Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[stevewinn]

quiet goes @Setton hopefully for the rest of the day

Well since Macron said he would reject an application unless there was an election or a referendum. That would have had have had to have been before the 17th October-to take him at his word ( for what that's worth). It's Parliament who haven't listened and now they've walked into tank trap of the first order; which that they've ordered the PM to comply with a request for an extension they won't get. The concept of an election now is academic because we now leave on the 31st October. But they really should have let Boris have his election when he wanted it. What they have really guaranteed is no deal. well done.

Go on Boris my son. stick it to them.

 

 

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

Question - The Tory Party narrowly held onto power during the 2017 General election thanks to the DUP seats supporting it.  So what happens if the DUP withdrawal their support?  Will that force an early General election?  If the DUP find no confidence in the government will that force the collapse of the sitting government and enable an early General election?

 

 

The Govts majority is 0 at present. even if the DUP pull support No confidence would have to be called by the official opposition Labour/Corbyn. and seeing how they don't fancy being wiped out they don't want an election.

[RAyMO]

5 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

Question - The Tory Party narrowly held onto power during the 2017 General election thanks to the DUP seats supporting it.  So what happens if the DUP withdrawal their support?  Will that force an early General election?  If the DUP find no confidence in the government will that force the collapse of the sitting government and enable an early General election?

 

 

Interesting thought. But I think, and I could be wrong but, the DUP could withdraw support and put down a motion of no confidence, but I believe the Speaker is not compelled to call it to a vote. DUP not being HM Opposition.

However, its still unlikely that it would have the numbers to pass even if it was called.

Withdrawing their support on its own wouldn't really have any effect as, even with the DUP, we officially have a minority government

[hetrodoxly]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Equally if you'd never had a referendum based entirely on lies and had just accepted that we are part of the EU none of this would have happened. 

Yes there were lies from the government but they never materialised, the sky never fell in. 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Like you running out of time.

Tick tock.

To start with, your desperation was cute. Now it's just sad. 

56 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

quiet goes @Setton hopefully for the rest of the day

No, Setton just has a life beyond your little fantasies as you cry over your broken dreams. 

I suggest you try it too. 

[Setton]

6 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

Yes there were lies from the government but they never materialised, the sky never fell in. 

The leave side, by contrast, was a bastion of truth of course... 

Slight difference between inaccurate predictions and the outright lies your side continue to deal in. 

[RAyMO]

1 hour ago, hetrodoxly said:

Yes there were lies from the government but they never materialised, the sky never fell in. 

We haven't left and the govt, even before the markets opened the day after the referendum made it clear that brexit would be pushed as far down the line as possible, hence the predictions not coming to bear at that time.

Even so, whilst not even left, brexit has cost:

at april  2019: Standard & Poor : Brexit has cost the British economy £66bn in just under three years, or around £1,000 for every person in the country.

at may 18: Bank of England boss Mark Carney,  told MPs that Brexit has already cost the UK economy £40bn. 

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by RAyMO

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[+OverSword]

10 hours ago, Torchwood said:

Fixed that for you...your version was so inaccurate you are either lying or an uneducated moron. 

Fixed all of those without checking huh? Who needs facts. Not a remoaner. No facts required that’s why you lied about racism, emotions don’t care about facts.

Edited September 8, 2019 by OverSword

[hetrodoxly]

3 hours ago, Setton said:

The leave side, by contrast, was a bastion of truth of course... 

Slight difference between inaccurate predictions and the outright lies your side continue to deal in. 

There was no my side, i listened to project fear from your side.

[hetrodoxly]

2 hours ago, RAyMO said:

We haven't left and the govt, even before the markets opened the day after the referendum made it clear that brexit would be pushed as far down the line as possible, hence the predictions not coming to bear at that time.

Even so, whilst not even left, brexit has cost:

at april  2019: Standard & Poor : Brexit has cost the British economy £66bn in just under three years, or around £1,000 for every person in the country.

at may 18: Bank of England boss Mark Carney,  told MPs that Brexit has already cost the UK economy £40bn. 

 

 

 

If it's all about money can you guarantee our economy will only get better if we are forced to stay in the EU?  

[+OverSword]

8 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

The days of ousting the reminders are well and truly over. Half his parliamentary colleagues are remainers. 

Here’s the big problem. There was a referendum and the vote was to leave. How can there now be remain mp’s? Once the vote was done the next order of business for any representative worthy of the title should be to ensure that leave happens preferably with trade agreements advantageous to England not undermining that effort. Remain mp’s are basically traitors to their duty as technically there can now be no remaining. Off with their heads. At this point all they are doing is exactly what American politicians specialize in and that is deepening divides.

[+OverSword]

8 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

You voted leave with half the facts. 

That would mean you voted to stay with half the facts. Get over it.

[Torchwood]

24 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Fixed all of those without checking huh? Who needs facts. Not a remoaner. No facts required that’s why you lied about racism, emotions don’t care about facts.

it took about 30 seconds to fact check the one about the lorries...the others I already knew. 

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Here’s the big problem. There was a referendum and the vote was to leave. How can there now be remain mp’s? Once the vote was done the next order of business for any representative worthy of the title should be to ensure that leave happens preferably with trade agreements advantageous to England not undermining that effort. Remain mp’s are basically traitors to their duty as technically there can now be no remaining. Off with their heads. At this point all they are doing is exactly what American politicians specialize in and that is deepening divides.

Correct, leave won. But people and politicians still have strong views on Brexit. Not sure how well you’ve even following Brexit but what the politicians promised is completely different to the reality. 3 years have passed and people are having second thoughts. This is perfectly natural in a democracy. People are allowed to change their minds. The problem is that Brexit has been hijacked by hardcore politicians that don’t believe in leaving with a trade deal. Basically it’s parliaments job to decide what Brexit means. 

You see when the brexiteers deviate from what they promised all he’ll breaks loose. That coupled with the fact that the Brexit vote wasn’t a referendum per se, it was always going to be parliaments to implement. Meaning that all sides were to work together in leaving Europe. This is obviously not happening and those that voted and support remain are justified in pushing back. 

[+OverSword]

26 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Correct, leave won. But people and politicians still have strong views on Brexit. Not sure how well you’ve even following Brexit but what the politicians promised is completely different to the reality. 3 years have passed and people are having second thoughts. This is perfectly natural in a democracy. People are allowed to change their minds. The problem is that Brexit has been hijacked by hardcore politicians that don’t believe in leaving with a trade deal. Basically it’s parliaments job to decide what Brexit means. 

You see when the brexiteers deviate from what they promised all he’ll breaks loose. That coupled with the fact that the Brexit vote wasn’t a referendum per se, it was always going to be parliaments to implement. Meaning that all sides were to work together in leaving Europe. This is obviously not happening and those that voted and support remain are justified in pushing back. 

Yeah, it’s hard to make a deal when no deal is ever going to be good enough for those that were against it to begin with. That’s the real issue in my view. One side will never agree with anything the opposite side works towards, otherwise there would have been some progress. There hasn’t been which is why your backs are against the timeline wall.  After the whole Russiagate farce over here I’m pretty familiar with what happens when one side will never concede but will winge endlessly 

Edited September 8, 2019 by OverSword

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

That would mean you voted to stay with half the facts. Get over it.

Tell you what, the reality of where Brexit is today is closer to remain than leave. 

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Tell you what, the reality of where Brexit is today is closer to remain than leave. 

Your in for a shock then, just like the morning after the referendum. i hope you stick around on the forum.

 

[stevewinn]

 

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[L.A.T.1961]

5 hours ago, RAyMO said:

Even so, whilst not even left, brexit has cost:

at april  2019: Standard & Poor : Brexit has cost the British economy £66bn in just under three years, or around £1,000 for every person in the country.

at may 18: Bank of England boss Mark Carney,  told MPs that Brexit has already cost the UK economy £40bn. 

 

Its worth pointing out that the £66bn figure given by S&P is a guess, as is the BoE number. 

It assumes that the UK would continue on previous growth path but does not include the subsequent real effects of global economic changes. 

It is this lack of counterfactual data, what would have happened to UK economy without brexit but with actual global economic situation, that makes working out the difference impossible.

The numbers are for entertainment value only, or should that be propaganda purposes ... 

 

[TigerBright19]

Anyone agree with this guest?  She says a General election might result in Labour (remain) winning because Leave voters will be split between the Cons and the Brexit Party which will divide up the Leavers vote.  Although the same could be said for Labour voters who want to remain and will vote for the Lib-Dems instead.

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by Aaron2016

[+OverSword]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Tell you what, the reality of where Brexit is today is closer to remain than leave. 

Based on what? Read this thread and you’re in the minority. You and two others are remain vs at least eight exit.

 

[stevewinn]

29 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

Anyone agree with this guest?  She says a General election might result in Labour (remain) winning because Leave voters will be split between the Cons and the Brexit Party which will divide up the Leavers vote.  Although the same could be said for Labour voters who want to remain and will vote for the Lib-Dems instead.

 

 

 

This is why the tories and brexit party will work with one another to stop splitting the vote. 

 

 

In related news. 

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by stevewinn