Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[bee]

1 hour ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Boris would win, Corbyn's Labour party are not fit to Govern.

 

bolded... perhaps that can only be said with certainty if he goes for a No Deal (clean break) Brexit and goes for
tactical agreement with the Brexit Party... ?

and already the Remainers are hell bent on passing a law in the next few days to take No Deal off the table...

what support he would get from the Brexit Party if he ran on a slightly changed WA. I don't know..
and the EU are saying they're not going to change anything...

what an absolute kerfuffle the whole thing is.... 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2019 by bee

[Setton]

2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

2 MINUTES ago you was snapping up a house because of someone else's misfortune, like a parasite. you make my skin itch.

Misfortune would be outside their control. As I said, IF I was as morally bankrupt as you, I'd be cheering for a no deal Brexit. 

I'm not. 

But if people are stupid enough to bring it on themselves, I'm not going to miss out on the opportunities it brings me. They chose this, not me. 

[Duke Wellington]

40 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

One difference Corbyn not Boris would happily hand the keys of No 10 to Putin.

Putin? Nah, he`d clone Lenin instead and give him the keys.

The youth of today who have been swept along by Corbyn worry me because they have no awareness of what the 1970s were like in Britain. I guess they like to think the UK under Corbyn would be a land of opportunity and social mobility.

The last-time the UK dabbled in his brand of socialism then the state sector was much larger (dont worry Corbyn wants to implement a re-nationalisation programme) and the unions were striking unless they were getting annual pay rises of like 15% for their members. The tax payers and private sector were hit hard, the state was becoming more and more insolvent, and things got so bad electricity was only on for a few hours each deal and people were having to do job share.

What socialists cannot grasp is that nothing is free in life, it is just redistributed from elsewhere. And when you start redistributing the wealth of middle and upper income earners then you create a race to the bottom along with hitting the source of job creation and innovation in a country the hardest.

I would much rather I lived in a state with 5 million dirt poor people rather than 40 million a little wealthier but still not middle class. No thanks to the race towards the bottom! Deport that Corbyn Communist to North Korea!

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

21 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Putin? Nah, he`d clone Lenin instead and give him the keys.

The youth of today who have been swept along by Corbyn worry me because they have no awareness of what the 1970s were like in Britain. I guess they like to think the UK under Corbyn would be a land of opportunity and social mobility.

The last-time the UK dabbled in his brand of socialism then the state sector was much larger (dont worry Corbyn wants to implement a re-nationalisation programme) and the unions were striking unless they were getting annual pay rises of like 15% for their members. The tax payers and private sector were hit hard, the state was becoming more and more insolvent, and things got so bad electricity was only on for a few hours each deal and people were having to do job share.

What socialists cannot grasp is that nothing is free in life, it is just redistributed from elsewhere. And when you start redistributing the wealth of middle and upper income earners then you create a race to the bottom along with hitting the source of job creation and innovation in a country the hardest.

I would much rather I lived in a state with 5 million dirt poor people rather than 40 million a little wealthier but still not middle class. No thanks to the race towards the bottom! Deport that Corbyn Communist to North Korea!

I grew up in the 70's and remember playing snakes and ladders by candle light with my mom.

[TigerBright19]

Why can't we just leave without a deal?  Politicians should be made of stronger stuff.  Imagine the difficulty if we lost the war.  Brexit supporters would be arrested for treason against the EU.

 

Alternate 1945

 

 

[Unusual Tournament]

58 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Putin? Nah, he`d clone Lenin instead and give him the keys.

I heard Putin is going to be the next guess columnist for the express newspaper. 

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

1 hour ago, Aaron2016 said:

Why can't we just leave without a deal?  Politicians should be made of stronger stuff.  Imagine the difficulty if we lost the war.  Brexit supporters would be arrested for treason against the EU.

 

Alternate 1945

 

 

Because the EU is a very big cash cow for some.

 

 

 

[stevewinn]

4 hours ago, Setton said:

Misfortune would be outside their control. As I said, IF I was as morally bankrupt as you, I'd be cheering for a no deal Brexit. 

I'm not. 

But if people are stupid enough to bring it on themselves, I'm not going to miss out on the opportunities it brings me. They chose this, not me. 

First you thought it was bad for house prices to become affordable. (Especially when 40% young people cant get in the ladder) after house prices went up by 178% over the last 15 years.

Then you where hoping some middle aged person loses their home. And you take advantage.

Morals you say.

[itsnotoutthere]

12 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

I grew up in the 70's and remember playing snakes and ladders by candle light with my mom.

And I remember the piles of rubbish in the streets because bin men went on strike for months. Without exception Labour have royaly ****ed up whenever they have been allowed to run things.

[itsnotoutthere]

16 hours ago, Setton said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/house-prices/no-deal-brexit-could-trigger-house-price-falls-20pc-2020-bag/

Maybe I can get behind this whole no deal thing. Looking forward to snapping up a nice house from some middle aged moron who voted themselves into poverty.

But isn't that the socialist dream.....that we are all equally as poor.

[hetrodoxly]

18 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

And I remember the piles of rubbish in the streets because bin men went on strike for months. Without exception Labour have royaly ****ed up whenever they have been allowed to run things.

Me to, inflation at 25%, electricity rationed, bodies not being buried, the country bankrupt, Labour government going cap in hand to the MFI begging for money, though that government wasn't as left-wing as Corbyn.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

On 9/2/2019 at 11:02 AM, Helen of Annoy said:

I believe you'll soon stop entertaining the bizarre idea of a benevolent dictator. Such animal does not exist.

I am romantic, dreamer  and i do have faith in idea but for such person to rise the foundations of society have to change first.

On 9/2/2019 at 11:02 AM, Helen of Annoy said:

Also, in a world much more complex than it was 500 years ago, no single man can keep up with every detail crucial for decision-making on state level, and every detail is crucial on that level. 

I agree but who did profit from this complexity? NGO's and lobbies because situation is that media pressure and public image is deciding factor behind a lot of political decisions. National priorities are often put behind those and there is no high authority, independent court which can simply stop such conduct and prosecute people who abuse power.

Honestly i do not know what is worse. By having shared power we might have, seemingly, better security but you know for whom? For the opposition. In dictatorship there is no opposition. That is largest difference.

And let's take top legal offices, state court. Even European court. There are many decisions made by those courts in defense of constitution but administrations have not implemented them because of lobbies etc.

That is crazy if you ask me and large shame of political systems when institutions which safeguard 'democracy' are marginalized by individual politicians or parties  Really, we are almost at crossroads when it comes to political systems.

On 9/2/2019 at 11:02 AM, Helen of Annoy said:

As for Britain, their own arrogance was their end. 

They kept being absorbed with their inner power fights, completely ignoring how it reflects on their international position. Because, hey, they're British, exceptional by birth. Of course the EU will beg them to stay... so they can keep ****ting on everything everyone else wants accomplished, because it benefits everyone. 

Yeah, exceptional they are... 

Not that the natural geopolitical processes can be stopped, but they managed to speed up those they were trying to avoid. 

I often think how Britain started to believe that it lost it's influence as separate body in world politics. Maybe by going out of EU there is sort of national pride thing, to grow the nation again to represent global player. By being in EU they are sort of placed lower than where they historically belong. 

It's really bad to see EU losing power, by the time my country applies to enter it will be dismantled. Bosnia is embodiment of bad luck.

 

[itsnotoutthere]

12 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

I heard Putin is going to be the next guess columnist for the express newspaper. 

No, not true, he's too busy editing the Guardian.

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Unusual Tournament]

37 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

No, not true, he's too busy editing the Guardian.

No no I’m sure he’s writing for the express and possibly Daily Mail. Egging on all little Englanders to commit economic hari kiri.

[itsnotoutthere]

14 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

No no I’m sure he’s writing for the express and possibly Daily Mail. Egging on all little Englanders to commit economic hari kiri.

No you're right, of course, Donald Tusk is guest editing the Guardian at the moment.

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Helen of Annoy]

50 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

 In dictatorship there is no opposition. That is largest difference.

And the key reason why no dictatorship should ever be allowed. Try remembering that there's greater chance for you, one literate man, to find yourself in an opposition than in favour of a totalitarian regime.

It could be your books that are burned. And only blatherings of another totalitarian turd who floated on top of another 'populist' movement allowed. 

 

50 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

And let's take top legal offices, state court. Even European court. There are many decisions made by those courts in defense of constitution but administrations have not implemented them because of lobbies etc.

That is crazy if you ask me and large shame of political systems when institutions which safeguard 'democracy' are marginalized by individual politicians or parties  Really, we are almost at crossroads when it comes to political systems.

You do not burn the house down just because we need better furniture. 

*holds chair in tentacles, ready to beat some sense into potential pyromaniacs* We need better chairs anyway. We do not need a house fire.  

 

50 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

I often think how Britain started to believe that it lost it's influence as separate body in world politics. Maybe by going out of EU there is sort of national pride thing, to grow the nation again to represent global player. By being in EU they are sort of placed lower than where they historically belong. 

It's really bad to see EU losing power, by the time my country applies to enter it will be dismantled. Bosnia is embodiment of bad luck.

 

In my opinion, it's precisely the opposite. The UK was given bizarrely privileged position within the EU, as one of the last remnants of their former influence. It's very interesting to watch their political arrogance dismantle them from the position that was allowing them to draw the benefits from the EU, which they saw as the proof of their own supremacy.   

The EU is not losing power. It's losing a chronic saboteur that was a member only to keep an insider eye on the EU and implode it as they see fit. Well, they assessed it's time to implode it. But it's not imploding. All right, Russians promised it will. But Russian attitude towards the EU is so immensely more complex than the UK alone. Believing everything happens for them, the UK reduced itself to a mere tool. 

By the time your country joins the EU, it will be a lot closer to a federation. Being so nostalgic, I think you'll like it  

 

Let's leave them enjoy their thread now. They see us as some form of talking cockroaches taking scandalous liberty of commenting their noble schemes and backstabbings. 

 

My god, what a wonderful time to be alive. 

[itsnotoutthere]

5 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

And the key reason why no dictatorship should ever be allowed. Try remembering that there's greater chance for you, one literate man, to find yourself in an opposition than in favour of a totalitarian regime.

It could be your books that are burned. And only blatherings of another totalitarian turd who floated on top of another 'populist' movement allowed. 

 

You do not burn the house down just because we need better furniture. 

*holds chair in tentacles, ready to beat some sense into potential pyromaniacs* We need better chairs anyway. We do not need a house fire.  

 

In my opinion, it's precisely the opposite. The UK was given bizarrely privileged position within the EU, as one of the last remnants of their former influence. It's very interesting to watch their political arrogance dismantle them from the position that was allowing them to draw the benefits from the EU, which they saw as the proof of their own supremacy.   

The EU is not losing power. It's losing a chronic saboteur that was a member only to keep an insider eye on the EU and implode it as they see fit. Well, they assessed it's time to implode it. But it's not imploding. All right, Russians promised it will. But Russian attitude towards the EU is so immensely more complex than the UK alone. Believing everything happens for them, the UK reduced itself to a mere tool. 

By the time your country joins the EU, it will be a lot closer to a federation. Being so nostalgic, I think you'll like it  

 

Let's leave them enjoy their thread now. They see us as some form of talking cockroaches taking scandalous liberty of commenting their noble schemes and backstabbings. 

 

My god, what a wonderful time to be alive. 

At last, now you're starting to see the problem..

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

27 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

No no I’m sure he’s writing for the express and possibly Daily Mail. Egging on all little Englanders to commit economic hari kiri.

You mean just like the other 182 countries NOT in the E.U.

[Unusual Tournament]

27 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

No you're right, of course, Donald Tusk is guest editing the Guardian at the moment.

 

Think about it. What better way to reassert Russian power than to break the EU and pull America and Europe apart? Isn't this what is happening? 

[Sir Smoke aLot]

1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said:

And the key reason why no dictatorship should ever be allowed. Try remembering that there's greater chance for you, one literate man, to find yourself in an opposition than in favour of a totalitarian regime.

It could be your books that are burned. And only blatherings of another totalitarian turd who floated on top of another 'populist' movement allowed. 

This is where we disagree as i find strict rules and control to be important factor for collective progress but your concern is real and justified, i won't argue with that.

3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

You do not burn the house down just because we need better furniture. 

*holds chair in tentacles, ready to beat some sense into potential pyromaniacs* We need better chairs anyway. We do not need a house fire.  

If and when the top authority in the system shows that it has no power over individual parts of that system - then we have a large problem. If such situation continues then we start to have crisis. It's absurd situation but the mere fact that it's possible to happen makes me wonder is it the system, as we know it, who has the authority in decision making at all?

There is a reason why Orwell and The Manchurian Candidate like works have grown in popularity, enormously.

8 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

In my opinion, it's precisely the opposite. The UK was given bizarrely privileged position within the EU, as one of the last remnants of their former influence. It's very interesting to watch their political arrogance dismantle them from the position that was allowing them to draw the benefits from the EU, which they saw as the proof of their own supremacy.   

Legacy of being on victorious side in world wars. And great sacrifice was behind it, alto everyone sacrificed a lot for freedom. Interesting thought however.

11 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

The EU is not losing power. It's losing a chronic saboteur that was a member only to keep an insider eye on the EU and implode it as they see fit. Well, they assessed it's time to implode it. But it's not imploding. All right, Russians promised it will. But Russian attitude towards the EU is so immensely more complex than the UK alone. Believing everything happens for them, the UK reduced itself to a mere tool. 

I hope that EU stays strong. World politics is changing with new players and ''federations'' in the making, that's big concern.

11 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

By the time your country joins the EU, it will be a lot closer to a federation. Being so nostalgic, I think you'll like it  

It will be perfect. I do hope for a day when Bosnia will enter EU and NATO, move which will finally end wars here. Security of future has no alternative and risk of EU losing influence and power is also endangering future of people in Balkans. When all ex-Yu countries enter the EU and find some good common goal we might finally put all those stupid and backwards animosities to where they belong.

16 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

My god, what a wonderful time to be alive. 

Sure it's interesting but the more i learn the more i feel love for farmers life in medieval times

[Helen of Annoy]

15 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

At last, now you're starting to see the problem..

It's not a problem for sane people who do not suffer from delusions of national grandeur. 

[itsnotoutthere]

2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Think about it. What better way to reassert Russian power than to break the EU and pull America and Europe apart? Isn't this what is happening? 

Think about it. What better way to screw up brexit & deny the British public their democratic freedom than to persuade gullible Guardian readers that some how Russia is behind Brexit. Isn't this what is happening.?

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

 

It will be perfect. I do hope for a day when Bosnia will enter EU and NATO, move which will finally end wars here. Security of future has no alternative and risk of EU losing influence and power is also endangering future of people in Balkans. When all ex-Yu countries enter the EU and find some good common goal we might finally put all those stupid and backwards animosities to where they belong.

Exactly! 

I'm waiting for you rather impatiently. But we must have patience. No outbursts, not so close to the best chance at peace and prosperity that we will have in foreseeable future.  

 

1 minute ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Sure it's interesting but the more i learn the more i feel love for farmers life in medieval times

Come on, we've got electricity now. Everything else is pretty medieval still   

[Sir Smoke aLot]

3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Come on, we've got electricity now. Everything else is pretty medieval still   

Reminds me of episode in Star Trek The Original Series. The crew visits planet, Earth like planet which has progressed to technology of 1990's but is ruled by Romans in Roman style  Fun episode. Among many fun scenes most entertaining was about political opposition which was placed in gladiator arena.

[itsnotoutthere]

3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It's not a problem for sane people who do not suffer from delusions of national grandeur. 

That's fine, if you're quite happy in a few years time for the German finance minister to be telling you how much more income tax you'll be paying, or how much more you''l have to pay for petrol to combat climate change, or how many more houses will be built in your village to accommodate the new migrants, or how much more your EU subsidies will increase to cover the cost of the UK leaving, or any number of things the EU will be able to dictate to your country once further political union is implemented.