Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[TigerBright19]

Any more news on the Brexit party?  Can those MEPs stand in a general election as well?  Out of curiosity if the government passes a bad Brexit deal, do the Brexit MEPs have the power to Veto that deal so that it is not accepted by Europe?  Do our MEPs have any power to block a bad deal?

 

 

[spud the mackem]

2 hours ago, bee said:

I have a plan..... 

if the public really wanted to show Parliament and MPs who was boss....( ie the people / voters...)

we could get rid of almost the lot of them at the next general election -

Leave camp could vote for the Brexit Party - Remain camp could vote for the Lib Dems...

and Hey Presto... a new chapter of British Politics .... 

voters have to get off the Lab / Con merry~go~round for that to happen though...  

 

That's just what Nigel (Brexit) Farage wants ,and I can see that in constituencies where people voted leave ,but their M.P. voted remain the M.P. will be looking for a job . Already we have M.P.'s jumping ship and going to other parties as they know the outcome .  

[RAyMO]

There will be an election just as soon as the rest of the house can be sure that Boris cannot employ any more dirty tricks.

Also if they decide to wait until after the 31 Oct then the opposition parties can clearly demonstrate that Boris was talking B/S during his leadership election.

On a side note I see his own brother is jumping ship. Tells you all you need to know about Boris.

Edited September 5, 2019 by RAyMO

[L.A.T.1961]

My observation of the day - If it was Boris's aim to stop a vote of no confidence in him before suspending parliament, and stop a resulting GE, then to turn around the opposition parties position, as his demands for an election appear to have done was a maser-stroke. 

It could be one of the best uses of reverse psychology ever deployed in politics.  

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Says the one supporting Johnson, whose tactics and goals we know the public do not support. 

'Says the one supporting Johnson, whose tactics and goals we know the BBC, Guardian & left wing liberals do not support'

There, fixed it for you.

[itsnotoutthere]

13 hours ago, stevewinn said:

General Election they shouted. Let the people decide. Then when a GE was offered the Remainers **** themselves.

 

 

We shouldn't be too surprised because,

1. They're all cr*pping themselves because they now know that the three 'usual suspect' parties will be 'ripped a new one' by the Brexit party (see EU election results)

2. Screwing over the british electorate is all Labour and the EU have been doing for the last 3 years. Labour have not been 'for the average working man' for at least 30 years.

Edited September 5, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[+OverSword]

5 hours ago, bee said:

 

I really don't see how another delay can be avoided as the Remain MPs are bringing the whole thing to deadlock (again)

waiting for the opportunity to force in a 2nd referendum ....

but we shall see....

 

That’s the rub here. After the referendum there should no remain MP’s. They are undermining your nation and it seems like half the English on this thread are completely oblivious to that fact. Worse, they applaud them.

Edited September 5, 2019 by OverSword

[itsnotoutthere]

21 minutes ago, OverSword said:

That’s the rub here. After the referendum there should no remain MP’s. They are undermining your nation and it seems like half the English on this thread are completely oblivious to that fact. Worse, they applaud them.

In reality it's less than half, but as we all know 'empty vessels make the most noise'

Basically, boiling it all down, for the last three years the vocal minority with the help of their friends in the media & parliament have been denying the will of the majority, pure & simple.

Edited September 5, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[+OverSword]

16 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

In reality it's less than half, but as we all know 'empty vessels make the most noise'

True, it’s in actuality more like three, one of which I seriously doubt is old enough to vote.

[hetrodoxly]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

A couple of pages ago we were hearing how a general election couldn't be used as a measure of public opinion on Brexit. 

Do please make your mind up. 

Not by me and we're in a different place now, a general election is as good as a referendum at this point in time, let the people speak you've been calling for it for ages here's your chance, what do you fear? 

[stevewinn]

4 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

You mean like the Tories proposing a no confidence vote in order to lose and force an election? Oh wait...

why wait for the Tories, - Labour had the chance to do this and **** themselves. they didn't want an election then and don't now, because they know they wont win. hence they bottled it.

Funny its let the people decide, second Ref was ruled out 3 times by MP's in Parliament, they then called for a GE let the people decide they shouted, when Theresa May was PM, Boris is PM, and when offered the chance they bottled it.

But then again the people decided in 2016. and the ruling class don't want to be told again.

 

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, hetrodoxly said:

Not by me and we're in a different place now, a general election is as good as a referendum at this point in time, let the people speak you've been calling for it for ages here's your chance, what do you fear? 

We all know the answer they fear Defeat, but make no mistake about it a GE is coming, inevitable, and we'll get a Tory party Majority without all the rebels who Boris as sacked. His opponents are trying to get him to resign as they dont want to face him in a GE, But Boris as pulled a master stroke, the bumbling fool as they portray him as only gone and cleared the decks in his own party so when they win the GE, it will be full steam ahead, Remainer legislation will be replaced, and Brexit achieved. this is the thing Brexit isnt going away, kick the can down the road, remoaners haven't got the bottle to repeal Article 50, in the same way they havent got it for a GE, 17.4million wait for their chance once again to give the establishment a good kicking for thinking they can ignore them at the ballot box.

After the next GE, Boris will have cleared the decks of his party. pushing on, while Labour will be replacing the leader, a three way in-fighting between momentum supporters, Blairites and tradition labour will split the party. we'll then be coasting. at the same time European leaders of old will be replaced, Merkel, Macron etc... and a New Anti-EU parties will continue to gain ground, by this time the UK will be over the horizon as the EU implodes, and when it does it wont be gradual, it'll be akin to the collapse of the Soviet Union. no-one seen it coming.

[Helen of Annoy]

20 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

as the EU implodes, and when it does it wont be gradual, it'll be akin to the collapse of the Soviet Union. no-one seen it coming.

You couldn't see the collapse of the USSR coming? That explains why you can't see the collapse of the UK coming. 

By the way, the possible but not probable collapse of the EU was indeed planned to be sudden, with numerous simultaneous -exits, but it turned out only you were naive enough to swallow that bait. 

[stevewinn]

23 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

You couldn't see the collapse of the USSR coming? That explains why you can't see the collapse of the UK coming. 

By the way, the possible but not probable collapse of the EU was indeed planned to be sudden, with numerous simultaneous -exits, but it turned out only you were naive enough to swallow that bait. 

I was eight.

[Setton]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

'Says the one supporting Johnson, whose tactics and goals we know the BBC, Guardian & left wing liberals do not support'

There, fixed it for you.

I literally posted the polls to prove it less than 24 hours ago. 

You're out of touch and losing. 

[Setton]

2 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

Not by me and we're in a different place now, a general election is as good as a referendum at this point in time, let the people speak you've been calling for it for ages here's your chance, what do you fear? 

Because so much has changed since the EU elections 

Fear? No sweetie, you're the ones who have been terrified for 3 years. Terrified the people won't support you if you let them choose (and deep down you know they won't). So you've spent 3 years desperately avoiding asking them. 

I don't support a General Election now because Johnson will use it to delay and stall so he doesn't have to eat his words and ask for an extension. 

If it's the people's opinion on Brexit you want, why not support a referendum? No one can argue that wouldn’t be a good indicator. 

What do you fear? 

Edited September 5, 2019 by Setton

[itsnotoutthere]

21 minutes ago, Setton said:

Because so much has changed since the EU elections 

Fear? No sweetie, you're the ones who have been terrified for 3 years. Terrified the people won't support you if you let them choose (and deep down you know they won't). So you've spent 3 years desperately avoiding asking them. 

I don't support a General Election now because Johnson will use it to delay and stall so he doesn't have to eat his words and ask for an extension. 

If it's the people's opinion on Brexit you want, why not support a referendum? No one can argue that wouldn’t be a good indicator. 

What do you fear? 

What's the point of another referendum? You lot have already proven you can't be trusted to abide by the result, you'll just keep asking for another until you get what you want, it's what the EU does, they have form.

Edited September 5, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

What's the point of another referendum? You lot have already proven you're untrustworthy to abide by the result, you'll just keep asking for another until you get the result you want, it's what the EU does, they have form.

Yes, spot on, the current MP's have shown themselves incapable and/or unwilling on delivering the current Referendum result.

Those MP's who call for a Referendum do so because they want to keep their bums on those Green benches in Parliament. unlike a General Election where they'd be out on the street.

No, what we need is a General Election so the people can show their gratitude.

 

[hetrodoxly]

32 minutes ago, Setton said:

Because so much has changed since the EU elections 

Fear? No sweetie, you're the ones who have been terrified for 3 years. Terrified the people won't support you if you let them choose (and deep down you know they won't). So you've spent 3 years desperately avoiding asking them. 

I don't support a General Election now because Johnson will use it to delay and stall so he doesn't have to eat his words and ask for an extension. 

If it's the people's opinion on Brexit you want, why not support a referendum? No one can argue that wouldn’t be a good indicator. 

What do you fear? 

Your just a bunch of cowards.

[Setton]

1 minute ago, hetrodoxly said:

Your just a bunch of cowards.

You're the ones daren't actually ask the people. 

[Helen of Annoy]

54 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

I was eight.

You were supposed to grow up a little in the meantime. 

Develop rational thinking skill and such.

  

Anyway, your country will be booted out of the EU on October 31st, without any deal. Unless a miracle in form of second referendum is produced, and since the will of the people cannot possibly change in 3 years, why are you worried? 

Why don't you Brexiters demand the second referendum, so you can prove how much more people is in favour of your political suicide now? 

[hetrodoxly]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

You're the ones daren't actually ask the people. 

You know a general election now is just as good as.

[stevewinn]

30 minutes ago, Setton said:

Because so much has changed since the EU elections 

Fear? No sweetie, you're the ones who have been terrified for 3 years. Terrified the people won't support you if you let them choose (and deep down you know they won't). So you've spent 3 years desperately avoiding asking them. 

I don't support a General Election now because Johnson will use it to delay and stall so he doesn't have to eat his words and ask for an extension. 

If it's the people's opinion on Brexit you want, why not support a referendum? No one can argue that wouldn’t be a good indicator. 

What do you fear? 

Surprise surprise the forums chief Democracy denier doesn't support a General Election. Why, because you know parliament will be purged of Remainer MP's as the people show their gratitude. the only ones showing fear is once again the remaniers, remainer MP's dont want to face a General election because they'll lose their jobs. unlike a Referendum where they get to keep their cushy Job with no consequence of being answerable to the people.

Remain MP's know there's a price to pay at the ballot box for their actions. Their running scared.

I've heard the feeble excuse on the NEWS channels. oh, we dont want an election now because we want to stop No deal Brexit first. - What complete rubbish. as they should know This Parliament may be able to bind this PM’s hands but it can’t bind the next Parliament, The obvious thing to do is to have the GE and if Boris gets a majority, just repeal the legislation anyway and that's why they don't want a GE.

Oh, and if our membership is extend to January 31st, as wanted by the Remainer MP's thats going to cost us another £3billion pounds. funny enough this is the same cost as the newly announced govt uplift spending on Schools. Boris should put that on the side of every bus in the country.

 

 

[itsnotoutthere]

26 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

You were supposed to grow up a little in the meantime. 

Develop rational thinking skill and such.

  

Anyway, your country will be booted out of the EU on October 31st, without any deal. Unless a miracle in form of second referendum is produced, and since the will of the people cannot possibly change in 3 years, why are you worried? 

Why don't you Brexiters demand the second referendum, so you can prove how much more people is in favour of your political suicide now? 

European elections 2019

 

 

Edited September 5, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Tatetopa]

On 9/4/2019 at 12:52 AM, hetrodoxly said:

Utter nonsense, it's companies that trade not countries, you already buy a lot from us why would it stop, if people want to buy our goods they will that doesn't mater if we're in the EU or not, out of the EU we 'will' decide what tariffs if any to put on our goods, i think your stuck with your dreadful cheese mountain as we have the best in the world it would be a one way flow.  

Companies trade with companies, but it is countries that negotiate trade agreements and levy tariffs.  Currently our president is very happy with you, the US ran a $19 billion trade surplus with Britain last year,  so of course we will continue to trade with you!

Do recall that the US had a slight surplus with Canada, yet because of lobbying from dairy farmers,  he pushed hard for Canada to lower protections on its own dairy industry.

That was before the tariffs and counter tariffs with China put a huge dent in American farm income and many farmers are faced with financial calamity.  Those farmers are a large part of what put President Trump in the White House.  They are very unhappy now with the loss of a major market.  To stand a chance of keeping a majority of their votes, he will have to help them find new markets.  That is where you come in.  Maybe we could get you to up your purchases by another $10 billion to make the farmers happy.

Countries also make health and safety regulations that affect trade.  Maybe your government needs to change its agricultural regulations to allow more American products in that may not comply with some of the EU standards.