stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #626 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just now, RAyMO said: I agree with your point, I was merely saying that if we had a true remain parliament - they'd simply revoke article 50. However, doubt labour would have the courage to go full remain in the elections surely the remain parliament would have to hold referendum before revoking. if not out of principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted September 8, 2019 #627 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: They’ll just fish there illegally. Problem is that British fishermen are already fishing illegally because of the strict EU regulations. I know a harbour close to my home town which does some dodgy dealings at night. The harbour lights are turned off deliberately and after a series of flashing torch lights the British fishing boats come in. The council recently installed better lights, and also 4 security cameras just to catch the fishermen. I believe they would not take such risks if the EU pressure (restricted quotas) against them was lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted September 8, 2019 #628 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, stevewinn said: surely the remain parliament would have to hold referendum before revoking. if not out of principle. Why would it need to if the parties were explicit as to their intentions, should they win a GE. A GE should always trump a referendum. Its an academic point anyway as Labour will not stand as out and out remain - but fudge it - get a deal and then have a referendum arguing against that deal. CRAZY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 8, 2019 #629 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, stevewinn said: Send the Navy and impound any illegal vessel. with the fine to be paid or the boat goes to auction to the highest bidder, im sure there will be a few British Fishermen looking to increase their fleet size to help catch their quota. It will be literally the first bargaining piece on the table to trade with the EU. “Stop impounding boats or no deal”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted September 8, 2019 #630 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said: Problem is that British fishermen are already fishing illegally because of the strict EU regulations. I know a harbour close to my home town which does some dodgy dealings at night. The harbour lights are turned off deliberately and after a series of flashing torch lights the British fishing boats come in. The council recently installed better lights, and also 4 security cameras just to catch the fishermen. I believe they would not take such risks if the EU pressure (restricted quotas) against them was lifted. The fisheries question is not as clear cut as some would think. There would still need to agreement with international parties about who can fish where, and where fish can be offloaded for sale. A no deal would not necessarily be good for Fishermen either. https://infacts.org/better-deal-uk-fishermen-will-hard-catch/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted September 8, 2019 #631 Share Posted September 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, RAyMO said: that's interesting - so in this model Brexit is not about free trade but protectionism Not as strict as a protection racket. If any non-British ship wants to fish or sail through UK waters, or dock at any UK port, then a small fee should be added to those shipping / fishing companies, and patrol vessels should be used to surveillance and have the power to have illegal vessels towed and impounded in order to deter others from similar illegal activity post-Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #632 Share Posted September 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, RAyMO said: that's interesting - so in this model Brexit is not about free trade but protectionism its called enterprise the rights to fish are separate from the product (Fish) being sold tariff/or tariff free. and i do believe the poster was talking about the rights to fish in British waters. or as you should look at them exclusive British economic Zone. were 80% of the fish in Europe are caught in British waters, there is indeed money to be made, help pay for NHS etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted September 8, 2019 #633 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said: Not as strict as a protection racket. If any non-British ship wants to fish or sail through UK waters, or dock at any UK port, then a small fee should be added to those shipping / fishing companies, and patrol vessels should be used to surveillance and have the power to have illegal vessels towed and impounded in order to deter others from similar illegal activity post-Brexit. Protectionism is the economic policy of restricting imports from other countries through methods such as tariffs on imported goods, import quotas, and a variety of other government regulations.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #634 Share Posted September 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: It will be literally the first bargaining piece on the table to trade with the EU. “Stop impounding boats or no deal”. Stop violating British waters and the boats wont be impounded. (UK to EU) now lets talk about getting your fishermen back into work........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted September 8, 2019 #635 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just imagine...all this chaos wouldn't have happened if we just remained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #636 Share Posted September 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said: Just imagine...all this chaos wouldn't have happened if we just remained. open your front door do you see chaos. me neither. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted September 8, 2019 #637 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, stevewinn said: open your front door do you see chaos. me neither. Oh please. It's not like it's going all tiggity boo is it? Bozo the clown has got a clue what he's doing and has lost control of the government. **** load of his own MPs have resigned or been sacked. There is still no plan in place for....well anything. 3 years to worth this mess out and nada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted September 8, 2019 #638 Share Posted September 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said: Just imagine...all this chaos wouldn't have happened if we just remained. If the whole country had accepted the result of the referendum, if quislings hadn't give succour to the EU trying to sabotage the vote we'd already have a great deal in place that suited all parties. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted September 8, 2019 #639 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said: Oh please. It's not like it's going all tiggity boo is it? Bozo the clown has got a clue what he's doing and has lost control of the government. **** load of his own MPs have resigned or been sacked. There is still no plan in place for....well anything. 3 years to worth this mess out and nada. The only reason there's no plan in place is because remainers have used every trick in the book to scupper it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted September 8, 2019 #640 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: If the whole country had accepted the result of the referendum, if quislings hadn't give succour to the EU trying to sabotage the vote we'd already have a great deal in place that suited all parties. The Germans cannot be happy at our weak pound. It means our manufacturing exports increase while theirs decrease. Help us Germany, help us get out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49342012 From June 2018 to June 2019 German exports shrank 8% https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2019/08/PE19_298_51.html Edited September 8, 2019 by RabidMongoose 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #641 Share Posted September 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said: Oh please. It's not like it's going all tiggity boo is it? Bozo the clown has got a clue what he's doing and has lost control of the government. **** load of his own MPs have resigned or been sacked. There is still no plan in place for....well anything. 3 years to worth this mess out and nada. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Please, So you opened your front door and looked out No Chaos. So you want to move on from your absurd comment, okay. Seeing as you don't live in Westminster Village. The fun and games played out in Parliament is not reflected in the Country as you witnessed when you opened your door. Tickety boo. Everyone is ready to leave on the 31st October. and there is no excuse NOT to be ready. 3 years to prepare. On Boris, Finally we have a leader, clearing the decks of all those rebels in his party, sacked 23 of them, His Brother resigned and is leaving politics altogether. and the other resignation is Amber Rudd, who lets be honest is no political heavyweight and who shouldn't have been in the cabinet in the first place, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Please remember this is the woman who said No Deal would be a disaster then signed up to No Deal and said proroguing Parliament would be appalling then signed up to prorogation and said she wouldn’t even let Johnson drive her home then joined his government, now has integrity and her resignation should be taken seriously. c'mon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted September 8, 2019 #642 Share Posted September 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: If the whole country had accepted the result of the referendum, if quislings hadn't give succour to the EU trying to sabotage the vote we'd already have a great deal in place that suited all parties. Equally if you'd never had a referendum based entirely on lies and had just accepted that we are part of the EU none of this would have happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #643 Share Posted September 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: The Germans cannot be happy at our weak pound. It means our manufacturing exports increase while theirs decrease. Help us Germany, help us get out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49342012 From June 2018 to June 2019 German exports shrank 8% https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2019/08/PE19_298_51.html BUT don't worry Brexit will hurt us more than them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #644 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Setton said: Equally if you'd never had a referendum based entirely on lies and had just accepted that we are part of the EU none of this would have happened. why are you talking about 1975 referendum. Edited September 8, 2019 by stevewinn 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #645 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) I brought you the BREAKING NEWS earlier. a source Remoaners Left out to Dry. Where do they turn now, im sure they'd have agreed to a further Delay for an Election but your lot turned this offer from Boris down. Edited September 8, 2019 by stevewinn 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #646 Share Posted September 8, 2019 IS this Why Boris come back punching the air after meeting President Macron? he knew they'd veto any extension. After all im sure Boris pointed out to the French that with Britain out of the way, Germany will lose its blocking majority in the EU. putting France in the driving seat of the EU. achieving what the EU was to do but failed and then what the Euro was meant to achieve. a Europe NOT dominated by Germany) hell of a prize for the French to let pass by. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted September 8, 2019 #647 Share Posted September 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, stevewinn said: I brought you the BREAKING NEWS earlier. a source Remoaners Left out to Dry. Where do they turn now, im sure they'd have agreed to a further Delay for an Election but your lot turned this offer from Boris down. We'll see. Sooner or later you'll run out of straws to clutch at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted September 8, 2019 #648 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Setton said: We'll see. Sooner or later you'll run out of straws to clutch at. Like you running out of time. Tick tock. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted September 8, 2019 #649 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Related news... "Boris Johnson could go to prison if he refuses to follow Brexit delay law, former attorney general says." Full report at the iNews UK: https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/boris-johnson-could-go-to-prison-if-he-refuses-to-follow-brexit-delay-law-former-attorney-general-says/ "The former director of public prosecutions for England and Wales said Saturday that United Kingdom Prime Minister Boris Johnson could face imprisonment for refusing to delay Britain's exit from the European Union." At The Hill US: https://thehill.com/policy/international/460405-ex-prosecutions-chief-says-boris-johnson-could-go-to-prison-for-refusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted September 8, 2019 #650 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Question - The Tory Party narrowly held onto power during the 2017 General election thanks to the DUP seats supporting it. So what happens if the DUP withdrawal their support? Will that force an early General election? If the DUP find no confidence in the government will that force the collapse of the sitting government and enable an early General election? Edited September 8, 2019 by Aaron2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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