Flat Earth and Tartaria

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, Crookshanks said:

yeah I think they said possibly photoshop or fake didn't they?  Trouble is with these sources.. they can all be fakes. 

Yes, they are all fakes except of the ones of tall people - who did exist.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/amazing-old-photos-of-giant-chinese-men-from-imperial-times_2004043.html

[Harte]

The Tartarians invented Tartar sauce, so if they were giants, they were certainly saucy ones.

Harte

[Emma_Acid]

5 minutes ago, Harte said:

The Tartarians invented Tartar sauce, so if they were giants, they were certainly saucy ones.

Harte

And as a Brit, I bow down to them as saucy saviors of fish n' chips dinners

[Piney]

44 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said:

Hmmm, actually, that last bit might not be true.

Yeah, there has been some "Viking denial" going on there for a while. 

1 hour ago, Crookshanks said:

yeah I think they said possibly photoshop or fake didn't they?  Trouble is with these sources.. they can all be fakes. 

Find me a North American giant skeleton that wasn't a fake. 

[Piney]

20 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Yes, they are all fakes except of the ones of tall people - who did exist.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/amazing-old-photos-of-giant-chinese-men-from-imperial-times_2004043.html

Pituitary giants were not healthy or long lived. 

[Emma_Acid]

8 minutes ago, Piney said:

Pituitary giants were not healthy or long lived. 

There's a reason most were pictured with walking sticks. For example, Robert Wadlow, the tallest person in recorded history at 2.7m (that's metres, folks) claimed to have very little feeling in his legs and feet, and had to use leg braces. Given the physics going on here, I'd love someone to show how a human being can grow to be 2 miles tall.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Emma_Acid

[Emma_Acid]

8 minutes ago, Piney said:

"Viking denial"

Good name for a heavy metal band

Edited August 25, 2019 by Emma_Acid

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, Crookshanks said:

I like to peruse youtube now and again and I came across a whole load of videos on Flat Earth and a place called Tartaria, which is now Russia apparently. What people are alleging is that the history of the world has been altered so that it looks like there was no such place or empire and that Tartaria never existed.  However there was, according to these videos, a large area of land in what is now Russia, and a huge part of North America which was populated by giants. These giants are Tartarians. They were said to be as tall as 2 and half miles high. Really?  They are also saying that Greco Roman architecture came from Tartaria and not from the Roman Empire as we are told in our history books.  If its true it turns everything on its head.  I don't know about the whole flat Earth thing though I mean... that would mean that the arctic and the antarctic might be the same land.  They are also saying that a mud flood buried half the buildings the Tartarians built and the reason a lot of them have huge doors and ceilings is because the people using them were much taller than us. I kind of thought the parts of the buildings underground were foundations and that they built big in order to be grandiose and show off a bit and over awe people.  What do you all think of it? 

In a word, hilarious.

2 1/2 miles high is about the height of the Grand Teton peak (shy by a few hundred feet, but close enough) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Teton ... where the air is thin enough to cause breathing problems for most people.  Something that high needs a huge amount of oxygen (if you're in a plane and you're 2 miles high, the cabin has to be pressurized. https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/flying-high-unpressurized/#.XWKys-hKhPY)

The Roman Colosseum is around 160 feet tall (and in comparison, this would be 160/(5280*2.5)  (the height of the Colosseum in feet divided by the number of feet in 2 1/2 miles, which means the Colosseum is 1.2% the height of these giants.  So to put it on our scale (1.2% the height of a 6 foot man) - puts it at around 3/4ths of an inch.  So (putting it into something you can find and see) the Colosseum with all its beautiful detail would be about the size of two Lego bricks stacked together.

The marvelous Parthenon (only 45 feet tall) would be around the height of one of the "flat, grassy" Lego bricks (not a regular brick, one of the thinner ones.)

So, you see, it's unlikely the giants went around building anything like that.

Now let's take it to the other side... suppose humans saw what the giants had built and decided to copy that.  Well, if a human is 6 feet tall and the Colosseum is 160 feet tall, that's 26 times as tall as a human.  So if a giant is 2 1/2 miles tall, the Giant Colosseum would be 65 miles tall.   The upper limit of Earth's atmosphere is around 4 miles.  So the Giant's Colosseum would have to extend 60 miles into outer space, where the temperatures are near absolute zero (-400 degrees Farenheit) while the side in the sunshine goes up to 250 degrees F.

By the way, we couldn't see things that stretched beyond our atmosphere (atmosphere blocks our view)... so how would mortal men know what the first floor of the Giant Colosseum looked like?

 

[Emma_Acid]

5 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

In a word, hilarious.

2 1/2 miles high is about the height of the Grand Teton peak (shy by a few hundred feet, but close enough) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Teton ... where the air is thin enough to cause breathing problems for most people. 

Not just that - the inverse cube law means that doubling the height of a human would quadruple its size and strength of the bones and tissues, but also quadrupling the stresses put on them, meaning they couldn't form in the way they do. Put simply - giants are physiologically impossible.

[Jodie.Lynne]

1 hour ago, Crookshanks said:

I like to entertain the possibility that what we think we know is just what we're told to believe. I mean.. just because what we reason to be the most likely, is the most likely doesn't mean that's exactly the way it was. 

Having an open mind, thinking for oneself,  and questioning what one is told is a good thing. To a point. But there are some things that we just don't have the tools to discover for ourselves, and need to rely on the specialists in the field to provide the answers.

If I told you water was wet, and that fire can burn you, you have the tools at hand (literally, right there at the end of your arms! ) to find out for yourself. When an expert in astronomy tell me that the nearest star to us is a little over 4 lightyears away, I rely on their knowledge, because the maths involved would cause me to have an aneurism.

I get the hint that you think there is some vast conspiracy to hide the 'truth', but I bet you cannot give a logical and valid reason for that belief.

It's like the flat-earthers who claim there is an immense, centuries spanning cover-up, but have no sane reason WHY such a 'cover up' is required. 

 

So tell us, @Crookshanks why you think 'giants walked among us'?

Oh, and a human growing to 2.5 MILES tall? Obviously, biology is not your major.

 

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Question: How much do the Zoo's elephants eat in a day?

Answer: The Zoo’s five African elephants eat between 100 and 400 pounds of food a day, depending on the elephant. The majority of that is hay – up to 300 pounds for Willy alone! – but they also eat produce and tree matter, or “browse.” Elephants are herbivores, feeding on grasses and leaves and using their powerful trunks to dig for roots or break off large tree branches.

https://www.clevelandzoosociety.org/Z/2017/09/05/ask-the-expert-how-much-do-elephants-eat

 

 

Now just try to imagine how much food a human being, at 2.5 MILES tall would need to eat. EVERY DAY!

[Crookshanks]

9 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Having an open mind, thinking for oneself,  and questioning what one is told is a good thing. To a point. But there are some things that we just don't have the tools to discover for ourselves, and need to rely on the specialists in the field to provide the answers.

If I told you water was wet, and that fire can burn you, you have the tools at hand (literally, right there at the end of your arms! ) to find out for yourself. When an expert in astronomy tell me that the nearest star to us is a little over 4 lightyears away, I rely on their knowledge, because the maths involved would cause me to have an aneurism.

I get the hint that you think there is some vast conspiracy to hide the 'truth', but I bet you cannot give a logical and valid reason for that belief.

It's like the flat-earthers who claim there is an immense, centuries spanning cover-up, but have no sane reason WHY such a 'cover up' is required. 

 

So tell us, @Crookshanks why you think 'giants walked among us'?

Oh, and a human growing to 2.5 MILES tall? Obviously, biology is not your major.

 

 

Now just try to imagine how much food a human being, at 2.5 MILES tall would need to eat. EVERY DAY!

I suppose that depends on whether or not they were human. I hardly think a creature that size could be described as human could it? 

[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, Crookshanks said:

I like to peruse youtube now and again and I came across a whole load of videos on Flat Earth and a place called Tartaria, which is now Russia apparently. What people are alleging is that the history of the world has been altered so that it looks like there was no such place or empire and that Tartaria never existed.  However there was, according to these videos, a large area of land in what is now Russia, and a huge part of North America which was populated by giants. These giants are Tartarians. They were said to be as tall as 2 and half miles high. Really?  They are also saying that Greco Roman architecture came from Tartaria and not from the Roman Empire as we are told in our history books.  If its true it turns everything on its head.  I don't know about the whole flat Earth thing though I mean... that would mean that the arctic and the antarctic might be the same land.  They are also saying that a mud flood buried half the buildings the Tartarians built and the reason a lot of them have huge doors and ceilings is because the people using them were much taller than us. I kind of thought the parts of the buildings underground were foundations and that they built big in order to be grandiose and show off a bit and over awe people.  What do you all think of it? 

Now let's examine the other part of the claim.

... if a 2 mile high person had a house...

So let's say you're six feet tall.  An average house like they had in ancient Greece was no more than 12 feet high (building from mud brick, which has limitations)... so by comparison, your Giant Houses would be 5 miles high.  A one-room house would be as long as it was high (say a 5x5 cube) ... and let's model a little village of 20 families and nothing else.  So your "village" would be 100 miles long and around 100 miles wide and 5 miles high if it was on a totally flat surface.

It takes (math) 50,000 cubic miles just to cover the village.  But in reality, you'd have more than 50,000 cubic miles being dumped because the mud comes from somewhere and doesn't just run to the edge of the village and stop.  So the actual "bury one village" mud flow could have been as great as 100,000 cubic miles of mud.

Still with me?

But if you're talking about Giant Civilization that humans copied that suddenly got buried.... you're talking about more dirt than exists on the face of the planet (a civilization) means they're living in cities which implies thousands of people plus agricultural areas (they gotta eat) and mining areas and workshop areas.)

The area of one ancient city-state (Thebes) was 317 square miles -- on the same scale a Giant City would be over 700,000 square miles (and that didn't count farmland for food.)  

The surface area of Earth's continents is 1,969,000 square miles (1,9700,000 is the figure I use) which means you could pack 281 of these Thebe-sized cities on the continents if you could place them on every single surface (no matter how badly suited) and didn't leave area for farmland.

 

...and we haven't gotten into how much food they'd need to eat (or how to produce it) and what happened to all the poop from all those giants.

 

This could, of course, be calculated but I hope you see that unless you wanted to do it for amusement that there's actually no point in continuing.

[Crookshanks]

26 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said:

Not just that - the inverse cube law means that doubling the height of a human would quadruple its size and strength of the bones and tissues, but also quadrupling the stresses put on them, meaning they couldn't form in the way they do. Put simply - giants are physiologically impossible.

Oh I don't know. Its not that I don't understand the science, just that in different times, different climates and so on many creatures grew to large sizes. 

[Jodie.Lynne]

11 minutes ago, Crookshanks said:

I suppose that depends on whether or not they were human. I hardly think a creature that size could be described as human could it? 

>sigh< If an elephant needs between 100-400 pounds of food a day, and it is not an impossibly freakish giant, just how much food would a 2.5 mile creature, need to survive?

Just to illustrate, the Blue Whale is thought to be the largest mammal that has ever existed.

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A blue whale eats up to 3,600 kg (8,000 lbs.) of krill each day for about 120 days. It is estimated to take 1,000 kg (2,200 lbs.) of food to fill a blue whale’s stomach.

Gray whales eat about 150,000 kg (340,000 lbs.) of food during a 130 to 140 day feeding period--a daily average intake of about 1,089 kg (2,400 lbs.). It is estimated to take 300 kg (660 lbs.) of food to fill a gray whale's stomach.

https://seaworld.org/animals/all-about/baleen-whales/diet/

 

What are you majoring in in school? 

 

As others have pointed out, there are several reasons why such a creature (just one, let alone a group of them! ) is physically impossible. Insufficient oxygen at that altitude, the effect of gravity on such a creature, the inverse cube law, etc.  Oh, but I forgot; YOU don't think that what you are being taught is the truth, do you?

Edited August 25, 2019 by Jodie.Lynne

[Crookshanks]

Well the climate and conditions in this time mean that no such hominid would survive.  However they might have survived at one point and although I agree 2.5 miles is clearly an exaggeration from the source where I found it, I can see that large sized humanoids may have at one time walked this Earth. To us they would have been huge, but maybe not that huge. I wasn't making any claims dear, just reiterating what I found and what people were saying. 

I never said I believed in this. However I do feel we may have been led to believe a certain version of history. Heaven only knows why, but you know the motives of the high and mighty might be completely out of our experience. 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Crookshanks

[toast]

14 minutes ago, Crookshanks said:

Its not that I don't understand the science

It is.

[Jodie.Lynne]

6 minutes ago, Crookshanks said:

However I do feel we may have been led to believe a certain version of history.

Really?

And how convenient that there is no rational reason for believing this, other than "the evil elite".

[Crookshanks]

Just now, toast said:

It is.

LOL. Don't be ridiculous young man. Everyone understands the science.  I just don't think you have the capacity to be open minded. Do you think the world was always like this?  I bet you do. I bet you think we always existed like this don't you?  Fair enough.. .no such thing as dinosaurs ever and ancient civilisations are a figment of the imagination ...right?

[Crookshanks]

Just now, Jodie.Lynne said:

Really?

And how convenient that there is no rational reason for believing this, other than "the evil elite".

I bet you don't even know what Elite means. 

[Phaeton80]

Id completely agree with the plausibility of history having played out differently than the version we are all supposed to believe as unequivocal truth. History is written by the victor, therefor it is subjective, thus not objective truth per definition.

The version described in the OP however, no.

[Crookshanks]

Ok guys I've had my fun. You're just going to gang up on the flat Earther Tartaria believer.. except I never said I was, I said what do you think of this?  Your attitudes are very childish.. don't worry I'm just bored, I work very hard. 

Take Care 

Have a good day kids.  

[Jodie.Lynne]

2 minutes ago, Crookshanks said:

Ok guys I've had my fun. You're just going to gang up on the flat Earther Tartaria believer.. except I never said I was, I said what do you think of this?  Your attitudes are very childish.. don't worry I'm just bored, I work very hard. 

Take Care 

Have a good day kids.  

Oh sparky, you asked what people thought of your stated theory. You were told what people thought of it, and now you scamper away.

 

You go on with your bad self, bless your heart.

[Emma_Acid]

9 minutes ago, Crookshanks said:

Ok guys I've had my fun. You're just going to gang up on the flat Earther Tartaria believer.. except I never said I was, I said what do you think of this?  Your attitudes are very childish.. don't worry I'm just bored, I work very hard. 

Take Care 

Have a good day kids.  

Don't bring something if you can't defend it. UM 101.

[Emma_Acid]

35 minutes ago, Crookshanks said:

Oh I don't know. Its not that I don't understand the science, just that in different times, different climates and so on many creatures grew to large sizes. 

One of the reasons creatures were larger in early-prehistoric times was due to the different levels in the atmosphere. 

This doesn't support the "giants built Paris" hypothesis or whatever it is

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, Crookshanks said:

It definately said 2.5 miles. 

Greetings Crookshanks and welcome.

No history student am I, but consider a few common sense trials. 

How tall is a giraffe 14 feet?  A sauropod, maybe 25 feet?   The tallest of trees, 375 ft?

All of them have adaptations designed to combat gravity.  Raising water to the crown or pumping blood to the brain are not easy when you are tall.  Animals and trees have their own special adaptations to accomplish this.

Consider the problem with pumping blood to a brain 2.5 miles high.  Knowing the density of water, you can calculate that there would be a difference of over 5000 psi between the toes and the brain.  Wherever you locate the heart in that body, it has to overcome several thousand pounds of hydraulic pressure just to circulate blood.   Even with today's technology, to achieve any volume at that pressure would take a heckova pump and very high pressure lines.

Consider the energy that would take.  You might have come across the physics definition  of work in high school, work=force *distance.  Energy is the ability to do work.  Just think about the energy required to pump all of that blood that far.  Without the math, lets just say a crapton of calories.  A being that size needs to produce a lot of energy.  Digesting animal or vegetable substance would take a lot of volume.  Photosynthesis would take a lot of surface area.  You could do all of that math if you wanted.  Nuclear power?

Consider nerve impulses.  The fastest travel at around 350 feet per second.  Getting a message through a 2.5 mile body would take what,30 seconds or there abouts?  Not what one would consider quick reflexes.

Enough to tell you that no animal or plant based on earth life and tissue limitations could reach 2.5 miles in height.

 

As for underground doors and windows on buildings, google Seattle underground city tours.  Cities built on coastal sediments sink.  Streets get raised, lower levels become basements.

The  human habit everywhere through a lot of history was to chunk everything out the window into the street.  Street level rises.  As buildings age and crumble, they get flattened enough to build a new one on top.