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Insight or Evidence

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, Will Due said:

How much do you think legends and myths invoke insight?

Percentage wise I wouldn't hazard a guess but legends would require more insight than myths, unless one is looking for insight into WHY someone believes said myths. 

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Will Due
1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

Percentage wise I wouldn't hazard a guess but legends would require more insight than myths, unless one is looking for insight into WHY someone believes said myths. 

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Well, maybe that's what a pilgrimage is for.

 

 

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cormac mac airt
4 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Well, maybe that's what a pilgrimage is for.

Doubtful as pilgrimages are pretty much performed by those WHO ALREADY believe. Nobody is looking to analyze the "why". 

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Will Due
2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Doubtful as pilgrimages are pretty much performed by those WHO ALREADY believe. Nobody is looking to analyze the "why". 

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Why someone believes? Well if you're interested, for me it started with the gumption of 'why not'.

 

 

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Habitat

Legends and myths are external representations of that for which a template already exists, in the mind. There is no tabula rasa

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17 minutes ago, Will Due said:

How much do you think legends and myths invoke insight?

It depends on what your doing. Thinking the sun is a god or your going to get punished for a harmless action is not a good insight. Looking for a place where your ancestors lived or why they did something is a good one. 

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, Will Due said:

Why someone believes? Well if you're interested, for me it started with the gumption of 'why not'.

Which is fine until someone runs into verifiable evidence that shows "why" something isn't true, but refuses to accept it because their belief somehow trumps reality. It doesn't. 

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1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

Which is fine until someone runs into verifiable evidence that shows "why" something isn't true, but refuses to accept it because their belief somehow trumps reality. It doesn't. 

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There is another side to that coin. Those who insist something cannot be, because there is no evidence available to them. That isn't realism, that is "belief". And those same people decry mere "belief". 

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, Habitat said:

There is another side to that coin. Those who insist something cannot be, because there is no evidence available to them. That isn't realism, that is "belief". And those same people decry mere "belief". 

And yet you've never seen me claim that "a god" cannot exist, but that the Judeo-Christian God doesn't exist, as it is just a merging of two very distinct and 'human" deities with all the commensurate flaws therein entailed. The one thing that I, and science, have said consistently is that a god IS NOT REQUIRED for Creation to have occurred. Which means for me your argument falls on deaf ears. 

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joc
6 minutes ago, Habitat said:

There is another side to that coin. Those who insist something cannot be, because there is no evidence available to them. That isn't realism, that is "belief". And those same people decry mere "belief". 

What of those who insist something cannot be because of the evidence available to them?  

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, joc said:

What of those who insist something cannot be because of the evidence available to them?  

He's fighting for the "all opinions are equal" argument. They aren't and never were. 

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Habitat
1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

one thing that I, and science, have said consistently is that a god IS NOT REQUIRED for Creation to have occurred.

Not sure why you imagined that comment was focussed on you, but the idea that "science" is involved in making the judgement implied above, is nonsense.

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Farmer77

There can be no insight without evidence. Without evidence "insight" is simply being led by base emotions.

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2 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Insight or Evidence

 

Like with so many other things, there exists a contradiction in terms between Insight and Evidence.

 

Evidence often hinders a person's inclination towards spiritual exploration; while Insight excersises a person's nature towards spiritual discovery and growth.

 

Which of the two is preferable?

 

 

Both are preferable.  Balance is everything up in this shindig.  

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, Habitat said:

Not sure why you imagined that comment was focussed on you, but the idea that "science" is involved in making the judgement implied above, is nonsense.

Not sure why you'd p*** and moan about it if it wasn't. 

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cormac mac airt
2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

There can be no insight without evidence. Without evidence "insight" is simply being led by base emotions.

Which is a recipe for bad conclusions IMO. 

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Habitat
1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

Not sure why you'd p*** and moan about it if it wasn't. 

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Team Tetchy

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Habitat
8 minutes ago, joc said:

What of those who insist something cannot be because of the evidence available to them?  

Give me an example joc.

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cormac mac airt
Just now, Habitat said:

Team Tetchy

:sleepy:  SSDD, yeah I get it. Moving on.

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Will Due
Just now, cormac mac airt said:

Which is a recipe for bad conclusions IMO. 

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But not if the emotion incites insight into what's real.

 

 

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cormac mac airt
1 minute ago, Will Due said:

But not if the emotion incites insight into what's real.

Then it can be verified, FOR EVERYONE. Otherwise it's personal interpretation/confirmation bias at best. 

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joc
2 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Give me an example joc.

It's a rhetorical question.  Not taking your bait. 

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Jodie.Lynne
2 hours ago, Will Due said:

Like with so many other things, there exists a contradiction in terms between Insight and Evidence.

Why are special considerations and factors only applied to spiritual matters? 

Suppose an investigator has evidence that a certain person committed a crime, and also has insight as to WHY they committed the crime. Does one condition (insight) negate the other condition (evidence)?

 

It always amazes me how theists can create special cases for beliefs, that do not apply to any other situation or condition.

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joc
3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

But not if the emotion incites insight into what's real.

 

 

One can have insight into what is real.  But insight doesn't make it real.  It either is or it isn't.  Evidence then is the validation or invalidation of that insight.

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Habitat
3 minutes ago, joc said:

It's a rhetorical question.  Not taking your bait. 

Not bait joc, I'm just trying to understand what kind of thing you had in mind.

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