've seen a lot of people in these threads say you'd have to pry their gun from their dead hands to get it off them.  I can't imagine living in a country where I'd end up thinking that way.  Either it's because ppl in the US feel so strongly about their 2A rights or they live in perpetual fear that someone might attack them and they might have to use their weapon to defend themselves.  I think it's very hard for us to relate to be honest because we simply don't have that sort of society here.  

I don't begrudge them for wanting their weapons - I think it's part of their culture and so be it.  I just accept that and it doesn't affect me in the slightest anyway.  I do feel they need to tighten up the laws there, especially with the psych evals.  As I said, if someone is worried they'll fail the psych eval to get a gun, they probably a person that shouldn't have a gun in the first place.  It should weed out the weirdoes from the heroes. :P 

I don’t blame them for wanting to protect themselves too. Even if the threat is semi imaginary. :ph34r:

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Gwynbleidd
11 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

 We don't have "the Queen" to look to and our leaders are no longer leaders so there are a lot of reasons to have a gun and someone could be fine when they buy the gun, pass the tests that you suggest and a few years later something snaps and they still have that gun.  Proposing annual licensing is ridiculous and only  gives more profit to the people who perform the tests for the license, which is never going to be a tax, it will be a private company.  So I could see people thinking that is a good idea until it is implemented.

I know in the UK people are supposed to license their guns, but is it an annual license?  And what percentage of people "forget they had a gun in the attic that dad gave them"?  Guns a still available to criminals whether they are licensed or not so why punish the law abiding citizens, which is happening more and more when the money to do that could be put to cracking down on the criminals.

It is a different perspective, being Australian or British and being U.S. American.  The whole thing with our revolution included the british trying to disarm the colonists, so why after that would we let our government disarm us?  Only the mind numbed zombies would agree to that.  I am not saying British and Australians are zombies, I am saying we have a completely different experience.  We don't feel safe, our police and our government betray us every day.

Great post, thankyou @Desertrat56 I'm sure this resonates with a lot of fellow US citizens going through this right now.  It's getting worse as I'm sure we can all agree a lot of posts in the forum here are from people who are expressing they don't feel as safe due to a multitude of issues happening over there.  

I'm not a Monarchist in any way, in fact, I'd like Australia to be independent of the UK altogether.  Whether that will ever happen is another question.  I'm not sure about licensing sorry as I've never owned a gun.  I thought the psych evals would be a great idea, but your point is very valid and helps me to understand, yes it would be yet another cost and most likely a privatised company would be employed to take care of it.  This could lead to corruption down the track - well, even if it was the govt, same thing I guess?  Plus, what's stopping people from faked psych eval tests anyway. 

You guys are definitely not in a good place right now, but I really have no experience whatsoever in gun carrying, therefore can't offer any type of solution as I'm not living in that society.  

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aztek
15 minutes ago, pixiii said:

Great post, thankyou @Desertrat56 I'm sure this resonates with a lot of fellow US citizens going through this right now.  It's getting worse as I'm sure we can all agree a lot of posts in the forum here are from people who are expressing they don't feel as safe due to a multitude of issues happening over there.  

I'm not a Monarchist in any way, in fact, I'd like Australia to be independent of the UK altogether.  Whether that will ever happen is another question.  I'm not sure about licensing sorry as I've never owned a gun.  I thought the psych evals would be a great idea, but your point is very valid and helps me to understand, yes it would be yet another cost and most likely a privatised company would be employed to take care of it.  This could lead to corruption down the track - well, even if it was the govt, same thing I guess?  Plus, what's stopping people from faked psych eval tests anyway. 

You guys are definitely not in a good place right now, but I really have no experience whatsoever in gun carrying, therefore can't offer any type of solution as I'm not living in that society.  

it would actually be worst, much worst, just like everything gvmnt does,  they would have  one retired shrink with dementia, and god complex to do evaluation for entire state,  at his own pace, lol  

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Gwynbleidd
35 minutes ago, aztek said:

it would actually be worst, much worst, just like everything gvmnt does,  they would have  one retired shrink with dementia, and god complex to do evaluation for entire state,  at his own pace, lol  

Yeeeeeeea, so as good as psych evals might've sounded to me in theory....in practice there would be so many consequential issues that could occur, it'd be ridiculous.  Yes. Oh well, skip that idea then! :lol:  

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i would definitely ban a person from having guns for life, if caught torturing animals as a kid, those people often grow up and  graduate to torturing humans. it is not childish stupidity, it is how their brain is wired, it will never change.   i have heard of few such people change but only after they hurt people and paid the price, and i do not believe they really changed, more like adjusted to what society wants them to be, i have little doubts if you remove law and punishment aspect they will be back to torturing\hurting in no time.

if i catch my own kids do that , lets just say their life will be very different from that moment on, 

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Desertrat56
11 hours ago, pixiii said:

Great post, thankyou @Desertrat56 I'm sure this resonates with a lot of fellow US citizens going through this right now.  It's getting worse as I'm sure we can all agree a lot of posts in the forum here are from people who are expressing they don't feel as safe due to a multitude of issues happening over there.  

I'm not a Monarchist in any way, in fact, I'd like Australia to be independent of the UK altogether.  Whether that will ever happen is another question.  I'm not sure about licensing sorry as I've never owned a gun.  I thought the psych evals would be a great idea, but your point is very valid and helps me to understand, yes it would be yet another cost and most likely a privatised company would be employed to take care of it.  This could lead to corruption down the track - well, even if it was the govt, same thing I guess?  Plus, what's stopping people from faked psych eval tests anyway. 

You guys are definitely not in a good place right now, but I really have no experience whatsoever in gun carrying, therefore can't offer any type of solution as I'm not living in that society.  

Thank you.  I sometimes tend towards conspiracy and that is what I see with the gun laws.  We have very strict gun laws but they are not upheld consistently and there are a lot of loop holes.  Each state also has different gun laws on top of the federal gun laws.  Lately I have been seeing the conspiracies that get blamed on the government actually being perpetrated by big money.  If you ever want to know why a law got replaced, changed or enacted that inhibits every law abiding citizen in the name of "safety" follow the money, who profits, that is where the conspiracy is.  The "mythical 1%" wants more control of the "99%" whether that be in extermination, or enslavement.  But I think that is only part of it.  If you watch any network television you can see it is programming.  Mental Programming.  I noticed it in the 70's when I was a teenager and we only had 3 networks and PBS. 

When that crazy man shot at and missed President Reagan and hit Brady instead an attempt to take away our guns was made, very blatant attempt in the name of national security.  It stunk of manipulation and Brady was the collaterla damage.  The intention was never to kill President Reagan, he was the best puppet (until our beloved Trump) the owners had ever had.  The intention was to round up all the guns and make it illegal to have one.  That, of course, didn't work.  And other attempts have been made as well, none of them worked the way intended so we now have big media making a big deal over mass shootings.  We are all supposed to be in fear of anyone who owns a gun, the problem is that in most states, the majority of people own guns for a plethora of reasons. 

As for licensing, ok, but not like a drivers licenses that have to be renewed.  Yes training would be a good idea.  However it is could be become another bureaucratic monster, which we have too many of already.

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