Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.. Royal Assent. 

What happens if the Queen declines to give it assent ? Is there any precedent for this ? 

Yes 30'odd times its happened. Tony Blair Iraq war was the last time.

[L.A.T.1961]

Brussels apparently made a deal with remainers to OK a pre arranged extension of three months, so much for the need to agree this after an EU 27 meeting.

Looks like normal procedure is being ignored again in Brussels when it suits and more EU interference in domestic politics. Brussels is also negotiating with individuals who do not officially represent the UK.

 

MPs 'checked with EU chiefs over Brexit delay' before passing bill -

"Senior MPs opposing a no-deal Brexit sought assurances from the EU that their bid for a three-month delay would be granted, it has emerged."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/mps-checked-with-eu-chiefs-over-brexit-delay-before-passing-bill

 

[Duke Wellington]

28 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.. Royal Assent. 

What happens if the Queen declines to give it assent ? Is there any precedent for this ? 

I know, lets get the popcorn in.

[stevewinn]

9 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Brussels apparently made a deal with remainers to OK a pre arranged extension of three months, so much for the need to agree this after an EU 27 meeting.

Looks like normal procedure is being ignored again in Brussels when it suits and more EU interference in domestic politics. Brussels is also negotiating with individuals who do not officially represent the UK.

 

MPs 'checked with EU chiefs over Brexit delay' before passing bill -

"Senior MPs opposing a no-deal Brexit sought assurances from the EU that their bid for a three-month delay would be granted, it has emerged."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/mps-checked-with-eu-chiefs-over-brexit-delay-before-passing-bill

 

Philip Hammond let slip that the Hilary Benn Bill to seek a delay used the services of the EU.

MP's actively working with a foreign power agaisnt the British Govt & state.

Never mind getting Boris in court, i'd like to see a few others actions being questioned in court.

Why would the Queen refuse Her Prime Ministers advice to block the Bill, when its clear the bills proponents are working against Her Majesty's Govt.

 

 

 

 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

literally hey, maybe it will be passed maybe it wont, maybe it will apply maybe it wont.

Utterly deluded. It's moving from funny to just pitiful now. 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.. Royal Assent. 

What happens if the Queen declines to give it assent ? 

Then I will cancel my holiday flights. I'm sure a flying pig is quicker than easyjet. More room too. 

[Setton]

36 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Brussels apparently made a deal with remainers to OK a pre arranged extension of three months, so much for the need to agree this after an EU 27 meeting.

Looks like normal procedure is being ignored again in Brussels when it suits and more EU interference in domestic politics. Brussels is also negotiating with individuals who do not officially represent the UK.

 

MPs 'checked with EU chiefs over Brexit delay' before passing bill -

"Senior MPs opposing a no-deal Brexit sought assurances from the EU that their bid for a three-month delay would be granted, it has emerged."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/mps-checked-with-eu-chiefs-over-brexit-delay-before-passing-bill

 

You missed the part that they are our elected representatives then? 

They absolutely represent the UK. More than a PM without the support of Parliament, the country or even his own family. 

[L.A.T.1961]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

You missed the part that they are our elected representatives then? 

They absolutely represent the UK. More than a PM without the support of Parliament, the country or even his own family. 

I don't think so, only Boris, the brexit negotiators and other associated staff can talk UK policy with Brussels and they can only follow agreed guidelines. 

Priti Patel thought she could go to another country and make UK policy, she was quickly excommunicated from her Job. -

"Ms Patel had apologised to Theresa May on Monday after unauthorised meetings in August with Israeli politicians - including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu - came to light." - "Ms Patel was formally reprimanded in Downing Street on Monday, where she was asked to give details about a dozen meetings she had with Israeli officials while on holiday, which were not sanctioned by the Foreign Office."

Labour's - Mr Watson said he was "pleased" that Ms Patel had resigned as her undisclosed meetings were "a clear breach of the ministerial code, and of diplomatic protocol". 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41923007 

Edited September 7, 2019 by L.A.T.1961

[Setton]

52 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

I don't think so, only Boris, the brexit negotiators and other associated staff can talk UK policy with Brussels and they can only follow agreed guidelines. 

Priti Patel thought she could go to another country and make UK policy, she was quickly excommunicated from her Job. -

"Ms Patel had apologised to Theresa May on Monday after unauthorised meetings in August with Israeli politicians - including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu - came to light." - "Ms Patel was formally reprimanded in Downing Street on Monday, where she was asked to give details about a dozen meetings she had with Israeli officials while on holiday, which were not sanctioned by the Foreign Office."

Labour's - Mr Watson said he was "pleased" that Ms Patel had resigned as her undisclosed meetings were "a clear breach of the ministerial code, and of diplomatic protocol". 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41923007 

They weren't discussing UK policy though. They were sounding out the EUs position. If the EU wants to tell them, that's their choice. 

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, stevewinn said:

You raise a good point. the quietly glossed over fact that both John major and Gina Miller last week both looked like fools when they lost their court cases. The legal challenges have all been booted out of court so far I cannot see that changing.

And what the remoaners are asking for is for Boris not to do whats been done before by previous Prime Ministers And which was all legal by the way. Boris can simply follow suit, ignore, or veto. Test it in the courts we'd be out by then anyway a let's face it Blair never went to jail for Iraq and nor is Boris for delivering democracy. (worth remembering May didn't have to ask for an extension) 

One gets the feeling the remoaners bums are starting to twitch. 

Tick Tock. 

No steve the only fool is inflexible one gear Boris Johnson. Boris has painted himself into a corner. Why would any politician do so by staking his premiership on leaving on a certain date when he didn't have the numbers, especially when he'd rather remove MP's and potential party allies for his the 31 October leave date instead of compromise with them. 

Have no illusions Labour and the remainers are in charge of the UK. Boris is just a useful tool to galvanise support for the EU. The more he cry's for an election to get outta the trap the more they will deny him. Boris and leave will look foolish and ineffective and the public will lose faith in No-Deal. But it doesn't end there either... after the 31st has come and gone, new elections and an extension will lay the ground work for a NEW referendum. and it will be done with the blessing of the EU.  

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

5 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

No steve the only fool is inflexible one gear Boris Johnson. Boris has painted himself into a corner. Why would any politician do so by staking his premiership on leaving on a certain date when he didn't have the numbers, especially when he'd rather remove MP's and potential party allies for his the 31 October leave date instead of compromise with them. 

Have no illusions Labour and the remainers are in charge of the UK. Boris is just a useful tool to galvanise support for the EU. The more he cry's for an election to get outta the trap the more they will deny him. Boris and leave will look foolish and ineffective and the public will lose faith in No-Deal. But it doesn't end there either... after the 31st has come and gone, new elections and an extension will lay the ground work for a NEW referendum. and it will be done with the blessing of the EU.  

No one is in charge of the UK at the moment, but Boris is most in charge.

What use is a new referendum? We have already seen if it doesnt produce the desired result then that result will be ignored.

[Unusual Tournament]

10 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

No one is in charge of the UK at the moment, but Boris is most in charge.

What use is a new referendum? We have already seen if it doesnt produce the desired result then that result will be ignored.

Most in charge? thats funny. Boris is way above his station. The dude was/is never PM material. His own brother quit government that should tell you exactly whats going on behind the scenes. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Captain Risky

[Unusual Tournament]

No Deal is dead!

[Unusual Tournament]

Poor @stevewinn he's all alone out there in the cold putting up 'Get ready for Brexit" signs. LOL

[Eldorado]

Rats leaving the sinking ship...

Amber Rudd: Work and pensions secretary resigns and quits Tories.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/amber-rudd-work-and-pensions-secretary-resigns-and-quits-tories-as-boris-johnsons-government-plunged-into-further-chaos/ar-AAGXaqv?li=BBoPWjQ

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Rats leaving the sinking ship...

Amber Rudd: Work and pensions secretary resigns and quits Tories.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/amber-rudd-work-and-pensions-secretary-resigns-and-quits-tories-as-boris-johnsons-government-plunged-into-further-chaos/ar-AAGXaqv?li=BBoPWjQ

Of course they're leaving the ship.Could you imagine your own party leader being outsmarted by Corbyn and a bunch of ex-politicians? 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Captain Risky

[RAyMO]

13 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Rats leaving the sinking ship...

Amber Rudd: Work and pensions secretary resigns and quits Tories.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/amber-rudd-work-and-pensions-secretary-resigns-and-quits-tories-as-boris-johnsons-government-plunged-into-further-chaos/ar-AAGXaqv?li=BBoPWjQ

Rudd's letter very telling, from a position inside of government she does not believe the Govt is trying for a deal, despite Boris' protestations to the contrary.

last one out switch of the lights.

Edited September 7, 2019 by RAyMO

[Setton]

59 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

No one is in charge of the UK at the moment, but Boris is most in charge.

The guy who can't introduce legislation and can't win a single vote in Parliament? That Boris? 

Oh you make me laugh. 

[TigerBright19]

What happens now?

- October 31st - Extension granted

- November General Election

- Tory coalition with DUP and Farage Brexit Party

- January 31st - Brexit Deadline expires

- UK leaves without a deal

- Life returns to normal again, but with more independent control and responsibility.

 

[+OverSword]

13 hours ago, Torchwood said:

I'm not sure what strangling regulation you're referring to (i'd like to hear which regulations you don't like)

Can’t recycle a teabag, can’t make changes to lorries to improve safety for cyclists because France is opposed, limiting the power for vacuum cleaners so you can’t manufacture a better product than a European competitor. Really can’t remember all the different things I read in 2016 on this very site but there are books full of rules ensuring mediocrity and stupidity.

i still don’t believe you about racism being the driving force people you know voted brexit. You’re either lying or everyone you know is an under educated moron.

Edited September 7, 2019 by OverSword

[+OverSword]

17 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Fair is fair. Leave won the referendum. The result should be implemented. Even if it is economic suicide.   

It won’t be, although there will no doubt be an initial economic slowdown while things work themselves out.

[+OverSword]

17 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Well, I note that only one person made any reply to my wondering as to what Borish Johns as prime minister, assuming he remains as such for any significant length of time, might mean. And apparently the only answer is that until the miracle of Brexit happens, then normal politics and such things as policies and any plans for anything at all don't really matter. This doesn't, however, answer my question as to what happens after the miracle of Brexit; will Brexit simply solve everything and once Britons (or Englishmen) are Free, then somehow all the pressing issues will all solve themselves? What are you hoping for once the miracle of Brexit has happened? The last few pages in this thread seem to have wandered off again into other byways about Turkey and Saddam Hussein, from what I can make of it.  

I don’t think anyone ever expected brexit to be some kind of cure all. England is an economic powerhouse on its own and imo brexit has removed it from bureaucratically imposed mediocrity.

As I pointed out earlier, there are EU regulations that stifle innovation and competition. Who knows what kind of product development may now happen that under EU regulations may have been forbidden because it would affect sales of a similar product manufactured in Greece negatively. And of course it is much more nuanced and that is a very basic example. There are other things such as agricultural prices being set to protect growers in other countries from having to compete if you are able to sell cheaper than they are, or your fishing fleets being limited the same way.

[Torchwood]

6 hours ago, OverSword said:

CAN  recycle a teabag, CAN make changes to lorries to improve safety for cyclists despite UK being opposed, limiting the power consumption of vacuum cleaners so you HAVE TO manufacture a More Efficient Product. Really can’t remember all the different things I read in 2016 on this very site but there are books full of rules ensuring mediocrity and stupidity.

i still don’t believe you about racism being the driving force people you know voted brexit. You’re either lying or everyone you know is an under educated moron.

Fixed that for you...your version was so inaccurate you are either lying or an uneducated moron. 

 

6 hours ago, OverSword said:

I don’t think anyone ever expected brexit to be some kind of cure all.

Of course the people that bought it don't think that , thats simply what it was sold as! Thats why so many people bought it, and now they can't all have what they think they've won. 

 

My question is when people see that Brexit fails to deliver on its "promises" who do the people turn on?  I can only hope its the people that sold them the lie..bu they could well be the ones in power then.

[hetrodoxly]

37 minutes ago, Torchwood said:

Of course the people that bought it don't think that , thats simply what it was sold as! Thats why so many people bought it, and now they can't all have what they think they've won. 

Utter nonsense and a complete lie, we were told by the government the sky would fall in, mass unemployment would incur the day after the vote, it would take many years for us to recover etc, the prime minister stood outside No10 with the cameras of the world on him stating it would mean leaving the customs union and goods services there'd be no 'going back' and so did the pamphlet delivered to every house stating the government 'would honour the vote' like the vast majority of Brexiteers i worried, pondered and thought on how i should vote because of all the scare stories, i came to the conclusion money isn't everything, thousands if not millions died to give us the right to self determination, i don't want to be part of a huge empire, while we've been part of the EU the rich have got richer and the the poor have gone in the opposite direction, vast armies of cheap worker drones have been created to be exploited by big business have been created by the EU overlords, at least this time we could bring some of the wealth outside the M25 but you and your ilk have been fooled by champagne socialists the bane of the working class, if we don't leave the EU on what we voted for, make our own trade deals, take back control of our borders and make our own laws democracies died. 

[stevewinn]

12 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

No steve the only fool is inflexible one gear Boris Johnson. Boris has painted himself into a corner. Why would any politician do so by staking his premiership on leaving on a certain date when he didn't have the numbers, especially when he'd rather remove MP's and potential party allies for his the 31 October leave date instead of compromise with them. 

Have no illusions Labour and the remainers are in charge of the UK. Boris is just a useful tool to galvanise support for the EU. The more he cry's for an election to get outta the trap the more they will deny him. Boris and leave will look foolish and ineffective and the public will lose faith in No-Deal. But it doesn't end there either... after the 31st has come and gone, new elections and an extension will lay the ground work for a NEW referendum. and it will be done with the blessing of the EU.  

 

 

What happens if in these new elections a majority Govt made up of Tory's wins, IE: Boris. why would he offer a losers Referendum when he's trying to get through the result of the first and has the backing of the population to do so.